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12/18/2017  5:19 PM
The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.

Phil wanted UNSELFISH, DEFENSIVE and SMART players. He drafted that way. He hired Jeff to modernize the offense and he has. The Knicks didn’t hire some NEW defensive coach. It’s the same crew. Jeff tried to take the media pressure off Rambis by saying he wasn’t going to be the lone voice on D but Rambis is still the lead guy regarding Defense!

Mills learned from Phil what to do and what NOT to do. He made a smart hire with Scott Perry. They made solid moves and gave Jeff a good roster to work with. It’s been about nothing but basketball.

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12/18/2017  6:02 PM
nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.

Phil wanted UNSELFISH, DEFENSIVE and SMART players. He drafted that way. He hired Jeff to modernize the offense and he has. The Knicks didn’t hire some NEW defensive coach. It’s the same crew. Jeff tried to take the media pressure off Rambis by saying he wasn’t going to be the lone voice on D but Rambis is still the lead guy regarding Defense!

Mills learned from Phil what to do and what NOT to do. He made a smart hire with Scott Perry. They made solid moves and gave Jeff a good roster to work with. It’s been about nothing but basketball.

From Porzingis,
"He was maybe forced to run a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Do this, do that. And that's when you can tell. As a player, you feel that. And when things are not going well, there are a lot of players who are saying, 'Why are we doing this?'" Porzingis said. "When you believe in something — even if you're not doing well — sooner or later those things start to work out.

Also, the Knick team defense ranked 7th two years before Phil and 19th during the transition year when no moves were made and the coach was not supported by management. Phil took over and the team ranked 29th his first year in team defense and 24th the next two years. I don't get the reset. He sabotaged his coach and pushed a system on his players and coaches that they did not buy into. Players that are happy generally play harder on both ends of the court. Melo talked about the team being happier this year. The team defense ranks 10th this year post triangle philosophies. What gm/pres. doesn't want unselfish. defensive and smart players. That isn't a desire unique to Phil Jackson. It is what every organization spouts and the successful organizations do. Phil reset the team three times, thought he had built a playoff team and ended up in the lottery all three times. Other than being the first guy to have Dolan take a hands off role until he started talking about trading KP because of the missed exit meeting, I am not sure what you would credit him with. The first draft pick he could trade is the 2018 pick. Trades generally sucked and free agent signings generally sucked. Two of the worst contracts in the nba were signed on his watch.
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12/18/2017  6:51 PM
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nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.

Phil wanted UNSELFISH, DEFENSIVE and SMART players. He drafted that way. He hired Jeff to modernize the offense and he has. The Knicks didn’t hire some NEW defensive coach. It’s the same crew. Jeff tried to take the media pressure off Rambis by saying he wasn’t going to be the lone voice on D but Rambis is still the lead guy regarding Defense!

Mills learned from Phil what to do and what NOT to do. He made a smart hire with Scott Perry. They made solid moves and gave Jeff a good roster to work with. It’s been about nothing but basketball.

From Porzingis,
"He was maybe forced to run a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Do this, do that. And that's when you can tell. As a player, you feel that. And when things are not going well, there are a lot of players who are saying, 'Why are we doing this?'" Porzingis said. "When you believe in something — even if you're not doing well — sooner or later those things start to work out.

Also, the Knick team defense ranked 7th two years before Phil and 19th during the transition year when no moves were made and the coach was not supported by management. Phil took over and the team ranked 29th his first year in team defense and 24th the next two years. I don't get the reset. He sabotaged his coach and pushed a system on his players and coaches that they did not buy into. Players that are happy generally play harder on both ends of the court. Melo talked about the team being happier this year. The team defense ranks 10th this year post triangle philosophies. What gm/pres. doesn't want unselfish. defensive and smart players. That isn't a desire unique to Phil Jackson. It is what every organization spouts and the successful organizations do. Phil reset the team three times, thought he had built a playoff team and ended up in the lottery all three times. Other than being the first guy to have Dolan take a hands off role until he started talking about trading KP because of the missed exit meeting, I am not sure what you would credit him with. The first draft pick he could trade is the 2018 pick. Trades generally sucked and free agent signings generally sucked. Two of the worst contracts in the nba were signed on his watch.

I can't believe how nix is still trying to support phils moves. I guess he wants players to just come out direct and say he was an *******. Then they still go with the ROSE and MELO is not here that's why things are better..smh

Imagine your coaching in practice and your boss stops you in the middle of your session to tells you he doesn't want you to run it your way, do it like this or else your fired, you tell him most of the players don't like it and are confused, and you yourself, don't feel comfortable teaching it. Most players will lose respect for the coach

Then he makes matter worse by going public, at that point he had no choice but to defend his actions by throwing everybody else under the bus with that rebellion sht, and melo, and jennings, fisher, AA, THJ, shumpert, JR.

We are doing better because phil is not here...bottom line

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12/18/2017  6:57 PM
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nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.

Phil wanted UNSELFISH, DEFENSIVE and SMART players. He drafted that way. He hired Jeff to modernize the offense and he has. The Knicks didn’t hire some NEW defensive coach. It’s the same crew. Jeff tried to take the media pressure off Rambis by saying he wasn’t going to be the lone voice on D but Rambis is still the lead guy regarding Defense!

Mills learned from Phil what to do and what NOT to do. He made a smart hire with Scott Perry. They made solid moves and gave Jeff a good roster to work with. It’s been about nothing but basketball.

From Porzingis,
"He was maybe forced to run a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Do this, do that. And that's when you can tell. As a player, you feel that. And when things are not going well, there are a lot of players who are saying, 'Why are we doing this?'" Porzingis said. "When you believe in something — even if you're not doing well — sooner or later those things start to work out.

Also, the Knick team defense ranked 7th two years before Phil and 19th during the transition year when no moves were made and the coach was not supported by management. Phil took over and the team ranked 29th his first year in team defense and 24th the next two years. I don't get the reset. He sabotaged his coach and pushed a system on his players and coaches that they did not buy into. Players that are happy generally play harder on both ends of the court. Melo talked about the team being happier this year. The team defense ranks 10th this year post triangle philosophies. What gm/pres. doesn't want unselfish. defensive and smart players. That isn't a desire unique to Phil Jackson. It is what every organization spouts and the successful organizations do. Phil reset the team three times, thought he had built a playoff team and ended up in the lottery all three times. Other than being the first guy to have Dolan take a hands off role until he started talking about trading KP because of the missed exit meeting, I am not sure what you would credit him with. The first draft pick he could trade is the 2018 pick. Trades generally sucked and free agent signings generally sucked. Two of the worst contracts in the nba were signed on his watch.

You’re spouting stats as if you weren’t witnessing what was going on. The fact is THERE IS NO KP if not for the actions of Phil which were purposefully disruptive! He came in to CHANGE this franchise and nothing you wrote addresses this fact. Phil broke this flawed mold and when you look at the players and coaches on this roster they all originate with the things Phil did to change this franchise!!!

