EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Guys - we can't trade for every player in the NBA. This is what Frank and Ron are doing together

When Baker and Ntilikina are both on the court, New York ranks in the 96th percentile in defensive rating, the 97th percentile in defensive eFG%, and the 98th percentage in defensive turnover percentage.

Why in the blue hell would we change that?

Cuz they can't score. Their defense is so good that Kyrie still dropped 31 on them. I don't want to devalue them cuz I'm really not im just putting this obsession with meaningless stats to rest. We're not going to win a game by not scoring and only playing defense. Good offense always beats good defense more times than not. We do need their presence at times to get stops when we need to. By adding another skill player that doesn't eliminate the minutes Baker and Frank play. They keep their same roles.... but having the luxury of an extra skill guy, that takes us from where we are to legit playoff team.

I don't buy that argument. They can score and they are scoring at clutch moments to turn games around for us. These two are not supposed to be the primary scorers on the team is not their role. They are playing behind KP, THJR, Enes'and even Beas. So what is this infatuation with scoring and why should we trade our depth which maybe one of the bettrr benches in the NBA for a good player who will then make our most expensive player (THJR) redundant?

Because teams that beat us have that extra offensive player. Teams that are better than us have that extra scorer. Golden state didn't say nah why would we get Durant?... we need a defender to guard LeBron? Did the Boston Celtics think they needed to stay the same? No they traded three of their better players and revamped. They signed an offensive player and drafted a kid that plays the same position....

But no.... losers like us want to know why we are trading for tyreke Evans when we have guys like Baker. It's laughable. Do we want to win or not?

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Guys - we can't trade for every player in the NBA. This is what Frank and Ron are doing together

When Baker and Ntilikina are both on the court, New York ranks in the 96th percentile in defensive rating, the 97th percentile in defensive eFG%, and the 98th percentage in defensive turnover percentage.

Why in the blue hell would we change that?

Cuz they can't score. Their defense is so good that Kyrie still dropped 31 on them. I don't want to devalue them cuz I'm really not im just putting this obsession with meaningless stats to rest. We're not going to win a game by not scoring and only playing defense. Good offense always beats good defense more times than not. We do need their presence at times to get stops when we need to. By adding another skill player that doesn't eliminate the minutes Baker and Frank play. They keep their same roles.... but having the luxury of an extra skill guy, that takes us from where we are to legit playoff team.

I don't buy that argument. They can score and they are scoring at clutch moments to turn games around for us. These two are not supposed to be the primary scorers on the team is not their role. They are playing behind KP, THJR, Enes'and even Beas. So what is this infatuation with scoring and why should we trade our depth which maybe one of the bettrr benches in the NBA for a good player who will then make our most expensive player (THJR) redundant?

Because teams that beat us have that extra offensive player. Teams that are better than us have that extra scorer. Golden state didn't say nah why would we get Durant... we need a defender to guard LeBron? Did the Boston Celtics think they needed to stay the same? No they traded three of their better players ave revamped. They signed an offensive player and drafted a kid that plays the same position....

But no.... losers like us want to know why we are trading for tyreke Evans even we have guys like Baker. It's laughable. Do we wasn't to win or not?

Kevin Durant is your example to justify a trade for Tyreke Eveans? Kevin Durant? That's your comparison? And a free agent signing at that. As opposed to breaking up a young team that's just started to grow together. Kevin Durant makes Golden State a lock to win the next three championships, what does Tyreke Evans do for us? Oh yeah we need to rack up those first round exits.
This type of reasoning based on anecdotal evidence from teams in completely different situations in kinda lame.

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Guys - we can't trade for every player in the NBA. This is what Frank and Ron are doing together

When Baker and Ntilikina are both on the court, New York ranks in the 96th percentile in defensive rating, the 97th percentile in defensive eFG%, and the 98th percentage in defensive turnover percentage.

Why in the blue hell would we change that?

