Finestrg wrote:

Paris907 wrote:If Enes is our second best player then it’s the main reason we are stuck in mediocrity. After the long road trip, many will Be griping. For those who take the time to look at advanced analytics, the combo of KP and Enes is really bad news. As New Yorkers, we love Enes lunch pail hard nose play and he’s glib. Yet the +/- and defense still an issue and he and KP don’t mesh statistically at all

Bonn brings up the same points and although I think there's merit there for sure, I choose to go the other way on him -- I look at the monster game yesterday and see a guy that kept the Knicks in it almost singlehandedly from start to finish (Lee had an impact game, but KP didn't, neither did Beasley who I agree with Briggs--he needs more shots, and still no THJ). I mean 31 & 22 fellas and look at how efficiently he goes about it.. That's insane to me. I can't look at the game he had yesterday, despite what some advanced stats might say, and think he was some kind of detriment out there. Anyone else feeling me on this? I think Kanter can definitely be part of a winning team.

Whatever the numbers say, i'm big on Kanter because his offensive efficiency is great and the amount of extra possessions he gets the Knicks on the offensive boards will be the difference between many wins and losses.

Finestrg wrote:

Paris907 wrote:If Enes is our second best player then it’s the main reason we are stuck in mediocrity. After the long road trip, many will Be griping. For those who take the time to look at advanced analytics, the combo of KP and Enes is really bad news. As New Yorkers, we love Enes lunch pail hard nose play and he’s glib. Yet the +/- and defense still an issue and he and KP don’t mesh statistically at all

Bonn brings up the same points and although I think there's merit there for sure, I choose to go the other way on him -- I look at the monster game yesterday and see a guy that kept the Knicks in it almost singlehandedly from start to finish (Lee had an impact game, but KP didn't, neither did Beasley who I agree with Briggs--he needs more shots, and still no THJ). I mean 31 & 22 fellas and look at how efficiently he goes about it.. That's insane to me. I can't look at the game he had yesterday, despite what some advanced stats might say, and think he was some kind of detriment out there. Anyone else feeling me on this? I think Kanter can definitely be part of a winning team.

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Has not taken long for Kanter to become my favorite Knick on the roster.

MaTT4281 wrote:

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Has not taken long for Kanter to become my favorite Knick on the roster.

Bonn1997 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

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Has not taken long for Kanter to become my favorite Knick on the roster.

Well, every player knows they're supposed to downplay their individual #s and talk about the team.

Some of them make a huge stink about how much they "sacrifice" for the team that's paying them 25 Million a year. I'll take the dude that says "who cares" about my stats.

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I know some people want to deal him because some are obsessed with future draft picks but kanter is great and has earned his keep as part of this core.

Then trade this years pick to get rid of Noah. We need to get a superstar SF in here before Porzingis hits FA so either we need to tank hard or we need to shed salary to offer someone a fat deal

People's obsession with tanking is crazy.

Do u know of a better way to get star players on cost controlled deals? God forbid getting another player like KP at 5 million a year, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo crazy to want that. Look at the core Philly has assembled, we aren't competing with them long-term without a significant upgrade in talent. Tanking is the only way for this team to add the talent needed without giving up multiple role players in the process.

Philly got that core because none of their draft picks could stay healthy. There is usually an uptick in a team's record the following season, after drafting a top lotto pick. Philly never had that because their picks were missing entire seasons, which allowed them (with some luck as well) to keep getting top lotto picks. Not the example to use.

Culture change starts with winning, not losing. Players, FAs, have to see that this franchise isnt a joke anymore. Winning, playoffs, will change that.

Culture change starts with an actual vision and philosophy. The Sixers had "The(ir) Process" but what is the Knicks' vision? What is their philosophy? Because right now our strategy appears to be little more than throwing stuff against the wall and hoping it sticks, which is no different from the losing strategy we've always implored.

The Sixers on the other hand were well oiled-machine: acquiring lottery picks from other teams (i.e. the Pelicans 2013 lottery pick, the Pelicans 2014 lottery pick, the Lakers 2018 lottery pick, the Kings' 2017 and 2019 lottery picks) as well as unearthing assets (e.g. Robert Covington and Richaun Holmes) IN ADDITION to Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons. Give me that over what we're doing any day.