Now Phil was a flawed Executive and he wasn’t suited to finishing the job but HE DID START IT. Unless you want to ignore the truth of who is here due to Phil’s decisions. Everything is built on his foundation. Flaws and all!!!

Jeff started last season doing pretty much what he wanted and barely used any Triangle. Sure Phil did interfere but not to the degree people want to make it seem. Phil didn’t seriously ask for work on Triangle until late February when the team was 25-36!!!

Hornacek said Jackson didn’t play a role in increasing the triangle sets following the break, but acknowledged that he and the team president have discussed it all season.

“We talked all year about finding that balance in what we do in the early offense and getting in the open court and playing that way, and then the amount of triangle that we run,” Hornacek said. “We ran a lot off of dead balls, ran a lot off of dead-ball situations. We just tried to put it in a little bit more so that we have a little more format, again, for the defensive side of it. So that when we don’t get a call and everyone — what was happening a lot was when we came down and we didn’t get a call out from our guards, the guys seemed to look around and wonder what to do. So now when there’s not a call, they should be formatted in that set, and that should help us.”

When Hornacek took over, he was careful to correct anybody who called his offense, ‘the triangle.’ Instead, he made sure it was dubbed, ‘Triangle Aspects,’ so as not to go all in on Jackson’s darling. He also incorporated more pick-and-rolls, much to the delight of Rose, and reserved the triangle for just inbounds plays and plays out of timeouts.


http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-jeff-hornacek-bring-triangle-offense-back-article-1.2982405
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12/18/2017  7:13 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.

Phil wanted UNSELFISH, DEFENSIVE and SMART players. He drafted that way. He hired Jeff to modernize the offense and he has. The Knicks didn’t hire some NEW defensive coach. It’s the same crew. Jeff tried to take the media pressure off Rambis by saying he wasn’t going to be the lone voice on D but Rambis is still the lead guy regarding Defense!

Mills learned from Phil what to do and what NOT to do. He made a smart hire with Scott Perry. They made solid moves and gave Jeff a good roster to work with. It’s been about nothing but basketball.

From Porzingis,
"He was maybe forced to run a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Do this, do that. And that's when you can tell. As a player, you feel that. And when things are not going well, there are a lot of players who are saying, 'Why are we doing this?'" Porzingis said. "When you believe in something — even if you're not doing well — sooner or later those things start to work out.

Also, the Knick team defense ranked 7th two years before Phil and 19th during the transition year when no moves were made and the coach was not supported by management. Phil took over and the team ranked 29th his first year in team defense and 24th the next two years. I don't get the reset. He sabotaged his coach and pushed a system on his players and coaches that they did not buy into. Players that are happy generally play harder on both ends of the court. Melo talked about the team being happier this year. The team defense ranks 10th this year post triangle philosophies. What gm/pres. doesn't want unselfish. defensive and smart players. That isn't a desire unique to Phil Jackson. It is what every organization spouts and the successful organizations do. Phil reset the team three times, thought he had built a playoff team and ended up in the lottery all three times. Other than being the first guy to have Dolan take a hands off role until he started talking about trading KP because of the missed exit meeting, I am not sure what you would credit him with. The first draft pick he could trade is the 2018 pick. Trades generally sucked and free agent signings generally sucked. Two of the worst contracts in the nba were signed on his watch.

You’re spouting stats as if you weren’t witnessing what was going on. The fact is THERE IS NO KP if not for the actions of Phil which were purposefully disruptive! He came in to CHANGE this franchise and nothing you wrote addresses this fact. Phil broke this flawed mold and when you look at the players and coaches on this roster they all originate with the things Phil did to change this franchise!!!

Now Phil was a flawed Executive and he wasn’t suited to finishing the job but HE DID START IT. Unless you want to ignore the truth of who is here due to Phil’s decisions. Everything is built on his foundation. Flaws and all!!!

Jeff started last season doing pretty much what he wanted and barely used any Triangle. Sure Phil did interfere but not to the degree people want to make it seem. Phil didn’t seriously ask for work on Triangle until late February when the team was 25-36!!!

Hornacek said Jackson didn’t play a role in increasing the triangle sets following the break, but acknowledged that he and the team president have discussed it all season.

“We talked all year about finding that balance in what we do in the early offense and getting in the open court and playing that way, and then the amount of triangle that we run,” Hornacek said. “We ran a lot off of dead balls, ran a lot off of dead-ball situations. We just tried to put it in a little bit more so that we have a little more format, again, for the defensive side of it. So that when we don’t get a call and everyone — what was happening a lot was when we came down and we didn’t get a call out from our guards, the guys seemed to look around and wonder what to do. So now when there’s not a call, they should be formatted in that set, and that should help us.”

When Hornacek took over, he was careful to correct anybody who called his offense, ‘the triangle.’ Instead, he made sure it was dubbed, ‘Triangle Aspects,’ so as not to go all in on Jackson’s darling. He also incorporated more pick-and-rolls, much to the delight of Rose, and reserved the triangle for just inbounds plays and plays out of timeouts.


http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-jeff-hornacek-bring-triangle-offense-back-article-1.2982405

What was wrong with the roster, before phil got here, we had a half a dozen expiring contracts, and made the playoff 3 yrs in a row, and if not for a sht load of injuries to tyson, JR, shumpert, amare, and no pg we would have not missed it a forth.

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12/18/2017  7:24 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.

Phil wanted UNSELFISH, DEFENSIVE and SMART players. He drafted that way. He hired Jeff to modernize the offense and he has. The Knicks didn’t hire some NEW defensive coach. It’s the same crew. Jeff tried to take the media pressure off Rambis by saying he wasn’t going to be the lone voice on D but Rambis is still the lead guy regarding Defense!

Mills learned from Phil what to do and what NOT to do. He made a smart hire with Scott Perry. They made solid moves and gave Jeff a good roster to work with. It’s been about nothing but basketball.

From Porzingis,
"He was maybe forced to run a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Do this, do that. And that's when you can tell. As a player, you feel that. And when things are not going well, there are a lot of players who are saying, 'Why are we doing this?'" Porzingis said. "When you believe in something — even if you're not doing well — sooner or later those things start to work out.

Also, the Knick team defense ranked 7th two years before Phil and 19th during the transition year when no moves were made and the coach was not supported by management. Phil took over and the team ranked 29th his first year in team defense and 24th the next two years. I don't get the reset. He sabotaged his coach and pushed a system on his players and coaches that they did not buy into. Players that are happy generally play harder on both ends of the court. Melo talked about the team being happier this year. The team defense ranks 10th this year post triangle philosophies. What gm/pres. doesn't want unselfish. defensive and smart players. That isn't a desire unique to Phil Jackson. It is what every organization spouts and the successful organizations do. Phil reset the team three times, thought he had built a playoff team and ended up in the lottery all three times. Other than being the first guy to have Dolan take a hands off role until he started talking about trading KP because of the missed exit meeting, I am not sure what you would credit him with. The first draft pick he could trade is the 2018 pick. Trades generally sucked and free agent signings generally sucked. Two of the worst contracts in the nba were signed on his watch.