Cuz they can't score. Their defense is so good that Kyrie still dropped 31 on them. I don't want to devalue them cuz I'm really not im just putting this obsession with meaningless stats to rest. We're not going to win a game by not scoring and only playing defense. Good offense always beats good defense more times than not. We do need their presence at times to get stops when we need to. By adding another skill player that doesn't eliminate the minutes Baker and Frank play. They keep their same roles.... but having the luxury of an extra skill guy, that takes us from where we are to legit playoff team.

I don't buy that argument. They can score and they are scoring at clutch moments to turn games around for us. These two are not supposed to be the primary scorers on the team is not their role. They are playing behind KP, THJR, Enes'and even Beas. So what is this infatuation with scoring and why should we trade our depth which maybe one of the bettrr benches in the NBA for a good player who will then make our most expensive player (THJR) redundant?

Because teams that beat us have that extra offensive player. Teams that are better than us have that extra scorer. Golden state didn't say nah why would we get Durant... we need a defender to guard LeBron? Did the Boston Celtics think they needed to stay the same? No they traded three of their better players ave revamped. They signed an offensive player and drafted a kid that plays the same position....

But no.... losers like us want to know why we are trading for tyreke Evans even we have guys like Baker. It's laughable. Do we wasn't to win or not?

Kevin Durant is your example to justify a trade for Tyreke Eveans? Kevin Durant? That's your comparison? And a free agent signing at that. As opposed to breaking up a young team that's just started to grow together. Kevin Durant makes Golden State a lock to win the next three championships, what does Tyreke Evans do for us? Oh yeah we need to rack up those first round exits.
This type of reasoning based on anecdotal evidence from teams in completely different situations in kinda lame.

i think the point is that your roster is something that is fluid and changes when you have the opportunity to upgrade the talent. The Knicks could use a guy that penetrates and puts pressure on the defense to react. That type of player isn't bad or automatically a drose type. Character guys that play defense and have moxie are always good and a positive part of a roster. But having a guy that puts pressure on the defense that can also function as a distributor is something good teams have and the Knicks need.

The Knicks have lots of needs that's supposed to happen when you rebuild. Suddenly saying this one thing is the biggest need and we now need to trade assets for a injury prone player makes little sense. We can't focus on empty stats. The ONLY need the Knicks should focus on is TEAM building. You do that the rest will fall in place. You chase magic in a bottle and you get another lost decade of underachieving overpaid misfits who could care less about the team. We are NOT trying to win playoffs right now we are trying to gel and build momentum as a TEAM. You start trading pieces away and you just lose the one thing that can take this team to the next level, chemistry.

What is team building to you? Doing nothing hoping guys get better on their own? First round exits build team character. Making a lateral trade to help the cause is detrimental to team building. Nobody said we need to destroy chemistry with a stupid trade.... only reason I mentioned Tyreke is because he's a basement bargain with super talent. He's not the only player out there. We need to find someone to help our cause

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Guys - we can't trade for every player in the NBA. This is what Frank and Ron are doing together

When Baker and Ntilikina are both on the court, New York ranks in the 96th percentile in defensive rating, the 97th percentile in defensive eFG%, and the 98th percentage in defensive turnover percentage.

Why in the blue hell would we change that?

Cuz they can't score. Their defense is so good that Kyrie still dropped 31 on them. I don't want to devalue them cuz I'm really not im just putting this obsession with meaningless stats to rest. We're not going to win a game by not scoring and only playing defense. Good offense always beats good defense more times than not. We do need their presence at times to get stops when we need to. By adding another skill player that doesn't eliminate the minutes Baker and Frank play. They keep their same roles.... but having the luxury of an extra skill guy, that takes us from where we are to legit playoff team.

I don't buy that argument. They can score and they are scoring at clutch moments to turn games around for us. These two are not supposed to be the primary scorers on the team is not their role. They are playing behind KP, THJR, Enes'and even Beas. So what is this infatuation with scoring and why should we trade our depth which maybe one of the bettrr benches in the NBA for a good player who will then make our most expensive player (THJR) redundant?

