EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:I am OK with moving KOQ and a couple others for a decent SF - but not sure what that would achieve?

We'd be getting better.

to what end? I am not sure a first round exit or a better draft pick is better. 4-7 games of playoff experience isn't a life changer but a good player in this draft may well be.

If we make the playoffs we could attract free agents. We could still get a nice player with a pick around #18. Playoff experience vital... continuity.

If we can get a lateral trade and maybe call up Trey Burke and or Hicks... we might have enough to give a nice showing in the playoffs. What if Paul George likes what he sees and signs here? Way if we get a nice player at say #18 pick?.... can't say it won't happen. Its a possibility. Cant just piss every season away trying to get high draft picks. There's more than One way to build a roster

EnySpree wrote:

Gudris wrote:No rush, we have 3-4 years before there will be a options to win a chip

That's cool but why 3-4 years? What's going to happen during that period?

I see we have pieces now... I'm not talking about trading away the future. Perry isn't going to do that. We could use another piece... another guy worth keeping around.

The better teams will get older (mainly Lebron, but also Golden State). I don't see any other teams competing for a title for at least another 2-3 years. But who knows maybe the Celtics can surprise us.

smackeddog wrote:I think we really need to decide if what we have is enough (with added player development over the next few years) first. I'm in two minds- I like the competing, I like the winning, I sometimes think, maybe if KP and Frank continue to improve we could be onto something- but my worry is we just relive what happened with the Suns that year Hornacek nearly took them to the playoffs in what was meant to be a rebuilding year- it was great for the fans at the time, but it set their rebuilding back years.

With just player development no chance in hell they still need a superstar SF that can pick up the slack when KP misses his 15-20 games a year. They also need an upgrade at PG. Frank should be the first guard off the bench

awe1028 wrote:Should we make a move to improve? Nope at least not the way the question is intimating. The Knicks are 12 and 12 after playing 2/3 of their games at home not good. Beginning on December 27 the Knicks play 16 of 20 games on the road. Chances are after that stretch the Knicks will have collapsed. The Knicks should ride that collapse to a higher pick in the draft and get that stud SF they desperately need.

Yes +1000000000 you get it.

Jmpasq wrote:

awe1028 wrote:Should we make a move to improve? Nope at least not the way the question is intimating. The Knicks are 12 and 12 after playing 2/3 of their games at home not good. Beginning on December 27 the Knicks play 16 of 20 games on the road. Chances are after that stretch the Knicks will have collapsed. The Knicks should ride that collapse to a higher pick in the draft and get that stud SF they desperately need.

Yes +1000000000 you get it.

What is that "you get it" bull****? What is there to get? We lose we get a high draft pick. Does that solve the divinci codes? Nah... that's basic math.

Regardless of that scenario, the point im making is we owe it to this team to improve some kind of way.... be it a LATERAL TRADE that doesn't effect the future picks or salary, or simply calling guys up from the g league.

Point that can't be taken lightly is the December 27th road extravaganza... we don't want to destroy chemistry. Even if we do miss the playoffs we have to keep the players together on a positive shift. All this is important.

EnySpree wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

awe1028 wrote:Should we make a move to improve? Nope at least not the way the question is intimating. The Knicks are 12 and 12 after playing 2/3 of their games at home not good. Beginning on December 27 the Knicks play 16 of 20 games on the road. Chances are after that stretch the Knicks will have collapsed. The Knicks should ride that collapse to a higher pick in the draft and get that stud SF they desperately need.

Yes +1000000000 you get it.

What is that "you get it" bull****? What is there to get? We lose we get a high draft pick. Does that solve the divinci codes? Nah... that's basic math.

Regardless of that scenario, the point im making is we owe it to this team to improve some kind of way.... be it a LATERAL TRADE that doesn't effect the future picks or salary, or simply calling guys up from the g league.

Point that can't be taken lightly is the December 27th road extravaganza... we don't want to destroy chemistry. Even if we do miss the playoffs we have to keep the players together on a positive shift. All this is important.

Rather than bringing some outside player at this time, The Knicks need to stay the course Let these young players continue to play meaningful minutes with each other. That builds further chemistry and improvement you are so concerned about.

Besides You never know how adding a new player in the mix will affect chemistry. And who exactly do you propose the knicks bring in? Trading CLee or KOQ would be lateral moves at best so why bother?

Instead focus on the draft to bring in the talented player the team needs to further the improvement. If the Knicks are able to get a Kevin Knox or a Mikal Bridges in the 2018 draft, no one here is going to remember or care that the Knicks lost some games back in December 2017.

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:I am OK with moving KOQ and a couple others for a decent SF - but not sure what that would achieve?

We'd be getting better.

to what end? I am not sure a first round exit or a better draft pick is better. 4-7 games of playoff experience isn't a life changer but a good player in this draft may well be.

If we make the playoffs we could attract free agents. We could still get a nice player with a pick around #18. Playoff experience vital... continuity.

If we can get a lateral trade and maybe call up Trey Burke and or Hicks... we might have enough to give a nice showing in the playoffs. What if Paul George likes what he sees and signs here? Way if we get a nice player at say #18 pick?.... can't say it won't happen. Its a possibility. Cant just piss every season away trying to get high draft picks. There's more than One way to build a roster

We have tried the other ways of building a team - the results speak for themselves

I think we can build a great defensive team anchored by KP/Frank. Literally everyone else on the roster is a wait and see for me.

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I think we really need to decide if what we have is enough (with added player development over the next few years) first. I'm in two minds- I like the competing, I like the winning, I sometimes think, maybe if KP and Frank continue to improve we could be onto something- but my worry is we just relive what happened with the Suns that year Hornacek nearly took them to the playoffs in what was meant to be a rebuilding year- it was great for the fans at the time, but it set their rebuilding back years.

Could probably get some pics for Lee and KOQ right now

I have a gut feeling that we aren't going to trade him, even though it was something I figured we would do before the season.

KOQ might go because of his contract, but he is another locker room leader, who also give you good minutes on the floor. I would see him having some value in a trade because he's become a good shot blocker and is a good passer. He could easily fit in with many teams and contribute without missing a beat.

Tough calls to make...at this point we all would love to see a trade for Noah, but his value is so low that we would almost have to give up something of value to get him.

Just don't see us doing anything right now.