You’re spouting stats as if you weren’t witnessing what was going on. The fact is THERE IS NO KP if not for the actions of Phil which were purposefully disruptive! He came in to CHANGE this franchise and nothing you wrote addresses this fact. Phil broke this flawed mold and when you look at the players and coaches on this roster they all originate with the things Phil did to change this franchise!!!

Now Phil was a flawed Executive and he wasn’t suited to finishing the job but HE DID START IT. Unless you want to ignore the truth of who is here due to Phil’s decisions. Everything is built on his foundation. Flaws and all!!!

Jeff started last season doing pretty much what he wanted and barely used any Triangle. Sure Phil did interfere but not to the degree people want to make it seem. Phil didn’t seriously ask for work on Triangle until late February when the team was 25-36!!!

Hornacek said Jackson didn’t play a role in increasing the triangle sets following the break, but acknowledged that he and the team president have discussed it all season.

“We talked all year about finding that balance in what we do in the early offense and getting in the open court and playing that way, and then the amount of triangle that we run,” Hornacek said. “We ran a lot off of dead balls, ran a lot off of dead-ball situations. We just tried to put it in a little bit more so that we have a little more format, again, for the defensive side of it. So that when we don’t get a call and everyone — what was happening a lot was when we came down and we didn’t get a call out from our guards, the guys seemed to look around and wonder what to do. So now when there’s not a call, they should be formatted in that set, and that should help us.”

When Hornacek took over, he was careful to correct anybody who called his offense, ‘the triangle.’ Instead, he made sure it was dubbed, ‘Triangle Aspects,’ so as not to go all in on Jackson’s darling. He also incorporated more pick-and-rolls, much to the delight of Rose, and reserved the triangle for just inbounds plays and plays out of timeouts.


http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-jeff-hornacek-bring-triangle-offense-back-article-1.2982405

What was wrong with the roster, before phil got here, we had a half a dozen expiring contracts, and made the playoff 3 yrs in a row, and if not for a sht load of injuries to tyson, JR, shumpert, amare, and no pg we would have not missed it a forth.

COME ON BRUH! Look at where we are now after Phil's tenure. You talk like NOTHING good was done when in fact the majority of this roster and the overall direction is based on Phil's work. Phil laid this foundation and that can't be wished away.

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12/18/2017  7:27 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.

Phil wanted UNSELFISH, DEFENSIVE and SMART players. He drafted that way. He hired Jeff to modernize the offense and he has. The Knicks didn’t hire some NEW defensive coach. It’s the same crew. Jeff tried to take the media pressure off Rambis by saying he wasn’t going to be the lone voice on D but Rambis is still the lead guy regarding Defense!

Mills learned from Phil what to do and what NOT to do. He made a smart hire with Scott Perry. They made solid moves and gave Jeff a good roster to work with. It’s been about nothing but basketball.

From Porzingis,
"He was maybe forced to run a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Do this, do that. And that's when you can tell. As a player, you feel that. And when things are not going well, there are a lot of players who are saying, 'Why are we doing this?'" Porzingis said. "When you believe in something — even if you're not doing well — sooner or later those things start to work out.

Also, the Knick team defense ranked 7th two years before Phil and 19th during the transition year when no moves were made and the coach was not supported by management. Phil took over and the team ranked 29th his first year in team defense and 24th the next two years. I don't get the reset. He sabotaged his coach and pushed a system on his players and coaches that they did not buy into. Players that are happy generally play harder on both ends of the court. Melo talked about the team being happier this year. The team defense ranks 10th this year post triangle philosophies. What gm/pres. doesn't want unselfish. defensive and smart players. That isn't a desire unique to Phil Jackson. It is what every organization spouts and the successful organizations do. Phil reset the team three times, thought he had built a playoff team and ended up in the lottery all three times. Other than being the first guy to have Dolan take a hands off role until he started talking about trading KP because of the missed exit meeting, I am not sure what you would credit him with. The first draft pick he could trade is the 2018 pick. Trades generally sucked and free agent signings generally sucked. Two of the worst contracts in the nba were signed on his watch.

You’re spouting stats as if you weren’t witnessing what was going on. The fact is THERE IS NO KP if not for the actions of Phil which were purposefully disruptive! He came in to CHANGE this franchise and nothing you wrote addresses this fact. Phil broke this flawed mold and when you look at the players and coaches on this roster they all originate with the things Phil did to change this franchise!!!

Now Phil was a flawed Executive and he wasn’t suited to finishing the job but HE DID START IT. Unless you want to ignore the truth of who is here due to Phil’s decisions. Everything is built on his foundation. Flaws and all!!!

Jeff started last season doing pretty much what he wanted and barely used any Triangle. Sure Phil did interfere but not to the degree people want to make it seem. Phil didn’t seriously ask for work on Triangle until late February when the team was 25-36!!!

Hornacek said Jackson didn’t play a role in increasing the triangle sets following the break, but acknowledged that he and the team president have discussed it all season.

“We talked all year about finding that balance in what we do in the early offense and getting in the open court and playing that way, and then the amount of triangle that we run,” Hornacek said. “We ran a lot off of dead balls, ran a lot off of dead-ball situations. We just tried to put it in a little bit more so that we have a little more format, again, for the defensive side of it. So that when we don’t get a call and everyone — what was happening a lot was when we came down and we didn’t get a call out from our guards, the guys seemed to look around and wonder what to do. So now when there’s not a call, they should be formatted in that set, and that should help us.”

When Hornacek took over, he was careful to correct anybody who called his offense, ‘the triangle.’ Instead, he made sure it was dubbed, ‘Triangle Aspects,’ so as not to go all in on Jackson’s darling. He also incorporated more pick-and-rolls, much to the delight of Rose, and reserved the triangle for just inbounds plays and plays out of timeouts.


http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-jeff-hornacek-bring-triangle-offense-back-article-1.2982405
Hornacek didn't throw his boss under the bus. The Porzingis interview saying that Jeff is being allowed to coach the way he wants and is not being pulled in different directions by management is in all the papers. And the plan wasn't to be horrific that first year. That was how the roster turned out. Phil accidentally tanked every year in New York. Without Phil's roster assembly mistakes there are no KP or Frank. I get that. There was no sign that Phil wasn't going to continue to make more roster mistakes if he stayed. Also, his plan was to mentor more so the turn around in the team that the 'young' coach he hired has orchestrated likely doesn't happen.
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12/18/2017  7:55 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.

Phil wanted UNSELFISH, DEFENSIVE and SMART players. He drafted that way. He hired Jeff to modernize the offense and he has. The Knicks didn’t hire some NEW defensive coach. It’s the same crew. Jeff tried to take the media pressure off Rambis by saying he wasn’t going to be the lone voice on D but Rambis is still the lead guy regarding Defense!

Mills learned from Phil what to do and what NOT to do. He made a smart hire with Scott Perry. They made solid moves and gave Jeff a good roster to work with. It’s been about nothing but basketball.