Because teams that beat us have that extra offensive player. Teams that are better than us have that extra scorer. Golden state didn't say nah why would we get Durant... we need a defender to guard LeBron? Did the Boston Celtics think they needed to stay the same? No they traded three of their better players ave revamped. They signed an offensive player and drafted a kid that plays the same position....

But no.... losers like us want to know why we are trading for tyreke Evans even we have guys like Baker. It's laughable. Do we wasn't to win or not?

Kevin Durant is your example to justify a trade for Tyreke Eveans? Kevin Durant? That's your comparison? And a free agent signing at that. As opposed to breaking up a young team that's just started to grow together. Kevin Durant makes Golden State a lock to win the next three championships, what does Tyreke Evans do for us? Oh yeah we need to rack up those first round exits.
This type of reasoning based on anecdotal evidence from teams in completely different situations in kinda lame.

i think the point is that your roster is something that is fluid and changes when you have the opportunity to upgrade the talent. The Knicks could use a guy that penetrates and puts pressure on the defense to react. That type of player isn't bad or automatically a drose type. Character guys that play defense and have moxie are always good and a positive part of a roster. But having a guy that puts pressure on the defense that can also function as a distributor is something good teams have and the Knicks need.

The Knicks have lots of needs that's supposed to happen when you rebuild. Suddenly saying this one thing is the biggest need and we now need to trade assets for a injury prone player makes little sense. We can't focus on empty stats. The ONLY need the Knicks should focus on is TEAM building. You do that the rest will fall in place. You chase magic in a bottle and you get another lost decade of underachieving overpaid misfits who could care less about the team. We are NOT trying to win playoffs right now we are trying to gel and build momentum as a TEAM. You start trading pieces away and you just lose the one thing that can take this team to the next level, chemistry.

What is team building to you? Doing nothing hoping guys get better on their own? First round exits build team character. Making a lateral trade to help the cause is detrimental to team building. Nobody said we need to destroy chemistry with a stupid trade.... only reason I mentioned Tyreke is because he's a basement bargain with super talent. He's not the only player out there. We need to find someone to help our cause

Team building is developing chemistry and establishing a culture and yes, Drafting. Trading the pieces away that can help you do that leads to what we saw for twenty years bunch of empty stat padders and no system basketball. Guess we won't agree on this but I have zero interest in trading for Tyreke, if he signs here as an FA great. Don't know when his contract is up. I also had zero interest in signing THJR but now that's water under the bridge Tyreke weird be a poor man's version of him.

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Guys - we can't trade for every player in the NBA. This is what Frank and Ron are doing together

When Baker and Ntilikina are both on the court, New York ranks in the 96th percentile in defensive rating, the 97th percentile in defensive eFG%, and the 98th percentage in defensive turnover percentage.

Why in the blue hell would we change that?

Cuz they can't score. Their defense is so good that Kyrie still dropped 31 on them. I don't want to devalue them cuz I'm really not im just putting this obsession with meaningless stats to rest. We're not going to win a game by not scoring and only playing defense. Good offense always beats good defense more times than not. We do need their presence at times to get stops when we need to. By adding another skill player that doesn't eliminate the minutes Baker and Frank play. They keep their same roles.... but having the luxury of an extra skill guy, that takes us from where we are to legit playoff team.

I don't buy that argument. They can score and they are scoring at clutch moments to turn games around for us. These two are not supposed to be the primary scorers on the team is not their role. They are playing behind KP, THJR, Enes'and even Beas. So what is this infatuation with scoring and why should we trade our depth which maybe one of the bettrr benches in the NBA for a good player who will then make our most expensive player (THJR) redundant?

Because teams that beat us have that extra offensive player. Teams that are better than us have that extra scorer. Golden state didn't say nah why would we get Durant... we need a defender to guard LeBron? Did the Boston Celtics think they needed to stay the same? No they traded three of their better players ave revamped. They signed an offensive player and drafted a kid that plays the same position....

But no.... losers like us want to know why we are trading for tyreke Evans even we have guys like Baker. It's laughable. Do we wasn't to win or not?