Bonn1997 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

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Has not taken long for Kanter to become my favorite Knick on the roster.

Well, every player knows they're supposed to downplay their individual #s and talk about the team.

(Aside from his play) we can find other quotes that won me over if you prefer.

Said Kanter of the exchange with James: "He's a rookie. You call yourself 'King' or whatever. But you can't just mess with a rookie like that. If you're going to mess with [someone], go mess with the grown men. I'll die for my teammates. Whatever happens, I got my teammates' back because I see this team, this organization, like my family. Nobody is going to mess with it."

You ain’t coming into my house playing that water-bottle-flip game again. You know what I mean? I don’t care who you are. King – what do you call yourself? – King, queen, princess, whatever you are, you know what? We’re going to fight. And nobody out there going to punk us.

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I know some people want to deal him because some are obsessed with future draft picks but kanter is great and has earned his keep as part of this core.

Then trade this years pick to get rid of Noah. We need to get a superstar SF in here before Porzingis hits FA so either we need to tank hard or we need to shed salary to offer someone a fat deal

People's obsession with tanking is crazy.

Do u know of a better way to get star players on cost controlled deals? God forbid getting another player like KP at 5 million a year, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo crazy to want that. Look at the core Philly has assembled, we aren't competing with them long-term without a significant upgrade in talent. Tanking is the only way for this team to add the talent needed without giving up multiple role players in the process.

Philly got that core because none of their draft picks could stay healthy. There is usually an uptick in a team's record the following season, after drafting a top lotto pick. Philly never had that because their picks were missing entire seasons, which allowed them (with some luck as well) to keep getting top lotto picks. Not the example to use.

Culture change starts with winning, not losing. Players, FAs, have to see that this franchise isnt a joke anymore. Winning, playoffs, will change that.

Culture change starts with an actual vision and philosophy. The Sixers had "The(ir) Process" but what is the Knicks' vision? What is their philosophy? Because right now our strategy appears to be little more than throwing stuff against the wall and hoping it sticks, which is no different from the losing strategy we've always implored.

The Sixers on the other hand were well oiled-machine: acquiring lottery picks from other teams (i.e. the Pelicans 2013 lottery pick, the Pelicans 2014 lottery pick, the Lakers 2018 lottery pick, the Kings' 2017 and 2019 lottery picks) as well as unearthing assets (e.g. Robert Covington and Richaun Holmes) IN ADDITION to Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons. Give me that over what we're doing any day.

The fact that you don't understand what the vision is is more indicative of you not paying attention, not what the team is actually doing.

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I know some people want to deal him because some are obsessed with future draft picks but kanter is great and has earned his keep as part of this core.

Then trade this years pick to get rid of Noah. We need to get a superstar SF in here before Porzingis hits FA so either we need to tank hard or we need to shed salary to offer someone a fat deal

People's obsession with tanking is crazy.

Do u know of a better way to get star players on cost controlled deals? God forbid getting another player like KP at 5 million a year, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo crazy to want that. Look at the core Philly has assembled, we aren't competing with them long-term without a significant upgrade in talent. Tanking is the only way for this team to add the talent needed without giving up multiple role players in the process.

Philly got that core because none of their draft picks could stay healthy. There is usually an uptick in a team's record the following season, after drafting a top lotto pick. Philly never had that because their picks were missing entire seasons, which allowed them (with some luck as well) to keep getting top lotto picks. Not the example to use.

Culture change starts with winning, not losing. Players, FAs, have to see that this franchise isnt a joke anymore. Winning, playoffs, will change that.

Culture change starts with an actual vision and philosophy. The Sixers had "The(ir) Process" but what is the Knicks' vision? What is their philosophy? Because right now our strategy appears to be little more than throwing stuff against the wall and hoping it sticks, which is no different from the losing strategy we've always implored.

The Sixers on the other hand were well oiled-machine: acquiring lottery picks from other teams (i.e. the Pelicans 2013 lottery pick, the Pelicans 2014 lottery pick, the Lakers 2018 lottery pick, the Kings' 2017 and 2019 lottery picks) as well as unearthing assets (e.g. Robert Covington and Richaun Holmes) IN ADDITION to Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons. Give me that over what we're doing any day.