From Porzingis,
"He was maybe forced to run a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Do this, do that. And that's when you can tell. As a player, you feel that. And when things are not going well, there are a lot of players who are saying, 'Why are we doing this?'" Porzingis said. "When you believe in something — even if you're not doing well — sooner or later those things start to work out.

Also, the Knick team defense ranked 7th two years before Phil and 19th during the transition year when no moves were made and the coach was not supported by management. Phil took over and the team ranked 29th his first year in team defense and 24th the next two years. I don't get the reset. He sabotaged his coach and pushed a system on his players and coaches that they did not buy into. Players that are happy generally play harder on both ends of the court. Melo talked about the team being happier this year. The team defense ranks 10th this year post triangle philosophies. What gm/pres. doesn't want unselfish. defensive and smart players. That isn't a desire unique to Phil Jackson. It is what every organization spouts and the successful organizations do. Phil reset the team three times, thought he had built a playoff team and ended up in the lottery all three times. Other than being the first guy to have Dolan take a hands off role until he started talking about trading KP because of the missed exit meeting, I am not sure what you would credit him with. The first draft pick he could trade is the 2018 pick. Trades generally sucked and free agent signings generally sucked. Two of the worst contracts in the nba were signed on his watch.

You’re spouting stats as if you weren’t witnessing what was going on. The fact is THERE IS NO KP if not for the actions of Phil which were purposefully disruptive! He came in to CHANGE this franchise and nothing you wrote addresses this fact. Phil broke this flawed mold and when you look at the players and coaches on this roster they all originate with the things Phil did to change this franchise!!!

Now Phil was a flawed Executive and he wasn’t suited to finishing the job but HE DID START IT. Unless you want to ignore the truth of who is here due to Phil’s decisions. Everything is built on his foundation. Flaws and all!!!

Jeff started last season doing pretty much what he wanted and barely used any Triangle. Sure Phil did interfere but not to the degree people want to make it seem. Phil didn’t seriously ask for work on Triangle until late February when the team was 25-36!!!

Hornacek said Jackson didn’t play a role in increasing the triangle sets following the break, but acknowledged that he and the team president have discussed it all season.

“We talked all year about finding that balance in what we do in the early offense and getting in the open court and playing that way, and then the amount of triangle that we run,” Hornacek said. “We ran a lot off of dead balls, ran a lot off of dead-ball situations. We just tried to put it in a little bit more so that we have a little more format, again, for the defensive side of it. So that when we don’t get a call and everyone — what was happening a lot was when we came down and we didn’t get a call out from our guards, the guys seemed to look around and wonder what to do. So now when there’s not a call, they should be formatted in that set, and that should help us.”

When Hornacek took over, he was careful to correct anybody who called his offense, ‘the triangle.’ Instead, he made sure it was dubbed, ‘Triangle Aspects,’ so as not to go all in on Jackson’s darling. He also incorporated more pick-and-rolls, much to the delight of Rose, and reserved the triangle for just inbounds plays and plays out of timeouts.


http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-jeff-hornacek-bring-triangle-offense-back-article-1.2982405
Hornacek didn't throw his boss under the bus. The Porzingis interview saying that Jeff is being allowed to coach the way he wants and is not being pulled in different directions by management is in all the papers. And the plan wasn't to be horrific that first year. That was how the roster turned out. Phil accidentally tanked every year in New York. Without Phil's roster assembly mistakes there are no KP or Frank. I get that. There was no sign that Phil wasn't going to continue to make more roster mistakes if he stayed. Also, his plan was to mentor more so the turn around in the team that the 'young' coach he hired has orchestrated likely doesn't happen.

The Knicks weren't losing because Phil had Jeff run a LITTLE Triangle. That wasn't the reason.

You talk like the team was GREAT before Phil and he came in and messed it up. He's not hired if that was the case. IN fact Phil did the right thing in moving guys out and then seeing what he had during that first season. Yes Phil wasn't successful in building anything around Melo but that was only PART of what he was doing. The other part was to build up the culture and the franchise from the D League, scouting and development.

Phil established the path that this team is currently on. No matter how you try to present things that is a FACT. Phil set this franchise on the path that it's on.

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nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.

Phil wanted UNSELFISH, DEFENSIVE and SMART players. He drafted that way. He hired Jeff to modernize the offense and he has. The Knicks didn’t hire some NEW defensive coach. It’s the same crew. Jeff tried to take the media pressure off Rambis by saying he wasn’t going to be the lone voice on D but Rambis is still the lead guy regarding Defense!

Mills learned from Phil what to do and what NOT to do. He made a smart hire with Scott Perry. They made solid moves and gave Jeff a good roster to work with. It’s been about nothing but basketball.

From Porzingis,
"He was maybe forced to run a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Do this, do that. And that's when you can tell. As a player, you feel that. And when things are not going well, there are a lot of players who are saying, 'Why are we doing this?'" Porzingis said. "When you believe in something — even if you're not doing well — sooner or later those things start to work out.

Also, the Knick team defense ranked 7th two years before Phil and 19th during the transition year when no moves were made and the coach was not supported by management. Phil took over and the team ranked 29th his first year in team defense and 24th the next two years. I don't get the reset. He sabotaged his coach and pushed a system on his players and coaches that they did not buy into. Players that are happy generally play harder on both ends of the court. Melo talked about the team being happier this year. The team defense ranks 10th this year post triangle philosophies. What gm/pres. doesn't want unselfish. defensive and smart players. That isn't a desire unique to Phil Jackson. It is what every organization spouts and the successful organizations do. Phil reset the team three times, thought he had built a playoff team and ended up in the lottery all three times. Other than being the first guy to have Dolan take a hands off role until he started talking about trading KP because of the missed exit meeting, I am not sure what you would credit him with. The first draft pick he could trade is the 2018 pick. Trades generally sucked and free agent signings generally sucked. Two of the worst contracts in the nba were signed on his watch.

You’re spouting stats as if you weren’t witnessing what was going on. The fact is THERE IS NO KP if not for the actions of Phil which were purposefully disruptive! He came in to CHANGE this franchise and nothing you wrote addresses this fact. Phil broke this flawed mold and when you look at the players and coaches on this roster they all originate with the things Phil did to change this franchise!!!

Now Phil was a flawed Executive and he wasn’t suited to finishing the job but HE DID START IT. Unless you want to ignore the truth of who is here due to Phil’s decisions. Everything is built on his foundation. Flaws and all!!!

Jeff started last season doing pretty much what he wanted and barely used any Triangle. Sure Phil did interfere but not to the degree people want to make it seem. Phil didn’t seriously ask for work on Triangle until late February when the team was 25-36!!!

Hornacek said Jackson didn’t play a role in increasing the triangle sets following the break, but acknowledged that he and the team president have discussed it all season.