Kevin Durant is your example to justify a trade for Tyreke Eveans? Kevin Durant? That's your comparison? And a free agent signing at that. As opposed to breaking up a young team that's just started to grow together. Kevin Durant makes Golden State a lock to win the next three championships, what does Tyreke Evans do for us? Oh yeah we need to rack up those first round exits.
This type of reasoning based on anecdotal evidence from teams in completely different situations in kinda lame.

i think the point is that your roster is something that is fluid and changes when you have the opportunity to upgrade the talent. The Knicks could use a guy that penetrates and puts pressure on the defense to react. That type of player isn't bad or automatically a drose type. Character guys that play defense and have moxie are always good and a positive part of a roster. But having a guy that puts pressure on the defense that can also function as a distributor is something good teams have and the Knicks need.

The Knicks have lots of needs that's supposed to happen when you rebuild. Suddenly saying this one thing is the biggest need and we now need to trade assets for a injury prone player makes little sense. We can't focus on empty stats. The ONLY need the Knicks should focus on is TEAM building. You do that the rest will fall in place. You chase magic in a bottle and you get another lost decade of underachieving overpaid misfits who could care less about the team. We are NOT trying to win playoffs right now we are trying to gel and build momentum as a TEAM. You start trading pieces away and you just lose the one thing that can take this team to the next level, chemistry.

What is team building to you? Doing nothing hoping guys get better on their own? First round exits build team character. Making a lateral trade to help the cause is detrimental to team building. Nobody said we need to destroy chemistry with a stupid trade.... only reason I mentioned Tyreke is because he's a basement bargain with super talent. He's not the only player out there. We need to find someone to help our cause

Team building is developing chemistry and establishing a culture and yes, Drafting. Trading the pieces away that can help you do that leads to what we saw for twenty years bunch of empty stat padders and no system basketball. Guess we won't agree on this but I have zero interest in trading for Tyreke, if he signs here as an FA great. Don't know when his contract is up. I also had zero interest in signing THJR but now that's water under the bridge Tyreke weird be a poor man's version of him.

It's not like were talking about trying to get someone over priced. We're taking about a player that makes less than Baker. Who's stat padding making league minimum? I think you are arguing just to argue. If we could get a cheap lateral move gong that helps us out we need to do it.

The argument isn't about Tyreke - it's about what you would have to trade in order to get him and what that would mean to the team chemistry. Who would you trade for him?

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Guys - we can't trade for every player in the NBA. This is what Frank and Ron are doing together

When Baker and Ntilikina are both on the court, New York ranks in the 96th percentile in defensive rating, the 97th percentile in defensive eFG%, and the 98th percentage in defensive turnover percentage.

Why in the blue hell would we change that?

Cuz they can't score. Their defense is so good that Kyrie still dropped 31 on them. I don't want to devalue them cuz I'm really not im just putting this obsession with meaningless stats to rest. We're not going to win a game by not scoring and only playing defense. Good offense always beats good defense more times than not. We do need their presence at times to get stops when we need to. By adding another skill player that doesn't eliminate the minutes Baker and Frank play. They keep their same roles.... but having the luxury of an extra skill guy, that takes us from where we are to legit playoff team.

I don't buy that argument. They can score and they are scoring at clutch moments to turn games around for us. These two are not supposed to be the primary scorers on the team is not their role. They are playing behind KP, THJR, Enes'and even Beas. So what is this infatuation with scoring and why should we trade our depth which maybe one of the bettrr benches in the NBA for a good player who will then make our most expensive player (THJR) redundant?

Because teams that beat us have that extra offensive player. Teams that are better than us have that extra scorer. Golden state didn't say nah why would we get Durant... we need a defender to guard LeBron? Did the Boston Celtics think they needed to stay the same? No they traded three of their better players ave revamped. They signed an offensive player and drafted a kid that plays the same position....

But no.... losers like us want to know why we are trading for tyreke Evans even we have guys like Baker. It's laughable. Do we wasn't to win or not?

