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nixluva
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12/18/2017 6:57 PM
CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.From Porzingis, You’re spouting stats as if you weren’t witnessing what was going on. The fact is THERE IS NO KP if not for the actions of Phil which were purposefully disruptive! He came in to CHANGE this franchise and nothing you wrote addresses this fact. Phil broke this flawed mold and when you look at the players and coaches on this roster they all originate with the things Phil did to change this franchise!!! Now Phil was a flawed Executive and he wasn’t suited to finishing the job but HE DID START IT. Unless you want to ignore the truth of who is here due to Phil’s decisions. Everything is built on his foundation. Flaws and all!!! Jeff started last season doing pretty much what he wanted and barely used any Triangle. Sure Phil did interfere but not to the degree people want to make it seem. Phil didn’t seriously ask for work on Triangle until late February when the team was 25-36!!! Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Hornacek said Jackson didn’t play a role in increasing the triangle sets following the break, but acknowledged that he and the team president have discussed it all season. http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-jeff-hornacek-bring-triangle-offense-back-article-1.2982405 |
knicks1248
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12/18/2017 7:13 PM
nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.From Porzingis, What was wrong with the roster, before phil got here, we had a half a dozen expiring contracts, and made the playoff 3 yrs in a row, and if not for a sht load of injuries to tyson, JR, shumpert, amare, and no pg we would have not missed it a forth. ES
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nixluva
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12/18/2017 7:24 PM
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.From Porzingis, COME ON BRUH! Look at where we are now after Phil's tenure. You talk like NOTHING good was done when in fact the majority of this roster and the overall direction is based on Phil's work. Phil laid this foundation and that can't be wished away. |
CrushAlot
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12/18/2017 7:27 PM
nixluva wrote:Hornacek didn't throw his boss under the bus. The Porzingis interview saying that Jeff is being allowed to coach the way he wants and is not being pulled in different directions by management is in all the papers. And the plan wasn't to be horrific that first year. That was how the roster turned out. Phil accidentally tanked every year in New York. Without Phil's roster assembly mistakes there are no KP or Frank. I get that. There was no sign that Phil wasn't going to continue to make more roster mistakes if he stayed. Also, his plan was to mentor more so the turn around in the team that the 'young' coach he hired has orchestrated likely doesn't happen.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.From Porzingis, I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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nixluva
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12/18/2017 7:55 PM
CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Hornacek didn't throw his boss under the bus. The Porzingis interview saying that Jeff is being allowed to coach the way he wants and is not being pulled in different directions by management is in all the papers. And the plan wasn't to be horrific that first year. That was how the roster turned out. Phil accidentally tanked every year in New York. Without Phil's roster assembly mistakes there are no KP or Frank. I get that. There was no sign that Phil wasn't going to continue to make more roster mistakes if he stayed. Also, his plan was to mentor more so the turn around in the team that the 'young' coach he hired has orchestrated likely doesn't happen.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.From Porzingis, The Knicks weren't losing because Phil had Jeff run a LITTLE Triangle. That wasn't the reason. You talk like the team was GREAT before Phil and he came in and messed it up. He's not hired if that was the case. IN fact Phil did the right thing in moving guys out and then seeing what he had during that first season. Yes Phil wasn't successful in building anything around Melo but that was only PART of what he was doing. The other part was to build up the culture and the franchise from the D League, scouting and development. Phil established the path that this team is currently on. No matter how you try to present things that is a FACT. Phil set this franchise on the path that it's on. |
CrushAlot
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12/18/2017 8:12 PM
nixluva wrote:the Knicks weren't great when Phil took over but they still won 37 games the year before Phil. In Phil's first year they lost 20 more games then the previous season and he thought he had built a competitive team. If you want to say Phil's accidental tanking ended up with the Knicks getting KP and Frank I am fine with that. He also didn't trade the 2018 pick. I thought Jeff was a great hire as the coach but I did not expect things to go the way they did last year. But it did get the Knicks in the lottery again and hopefully Frank is a good player for a long time. Being bad benefitted the Knicks in the lottery but it wasn't Phil's intent each time he reset the roster.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Hornacek didn't throw his boss under the bus. The Porzingis interview saying that Jeff is being allowed to coach the way he wants and is not being pulled in different directions by management is in all the papers. And the plan wasn't to be horrific that first year. That was how the roster turned out. Phil accidentally tanked every year in New York. Without Phil's roster assembly mistakes there are no KP or Frank. I get that. There was no sign that Phil wasn't going to continue to make more roster mistakes if he stayed. Also, his plan was to mentor more so the turn around in the team that the 'young' coach he hired has orchestrated likely doesn't happen.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.From Porzingis, I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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knicks1248
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12/18/2017 10:38 PM
nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Hornacek didn't throw his boss under the bus. The Porzingis interview saying that Jeff is being allowed to coach the way he wants and is not being pulled in different directions by management is in all the papers. And the plan wasn't to be horrific that first year. That was how the roster turned out. Phil accidentally tanked every year in New York. Without Phil's roster assembly mistakes there are no KP or Frank. I get that. There was no sign that Phil wasn't going to continue to make more roster mistakes if he stayed. Also, his plan was to mentor more so the turn around in the team that the 'young' coach he hired has orchestrated likely doesn't happen.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.From Porzingis, What we have here is normalcy, something we never had under phil, all we had is triangle drama from day 1 until the day he left. Why you think phil went into hiding, shut down his tweeter account, he's not even coming out to KOBE jersey retirement, where's he's little puppet writer who knew all the answers and kept the drama pot bubbling? ES
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Nalod
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12/19/2017 4:13 PM
Melo at 33 not likely to be the melo he was at 27. Or 30. Its not hate. Its "Nature".
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