“We talked all year about finding that balance in what we do in the early offense and getting in the open court and playing that way, and then the amount of triangle that we run,” Hornacek said. “We ran a lot off of dead balls, ran a lot off of dead-ball situations. We just tried to put it in a little bit more so that we have a little more format, again, for the defensive side of it. So that when we don’t get a call and everyone — what was happening a lot was when we came down and we didn’t get a call out from our guards, the guys seemed to look around and wonder what to do. So now when there’s not a call, they should be formatted in that set, and that should help us.”

When Hornacek took over, he was careful to correct anybody who called his offense, ‘the triangle.’ Instead, he made sure it was dubbed, ‘Triangle Aspects,’ so as not to go all in on Jackson’s darling. He also incorporated more pick-and-rolls, much to the delight of Rose, and reserved the triangle for just inbounds plays and plays out of timeouts.


http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-jeff-hornacek-bring-triangle-offense-back-article-1.2982405
Hornacek didn't throw his boss under the bus. The Porzingis interview saying that Jeff is being allowed to coach the way he wants and is not being pulled in different directions by management is in all the papers. And the plan wasn't to be horrific that first year. That was how the roster turned out. Phil accidentally tanked every year in New York. Without Phil's roster assembly mistakes there are no KP or Frank. I get that. There was no sign that Phil wasn't going to continue to make more roster mistakes if he stayed. Also, his plan was to mentor more so the turn around in the team that the 'young' coach he hired has orchestrated likely doesn't happen.

The Knicks weren't losing because Phil had Jeff run a LITTLE Triangle. That wasn't the reason.

You talk like the team was GREAT before Phil and he came in and messed it up. He's not hired if that was the case. IN fact Phil did the right thing in moving guys out and then seeing what he had during that first season. Yes Phil wasn't successful in building anything around Melo but that was only PART of what he was doing. The other part was to build up the culture and the franchise from the D League, scouting and development.

Phil established the path that this team is currently on. No matter how you try to present things that is a FACT. Phil set this franchise on the path that it's on.

the Knicks weren't great when Phil took over but they still won 37 games the year before Phil. In Phil's first year they lost 20 more games then the previous season and he thought he had built a competitive team. If you want to say Phil's accidental tanking ended up with the Knicks getting KP and Frank I am fine with that. He also didn't trade the 2018 pick. I thought Jeff was a great hire as the coach but I did not expect things to go the way they did last year. But it did get the Knicks in the lottery again and hopefully Frank is a good player for a long time. Being bad benefitted the Knicks in the lottery but it wasn't Phil's intent each time he reset the roster.
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nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.

Phil wanted UNSELFISH, DEFENSIVE and SMART players. He drafted that way. He hired Jeff to modernize the offense and he has. The Knicks didn’t hire some NEW defensive coach. It’s the same crew. Jeff tried to take the media pressure off Rambis by saying he wasn’t going to be the lone voice on D but Rambis is still the lead guy regarding Defense!

Mills learned from Phil what to do and what NOT to do. He made a smart hire with Scott Perry. They made solid moves and gave Jeff a good roster to work with. It’s been about nothing but basketball.

From Porzingis,
"He was maybe forced to run a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Do this, do that. And that's when you can tell. As a player, you feel that. And when things are not going well, there are a lot of players who are saying, 'Why are we doing this?'" Porzingis said. "When you believe in something — even if you're not doing well — sooner or later those things start to work out.

Also, the Knick team defense ranked 7th two years before Phil and 19th during the transition year when no moves were made and the coach was not supported by management. Phil took over and the team ranked 29th his first year in team defense and 24th the next two years. I don't get the reset. He sabotaged his coach and pushed a system on his players and coaches that they did not buy into. Players that are happy generally play harder on both ends of the court. Melo talked about the team being happier this year. The team defense ranks 10th this year post triangle philosophies. What gm/pres. doesn't want unselfish. defensive and smart players. That isn't a desire unique to Phil Jackson. It is what every organization spouts and the successful organizations do. Phil reset the team three times, thought he had built a playoff team and ended up in the lottery all three times. Other than being the first guy to have Dolan take a hands off role until he started talking about trading KP because of the missed exit meeting, I am not sure what you would credit him with. The first draft pick he could trade is the 2018 pick. Trades generally sucked and free agent signings generally sucked. Two of the worst contracts in the nba were signed on his watch.

You’re spouting stats as if you weren’t witnessing what was going on. The fact is THERE IS NO KP if not for the actions of Phil which were purposefully disruptive! He came in to CHANGE this franchise and nothing you wrote addresses this fact. Phil broke this flawed mold and when you look at the players and coaches on this roster they all originate with the things Phil did to change this franchise!!!

Now Phil was a flawed Executive and he wasn’t suited to finishing the job but HE DID START IT. Unless you want to ignore the truth of who is here due to Phil’s decisions. Everything is built on his foundation. Flaws and all!!!

Jeff started last season doing pretty much what he wanted and barely used any Triangle. Sure Phil did interfere but not to the degree people want to make it seem. Phil didn’t seriously ask for work on Triangle until late February when the team was 25-36!!!

Hornacek said Jackson didn’t play a role in increasing the triangle sets following the break, but acknowledged that he and the team president have discussed it all season.

“We talked all year about finding that balance in what we do in the early offense and getting in the open court and playing that way, and then the amount of triangle that we run,” Hornacek said. “We ran a lot off of dead balls, ran a lot off of dead-ball situations. We just tried to put it in a little bit more so that we have a little more format, again, for the defensive side of it. So that when we don’t get a call and everyone — what was happening a lot was when we came down and we didn’t get a call out from our guards, the guys seemed to look around and wonder what to do. So now when there’s not a call, they should be formatted in that set, and that should help us.”

When Hornacek took over, he was careful to correct anybody who called his offense, ‘the triangle.’ Instead, he made sure it was dubbed, ‘Triangle Aspects,’ so as not to go all in on Jackson’s darling. He also incorporated more pick-and-rolls, much to the delight of Rose, and reserved the triangle for just inbounds plays and plays out of timeouts.


http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-jeff-hornacek-bring-triangle-offense-back-article-1.2982405
Hornacek didn't throw his boss under the bus. The Porzingis interview saying that Jeff is being allowed to coach the way he wants and is not being pulled in different directions by management is in all the papers. And the plan wasn't to be horrific that first year. That was how the roster turned out. Phil accidentally tanked every year in New York. Without Phil's roster assembly mistakes there are no KP or Frank. I get that. There was no sign that Phil wasn't going to continue to make more roster mistakes if he stayed. Also, his plan was to mentor more so the turn around in the team that the 'young' coach he hired has orchestrated likely doesn't happen.

The Knicks weren't losing because Phil had Jeff run a LITTLE Triangle. That wasn't the reason.

You talk like the team was GREAT before Phil and he came in and messed it up. He's not hired if that was the case. IN fact Phil did the right thing in moving guys out and then seeing what he had during that first season. Yes Phil wasn't successful in building anything around Melo but that was only PART of what he was doing. The other part was to build up the culture and the franchise from the D League, scouting and development.

Phil established the path that this team is currently on. No matter how you try to present things that is a FACT. Phil set this franchise on the path that it's on.