Kevin Durant is your example to justify a trade for Tyreke Eveans? Kevin Durant? That's your comparison? And a free agent signing at that. As opposed to breaking up a young team that's just started to grow together. Kevin Durant makes Golden State a lock to win the next three championships, what does Tyreke Evans do for us? Oh yeah we need to rack up those first round exits.
This type of reasoning based on anecdotal evidence from teams in completely different situations in kinda lame.

i think the point is that your roster is something that is fluid and changes when you have the opportunity to upgrade the talent. The Knicks could use a guy that penetrates and puts pressure on the defense to react. That type of player isn't bad or automatically a drose type. Character guys that play defense and have moxie are always good and a positive part of a roster. But having a guy that puts pressure on the defense that can also function as a distributor is something good teams have and the Knicks need.

The Knicks have lots of needs that's supposed to happen when you rebuild. Suddenly saying this one thing is the biggest need and we now need to trade assets for a injury prone player makes little sense. We can't focus on empty stats. The ONLY need the Knicks should focus on is TEAM building. You do that the rest will fall in place. You chase magic in a bottle and you get another lost decade of underachieving overpaid misfits who could care less about the team. We are NOT trying to win playoffs right now we are trying to gel and build momentum as a TEAM. You start trading pieces away and you just lose the one thing that can take this team to the next level, chemistry.

What is team building to you? Doing nothing hoping guys get better on their own? First round exits build team character. Making a lateral trade to help the cause is detrimental to team building. Nobody said we need to destroy chemistry with a stupid trade.... only reason I mentioned Tyreke is because he's a basement bargain with super talent. He's not the only player out there. We need to find someone to help our cause

Team building is developing chemistry and establishing a culture and yes, Drafting. Trading the pieces away that can help you do that leads to what we saw for twenty years bunch of empty stat padders and no system basketball. Guess we won't agree on this but I have zero interest in trading for Tyreke, if he signs here as an FA great. Don't know when his contract is up. I also had zero interest in signing THJR but now that's water under the bridge Tyreke weird be a poor man's version of him.

It's not like were talking about trying to get someone over priced. We're taking about a player that makes less than Baker. Who's stat padding making league minimum? I think you are arguing just to argue. If we could get a cheap lateral move gong that helps us out we need to do it.

The argument isn't about Tyreke - it's about what you would have to trade in order to get him and what that would mean to the team chemistry. Who would you trade for him?

We haven't gotten that far cuz of this meaningless arguement.... Tyreke makes just aboot the minimum. We're not trading Kristaps for him or any of our rotation guys that's for sure. Willy and Sessions is all I had in mind. A second rounder for Tyreke? I mean it's not something ground breaking. The guy makes the minimum!

SupremeCommander wrote:I don't see how Tyreke Evans is an ideal fit. He scores and attacks the rim. He does not shoot or pass particularly well. Yes, he as an upgrade over what we currently have. But Rose has a similar game to Evans and that did not work out at all here

Not the same player.... rose might not even want to play anymore. Rose can't shot and refused to pass all together.

Tyreke plays 3 positions including running the point. Can shoot it now..... clearly not similiar to Rose at all

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Guys - we can't trade for every player in the NBA. This is what Frank and Ron are doing together

When Baker and Ntilikina are both on the court, New York ranks in the 96th percentile in defensive rating, the 97th percentile in defensive eFG%, and the 98th percentage in defensive turnover percentage.

Why in the blue hell would we change that?

Cuz they can't score. Their defense is so good that Kyrie still dropped 31 on them. I don't want to devalue them cuz I'm really not im just putting this obsession with meaningless stats to rest. We're not going to win a game by not scoring and only playing defense. Good offense always beats good defense more times than not. We do need their presence at times to get stops when we need to. By adding another skill player that doesn't eliminate the minutes Baker and Frank play. They keep their same roles.... but having the luxury of an extra skill guy, that takes us from where we are to legit playoff team.

I don't buy that argument. They can score and they are scoring at clutch moments to turn games around for us. These two are not supposed to be the primary scorers on the team is not their role. They are playing behind KP, THJR, Enes'and even Beas. So what is this infatuation with scoring and why should we trade our depth which maybe one of the bettrr benches in the NBA for a good player who will then make our most expensive player (THJR) redundant?