Perry's success model is going to be what he did with Dumar's Pistons. You might see a Rip Hamilton but he's going to look to build a long strong team that can shut you down. Pistons won a title. Was it via tanking? What team tanked their way to a title?

martin wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I know some people want to deal him because some are obsessed with future draft picks but kanter is great and has earned his keep as part of this core.

Then trade this years pick to get rid of Noah. We need to get a superstar SF in here before Porzingis hits FA so either we need to tank hard or we need to shed salary to offer someone a fat deal

People's obsession with tanking is crazy.

Do u know of a better way to get star players on cost controlled deals? God forbid getting another player like KP at 5 million a year, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo crazy to want that. Look at the core Philly has assembled, we aren't competing with them long-term without a significant upgrade in talent. Tanking is the only way for this team to add the talent needed without giving up multiple role players in the process.

Philly got that core because none of their draft picks could stay healthy. There is usually an uptick in a team's record the following season, after drafting a top lotto pick. Philly never had that because their picks were missing entire seasons, which allowed them (with some luck as well) to keep getting top lotto picks. Not the example to use.

Culture change starts with winning, not losing. Players, FAs, have to see that this franchise isnt a joke anymore. Winning, playoffs, will change that.

Culture change starts with an actual vision and philosophy. The Sixers had "The(ir) Process" but what is the Knicks' vision? What is their philosophy? Because right now our strategy appears to be little more than throwing stuff against the wall and hoping it sticks, which is no different from the losing strategy we've always implored.

The Sixers on the other hand were well oiled-machine: acquiring lottery picks from other teams (i.e. the Pelicans 2013 lottery pick, the Pelicans 2014 lottery pick, the Lakers 2018 lottery pick, the Kings' 2017 and 2019 lottery picks) as well as unearthing assets (e.g. Robert Covington and Richaun Holmes) IN ADDITION to Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons. Give me that over what we're doing any day.

The fact that you don't understand what the vision is is more indicative of you not paying attention, not what the team is actually doing.

Then articulate the vision for all of us that's blind to what is going on.

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I know some people want to deal him because some are obsessed with future draft picks but kanter is great and has earned his keep as part of this core.

Then trade this years pick to get rid of Noah. We need to get a superstar SF in here before Porzingis hits FA so either we need to tank hard or we need to shed salary to offer someone a fat deal

People's obsession with tanking is crazy.

Do u know of a better way to get star players on cost controlled deals? God forbid getting another player like KP at 5 million a year, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo crazy to want that. Look at the core Philly has assembled, we aren't competing with them long-term without a significant upgrade in talent. Tanking is the only way for this team to add the talent needed without giving up multiple role players in the process.

Philly got that core because none of their draft picks could stay healthy. There is usually an uptick in a team's record the following season, after drafting a top lotto pick. Philly never had that because their picks were missing entire seasons, which allowed them (with some luck as well) to keep getting top lotto picks. Not the example to use.

Culture change starts with winning, not losing. Players, FAs, have to see that this franchise isnt a joke anymore. Winning, playoffs, will change that.

Culture change starts with an actual vision and philosophy. The Sixers had "The(ir) Process" but what is the Knicks' vision? What is their philosophy? Because right now our strategy appears to be little more than throwing stuff against the wall and hoping it sticks, which is no different from the losing strategy we've always implored.

The Sixers on the other hand were well oiled-machine: acquiring lottery picks from other teams (i.e. the Pelicans 2013 lottery pick, the Pelicans 2014 lottery pick, the Lakers 2018 lottery pick, the Kings' 2017 and 2019 lottery picks) as well as unearthing assets (e.g. Robert Covington and Richaun Holmes) IN ADDITION to Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons. Give me that over what we're doing any day.

NardDogNation... what is was your expectation? Jmpasq would have traded KP for picks and just started over. Phili has been terrible. You covet Embiid? My god.. imagine if the Knick had signed him to that contract after playing 30 NBA games in 4 years. You would be behind that? Carter Williams, OK4, Noel, Turner... can we PLEASE NOT duplicate anything Phili has done?

Perry's success model is going to be what he did with Dumar's Pistons. You might see a Rip Hamilton but he's going to look to build a long strong team that can shut you down. Pistons won a title. Was it via tanking? What team tanked their way to a title?