What we have here is normalcy, something we never had under phil, all we had is triangle drama from day 1 until the day he left.
The funny thing is, you are hearing it straight from KP's and JH's mouth and you're still in denial.

Why you think phil went into hiding, shut down his tweeter account, he's not even coming out to KOBE jersey retirement, where's he's little puppet writer who knew all the answers and kept the drama pot bubbling?

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Hornacek said the speed-ball, pick-and-roll system is just easier for the players than the slower-paced reads in the triangle.

“It’s a little bit different group, different stuff we’re doing, more typical of what NBA guys play now; that’s what they’re used to and grew up playing,’’ Hornacek said. “They’re more comfortable. … I think the chemistry is great.”

Every year phil was here, by january we were solely running the the triangle to see what players he traded for and signed FIT..lol..Who the fck does that..

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knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.

Phil wanted UNSELFISH, DEFENSIVE and SMART players. He drafted that way. He hired Jeff to modernize the offense and he has. The Knicks didn’t hire some NEW defensive coach. It’s the same crew. Jeff tried to take the media pressure off Rambis by saying he wasn’t going to be the lone voice on D but Rambis is still the lead guy regarding Defense!

Mills learned from Phil what to do and what NOT to do. He made a smart hire with Scott Perry. They made solid moves and gave Jeff a good roster to work with. It’s been about nothing but basketball.

From Porzingis,
"He was maybe forced to run a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Do this, do that. And that's when you can tell. As a player, you feel that. And when things are not going well, there are a lot of players who are saying, 'Why are we doing this?'" Porzingis said. "When you believe in something — even if you're not doing well — sooner or later those things start to work out.

Also, the Knick team defense ranked 7th two years before Phil and 19th during the transition year when no moves were made and the coach was not supported by management. Phil took over and the team ranked 29th his first year in team defense and 24th the next two years. I don't get the reset. He sabotaged his coach and pushed a system on his players and coaches that they did not buy into. Players that are happy generally play harder on both ends of the court. Melo talked about the team being happier this year. The team defense ranks 10th this year post triangle philosophies. What gm/pres. doesn't want unselfish. defensive and smart players. That isn't a desire unique to Phil Jackson. It is what every organization spouts and the successful organizations do. Phil reset the team three times, thought he had built a playoff team and ended up in the lottery all three times. Other than being the first guy to have Dolan take a hands off role until he started talking about trading KP because of the missed exit meeting, I am not sure what you would credit him with. The first draft pick he could trade is the 2018 pick. Trades generally sucked and free agent signings generally sucked. Two of the worst contracts in the nba were signed on his watch.

I can't believe how nix is still trying to support phils moves. I guess he wants players to just come out direct and say he was an *******. Then they still go with the ROSE and MELO is not here that's why things are better..smh

Imagine your coaching in practice and your boss stops you in the middle of your session to tells you he doesn't want you to run it your way, do it like this or else your fired, you tell him most of the players don't like it and are confused, and you yourself, don't feel comfortable teaching it. Most players will lose respect for the coach

Then he makes matter worse by going public, at that point he had no choice but to defend his actions by throwing everybody else under the bus with that rebellion sht, and melo, and jennings, fisher, AA, THJ, shumpert, JR.

We are doing better because phil is not here...bottom line

PHil was VERY VERY bad at managing his coaches. He had a great eye for talent. He brought in good players and good coaches. Fisher didnt work but was worth a shot. Kerr and Hornecek are good BB people. Aside from Tim and the guys from the Melo trade its Phil's roster and its a very good foundation considering where we came from. But feel free to revise history again and tell us how good that 37 win team was. It was a downward trending team build around downward trending players who in JR/Shump/Tyson were about to get big contracts that are simply terrible.

Hey Knicks 1248.... ALL SUMMER LONG you reminded us Mills was the problem and nothing would change. Why did you change your tune?

So funny to see #TEAM-MELO still clinging on......

Phil's time here was the best thing that has happened to this franchise since Ewing was drafted. We got rid of him at the PERFECT time.

Thank you Phil for what you accomplished here.
Thank you Mills for getting Phil out before he accomplished any more.
Thank you Scott Perry for trading a guy with a NTC and getting players back that play team basketball and are willing to play hard and be coached on defense.
Thank you Melo for continuing your BB legacy in OKC picking up right where you left off in NYC. No defense, holding the ball and blaming everyone around you.
Thank you #TEAM-MELO !!!!!!!

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fishmike wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.

Phil wanted UNSELFISH, DEFENSIVE and SMART players. He drafted that way. He hired Jeff to modernize the offense and he has. The Knicks didn’t hire some NEW defensive coach. It’s the same crew. Jeff tried to take the media pressure off Rambis by saying he wasn’t going to be the lone voice on D but Rambis is still the lead guy regarding Defense!

Mills learned from Phil what to do and what NOT to do. He made a smart hire with Scott Perry. They made solid moves and gave Jeff a good roster to work with. It’s been about nothing but basketball.

From Porzingis,
"He was maybe forced to run a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Do this, do that. And that's when you can tell. As a player, you feel that. And when things are not going well, there are a lot of players who are saying, 'Why are we doing this?'" Porzingis said. "When you believe in something — even if you're not doing well — sooner or later those things start to work out.

Also, the Knick team defense ranked 7th two years before Phil and 19th during the transition year when no moves were made and the coach was not supported by management. Phil took over and the team ranked 29th his first year in team defense and 24th the next two years. I don't get the reset. He sabotaged his coach and pushed a system on his players and coaches that they did not buy into. Players that are happy generally play harder on both ends of the court. Melo talked about the team being happier this year. The team defense ranks 10th this year post triangle philosophies. What gm/pres. doesn't want unselfish. defensive and smart players. That isn't a desire unique to Phil Jackson. It is what every organization spouts and the successful organizations do. Phil reset the team three times, thought he had built a playoff team and ended up in the lottery all three times. Other than being the first guy to have Dolan take a hands off role until he started talking about trading KP because of the missed exit meeting, I am not sure what you would credit him with. The first draft pick he could trade is the 2018 pick. Trades generally sucked and free agent signings generally sucked. Two of the worst contracts in the nba were signed on his watch.

I can't believe how nix is still trying to support phils moves. I guess he wants players to just come out direct and say he was an *******. Then they still go with the ROSE and MELO is not here that's why things are better..smh

Imagine your coaching in practice and your boss stops you in the middle of your session to tells you he doesn't want you to run it your way, do it like this or else your fired, you tell him most of the players don't like it and are confused, and you yourself, don't feel comfortable teaching it. Most players will lose respect for the coach

Then he makes matter worse by going public, at that point he had no choice but to defend his actions by throwing everybody else under the bus with that rebellion sht, and melo, and jennings, fisher, AA, THJ, shumpert, JR.