Because teams that beat us have that extra offensive player. Teams that are better than us have that extra scorer. Golden state didn't say nah why would we get Durant... we need a defender to guard LeBron? Did the Boston Celtics think they needed to stay the same? No they traded three of their better players ave revamped. They signed an offensive player and drafted a kid that plays the same position....

But no.... losers like us want to know why we are trading for tyreke Evans even we have guys like Baker. It's laughable. Do we wasn't to win or not?

Kevin Durant is your example to justify a trade for Tyreke Eveans? Kevin Durant? That's your comparison? And a free agent signing at that. As opposed to breaking up a young team that's just started to grow together. Kevin Durant makes Golden State a lock to win the next three championships, what does Tyreke Evans do for us? Oh yeah we need to rack up those first round exits.
This type of reasoning based on anecdotal evidence from teams in completely different situations in kinda lame.

i think the point is that your roster is something that is fluid and changes when you have the opportunity to upgrade the talent. The Knicks could use a guy that penetrates and puts pressure on the defense to react. That type of player isn't bad or automatically a drose type. Character guys that play defense and have moxie are always good and a positive part of a roster. But having a guy that puts pressure on the defense that can also function as a distributor is something good teams have and the Knicks need.

The Knicks have lots of needs that's supposed to happen when you rebuild. Suddenly saying this one thing is the biggest need and we now need to trade assets for a injury prone player makes little sense. We can't focus on empty stats. The ONLY need the Knicks should focus on is TEAM building. You do that the rest will fall in place. You chase magic in a bottle and you get another lost decade of underachieving overpaid misfits who could care less about the team. We are NOT trying to win playoffs right now we are trying to gel and build momentum as a TEAM. You start trading pieces away and you just lose the one thing that can take this team to the next level, chemistry.

What is team building to you? Doing nothing hoping guys get better on their own? First round exits build team character. Making a lateral trade to help the cause is detrimental to team building. Nobody said we need to destroy chemistry with a stupid trade.... only reason I mentioned Tyreke is because he's a basement bargain with super talent. He's not the only player out there. We need to find someone to help our cause

Team building is developing chemistry and establishing a culture and yes, Drafting. Trading the pieces away that can help you do that leads to what we saw for twenty years bunch of empty stat padders and no system basketball. Guess we won't agree on this but I have zero interest in trading for Tyreke, if he signs here as an FA great. Don't know when his contract is up. I also had zero interest in signing THJR but now that's water under the bridge Tyreke weird be a poor man's version of him.

It's not like were talking about trying to get someone over priced. We're taking about a player that makes less than Baker. Who's stat padding making league minimum? I think you are arguing just to argue. If we could get a cheap lateral move gong that helps us out we need to do it.

The argument isn't about Tyreke - it's about what you would have to trade in order to get him and what that would mean to the team chemistry. Who would you trade for him?

We haven't gotten that far cuz of this meaningless arguement.... Tyreke makes just aboot the minimum. We're not trading Kristaps for him or any of our rotation guys that's for sure. Willy and Sessions is all I had in mind. A second rounder for Tyreke? I mean it's not something ground breaking. The guy makes the minimum!

My bad I thought you were talking about trading Ron or Jack. Going back and reading - I don't know why. I would trade Sessions and a second rounder but probably not Willy. I think it's a risk to have KP upset over his homey being traded and Willy literally costs us nothing. People I am willing to trade (not just for Tyreke) are KOQ, Sessions and Lance. Tyreke is a plus player so that helps, but he will be behind THJR and Lee at both SF and SG. He will eat minutes from Frank and Ron at PG. I would be a lot more excited if he was a true SF, but he is an SG who can also play PG and SF. He is the same value (and almost equal salaries) as Lee with added PG play. Like Lee he won't be a game changer - neither will Sessions or the average second rounder. I want to see if Willy can make a comeback next season or not - I feel it's too early to write him off.