We are doing better because phil is not here...bottom line

PHil was VERY VERY bad at managing his coaches. He had a great eye for talent. He brought in good players and good coaches. Fisher didnt work but was worth a shot. Kerr and Hornecek are good BB people. Aside from Tim and the guys from the Melo trade its Phil's roster and its a very good foundation considering where we came from. But feel free to revise history again and tell us how good that 37 win team was. It was a downward trending team build around downward trending players who in JR/Shump/Tyson were about to get big contracts that are simply terrible.

Hey Knicks 1248.... ALL SUMMER LONG you reminded us Mills was the problem and nothing would change. Why did you change your tune?

So funny to see #TEAM-MELO still clinging on......

Phil's time here was the best thing that has happened to this franchise since Ewing was drafted. We got rid of him at the PERFECT time.

Thank you Phil for what you accomplished here.
Thank you Mills for getting Phil out before he accomplished any more.
Thank you Scott Perry for trading a guy with a NTC and getting players back that play team basketball and are willing to play hard and be coached on defense.
Thank you Melo for continuing your BB legacy in OKC picking up right where you left off in NYC. No defense, holding the ball and blaming everyone around you.
Thank you #TEAM-MELO !!!!!!!

You know the name of the game, you suck until you prove different. This team is in familiar territory right above 500, so while we are tooting horns and slapping high fives, the real test starts Thursday. January has a nice little 8 straight road games stretch and something like 14 of 17 on the road.

We look pathetic on the road, the same exact shots we make at home, we flat out miss on the road. Obviously Im hoping we can play at a 500 clip, but they have not proven the have any clue on the road

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knicks1248 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:The principles that Phil espoused are exactly what we’re seeing now. Phil was right!!! He was an imperfect manager but the direction he pointed this franchise in is bearing fruit. Phil wasn’t as far off as some fans and the media try to make him out to be.

Phil wanted UNSELFISH, DEFENSIVE and SMART players. He drafted that way. He hired Jeff to modernize the offense and he has. The Knicks didn’t hire some NEW defensive coach. It’s the same crew. Jeff tried to take the media pressure off Rambis by saying he wasn’t going to be the lone voice on D but Rambis is still the lead guy regarding Defense!

Mills learned from Phil what to do and what NOT to do. He made a smart hire with Scott Perry. They made solid moves and gave Jeff a good roster to work with. It’s been about nothing but basketball.

From Porzingis,
"He was maybe forced to run a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Do this, do that. And that's when you can tell. As a player, you feel that. And when things are not going well, there are a lot of players who are saying, 'Why are we doing this?'" Porzingis said. "When you believe in something — even if you're not doing well — sooner or later those things start to work out.

Also, the Knick team defense ranked 7th two years before Phil and 19th during the transition year when no moves were made and the coach was not supported by management. Phil took over and the team ranked 29th his first year in team defense and 24th the next two years. I don't get the reset. He sabotaged his coach and pushed a system on his players and coaches that they did not buy into. Players that are happy generally play harder on both ends of the court. Melo talked about the team being happier this year. The team defense ranks 10th this year post triangle philosophies. What gm/pres. doesn't want unselfish. defensive and smart players. That isn't a desire unique to Phil Jackson. It is what every organization spouts and the successful organizations do. Phil reset the team three times, thought he had built a playoff team and ended up in the lottery all three times. Other than being the first guy to have Dolan take a hands off role until he started talking about trading KP because of the missed exit meeting, I am not sure what you would credit him with. The first draft pick he could trade is the 2018 pick. Trades generally sucked and free agent signings generally sucked. Two of the worst contracts in the nba were signed on his watch.

I can't believe how nix is still trying to support phils moves. I guess he wants players to just come out direct and say he was an *******. Then they still go with the ROSE and MELO is not here that's why things are better..smh

Imagine your coaching in practice and your boss stops you in the middle of your session to tells you he doesn't want you to run it your way, do it like this or else your fired, you tell him most of the players don't like it and are confused, and you yourself, don't feel comfortable teaching it. Most players will lose respect for the coach

Then he makes matter worse by going public, at that point he had no choice but to defend his actions by throwing everybody else under the bus with that rebellion sht, and melo, and jennings, fisher, AA, THJ, shumpert, JR.

We are doing better because phil is not here...bottom line

PHil was VERY VERY bad at managing his coaches. He had a great eye for talent. He brought in good players and good coaches. Fisher didnt work but was worth a shot. Kerr and Hornecek are good BB people. Aside from Tim and the guys from the Melo trade its Phil's roster and its a very good foundation considering where we came from. But feel free to revise history again and tell us how good that 37 win team was. It was a downward trending team build around downward trending players who in JR/Shump/Tyson were about to get big contracts that are simply terrible.

Hey Knicks 1248.... ALL SUMMER LONG you reminded us Mills was the problem and nothing would change. Why did you change your tune?

So funny to see #TEAM-MELO still clinging on......

Phil's time here was the best thing that has happened to this franchise since Ewing was drafted. We got rid of him at the PERFECT time.

Thank you Phil for what you accomplished here.
Thank you Mills for getting Phil out before he accomplished any more.
Thank you Scott Perry for trading a guy with a NTC and getting players back that play team basketball and are willing to play hard and be coached on defense.
Thank you Melo for continuing your BB legacy in OKC picking up right where you left off in NYC. No defense, holding the ball and blaming everyone around you.
Thank you #TEAM-MELO !!!!!!!

You know the name of the game, you suck until you prove different. This team is in familiar territory right above 500, so while we are tooting horns and slapping high fives, the real test starts Thursday. January has a nice little 8 straight road games stretch and something like 14 of 17 on the road.

We look pathetic on the road, the same exact shots we make at home, we flat out miss on the road

right so when we stink you will go back to reminding us how we can never win with Mills right?

You sir suck.

(until proven different)

*see bold text

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Nobody is defending Phil. We recognize his mistakes and realize he was an agent of change and one that Dolan felt would do it.
Larger than life he commanded respect. Offering the job to kerr was not a mistake. Hiring Fish was. Trying to implement the triangle by proxy instead of coaching it himself was a mistake.
But instead of glorious runs on the back of KT, sheed, Kidd, Baron Davis and asking JR smith to keep his shyt together, we would falter in the end.
Phil tore it down. its why we went from a 37 wins to 17. You think that 37 win team was on the rise? Would have repeated or done better? That's comical.
Tyson and Bargnani worth keeping?
He should have resigned JR smith and Shump?
Bring in Lebron, Love and Kyrie it makes a good team.
Knicks1248 would rather be right then team succeed. "that guy".
If team has gone sideways but is younger with rookies and developing players that means we on the way up, not on the way down.
We have all our no. 1 picks going forward. That's on the way up, not down.
Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
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Nalod wrote:Nobody is defending Phil. We recognize his mistakes and realize he was an agent of change and one that Dolan felt would do it.
Larger than life he commanded respect. Offering the job to kerr was not a mistake. Hiring Fish was. Trying to implement the triangle by proxy instead of coaching it himself was a mistake.
But instead of glorious runs on the back of KT, sheed, Kidd, Baron Davis and asking JR smith to keep his shyt together, we would falter in the end.
Phil tore it down. its why we went from a 37 wins to 17. You think that 37 win team was on the rise? Would have repeated or done better? That's comical.
Tyson and Bargnani worth keeping?
He should have resigned JR smith and Shump?
Bring in Lebron, Love and Kyrie it makes a good team.
Knicks1248 would rather be right then team succeed. "that guy".
If team has gone sideways but is younger with rookies and developing players that means we on the way up, not on the way down.
We have all our no. 1 picks going forward. That's on the way up, not down.
all of this. The bold is the part they cant accept, but the whole post is spot on.

The Knicks are a very young team playing a new style and creating a new identity. That part alone is hard enough but they are getting it. Next up.. get better players for that identity. We have some keepers and a ton of question marks.

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12/19/2017  2:47 PM
fishmike wrote:
Nalod wrote:Nobody is defending Phil. We recognize his mistakes and realize he was an agent of change and one that Dolan felt would do it.
Larger than life he commanded respect. Offering the job to kerr was not a mistake. Hiring Fish was. Trying to implement the triangle by proxy instead of coaching it himself was a mistake.
But instead of glorious runs on the back of KT, sheed, Kidd, Baron Davis and asking JR smith to keep his shyt together, we would falter in the end.
Phil tore it down. its why we went from a 37 wins to 17. You think that 37 win team was on the rise? Would have repeated or done better? That's comical.
Tyson and Bargnani worth keeping?
He should have resigned JR smith and Shump?
Bring in Lebron, Love and Kyrie it makes a good team.
Knicks1248 would rather be right then team succeed. "that guy".
If team has gone sideways but is younger with rookies and developing players that means we on the way up, not on the way down.
We have all our no. 1 picks going forward. That's on the way up, not down.
all of this. The bold is the part they cant accept, but the whole post is spot on.

The Knicks are a very young team playing a new style and creating a new identity. That part alone is hard enough but they are getting it. Next up.. get better players for that identity. We have some keepers and a ton of question marks.


Phil wasn't the perfect guy as an exec. He did a LOT of unnecessary things and made many mistakes. That said he also set the direction of the franchise on its current course and the Management team in place now is better equipped to take it from here. Mills, Perry and Hornacek seem to be a solid team and work well together. There's no DRAMA and it's only been about BASKETBALL.
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12/19/2017  3:10 PM
nixluva wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Nalod wrote:Nobody is defending Phil. We recognize his mistakes and realize he was an agent of change and one that Dolan felt would do it.
Larger than life he commanded respect. Offering the job to kerr was not a mistake. Hiring Fish was. Trying to implement the triangle by proxy instead of coaching it himself was a mistake.
But instead of glorious runs on the back of KT, sheed, Kidd, Baron Davis and asking JR smith to keep his shyt together, we would falter in the end.
Phil tore it down. its why we went from a 37 wins to 17. You think that 37 win team was on the rise? Would have repeated or done better? That's comical.
Tyson and Bargnani worth keeping?
He should have resigned JR smith and Shump?
Bring in Lebron, Love and Kyrie it makes a good team.
Knicks1248 would rather be right then team succeed. "that guy".
If team has gone sideways but is younger with rookies and developing players that means we on the way up, not on the way down.
We have all our no. 1 picks going forward. That's on the way up, not down.
all of this. The bold is the part they cant accept, but the whole post is spot on.

The Knicks are a very young team playing a new style and creating a new identity. That part alone is hard enough but they are getting it. Next up.. get better players for that identity. We have some keepers and a ton of question marks.


Phil wasn't the perfect guy as an exec. He did a LOT of unnecessary things and made many mistakes. That said he also set the direction of the franchise on its current course and the Management team in place now is better equipped to take it from here. Mills, Perry and Hornacek seem to be a solid team and work well together. There's no DRAMA and it's only been about BASKETBALL.
This is perfect, its really is. He helped steer the ship and build a foundation. We even got the best of both GMs so far. We got Phil to work the draft, and Perry to make the trade.

Anyway... hey you see Melo's game last night? Yea, me neither.

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12/19/2017  4:13 PM
Melo at 33 not likely to be the melo he was at 27. Or 30. Its not hate. Its "Nature".
Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
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12/19/2017  4:13 PM
fishmike wrote:
nixluva wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Nalod wrote:Nobody is defending Phil. We recognize his mistakes and realize he was an agent of change and one that Dolan felt would do it.
Larger than life he commanded respect. Offering the job to kerr was not a mistake. Hiring Fish was. Trying to implement the triangle by proxy instead of coaching it himself was a mistake.
But instead of glorious runs on the back of KT, sheed, Kidd, Baron Davis and asking JR smith to keep his shyt together, we would falter in the end.
Phil tore it down. its why we went from a 37 wins to 17. You think that 37 win team was on the rise? Would have repeated or done better? That's comical.
Tyson and Bargnani worth keeping?
He should have resigned JR smith and Shump?
Bring in Lebron, Love and Kyrie it makes a good team.
Knicks1248 would rather be right then team succeed. "that guy".
If team has gone sideways but is younger with rookies and developing players that means we on the way up, not on the way down.
We have all our no. 1 picks going forward. That's on the way up, not down.
all of this. The bold is the part they cant accept, but the whole post is spot on.

The Knicks are a very young team playing a new style and creating a new identity. That part alone is hard enough but they are getting it. Next up.. get better players for that identity. We have some keepers and a ton of question marks.


Phil wasn't the perfect guy as an exec. He did a LOT of unnecessary things and made many mistakes. That said he also set the direction of the franchise on its current course and the Management team in place now is better equipped to take it from here. Mills, Perry and Hornacek seem to be a solid team and work well together. There's no DRAMA and it's only been about BASKETBALL.
This is perfect, its really is. He helped steer the ship and build a foundation. We even got the best of both GMs so far. We got Phil to work the draft, and Perry to make the trade.

Anyway... hey you see Melo's game last night? Yea, me neither.


Can someone please explain the ship steering? Also, what Phil guys are entrenched to carry on his vision and direction? In regards to steering the ship, the current management team is focusing on adding guys 25 and younger. Phil's first trade brought in two guys that were 33, supposed to be a part of the core but we're on their last legs. A ton of other guts passed through. Also, the team ranked in the bottom 5 for player continuity during his tenure. Guys in the organization with ties to Phil that I am aware of are Mike Miller, Gaines in a lesser role, Jeff and Rambis. Only one of those guys is a triangle guy. How many times does Jeff have to say after games that when the offense isn't going well the defense declines before a connection can be made to the team being ranked 29th, 24th and 24th in defense during Phil's tenure sucking in part because of the offense. Again, if you want to say in an effort to win and impose the triangle Phil's rosters went to the lottery three consecutive years and the team was able to get KP and Frank I can agree with that. I can't agree that any of the failings were orchestrated with the intent of the team being where it is today. The plan wasn't to tank or for another executive to come in and get a good return for the worst contract in the league. The plan wasn't for Jeff to go from almost being fired to being a COY candidate once his former boss was fired and he was allowed to run things his own way.
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