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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
12/11/2017 3:50 PM
Nalod wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:martin wrote:I like this:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Many fans like eye-candy above the rim offense. How many would be willing for Frank to be a Cheeks type PG these days...or maybe someone Dennis Johnson was on the Celtics? Fans might pay lip service to D, but most wet their pants over spectacular plays, and look at the tree without seeing the forest. Me...I want to win- that should be the most important thing for any fan, and I see Ntilikina as a competitor and winner...Just a matter of time. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
12/11/2017 4:35 PM
GustavBahler wrote:i would add that Butler was the 30th pick in the draft and Gianni's was 15th. Guys that scouted Gianni's raved about his potential but going 8th in a strong draft is going to up the expectations.martin wrote:I like this:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 37500 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
12/11/2017 4:49 PM
CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:i would add that Butler was the 30th pick in the draft and Gianni's was 15th. Guys that scouted Gianni's raved about his potential but going 8th in a strong draft is going to up the expectations.martin wrote:I like this:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: You can add guys like Dirk, Mike Conley and Justin Holiday. All lottery picks who were horrendous scoring the ball their rookie seasons. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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Ira
Posts: 24677 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 8/14/2001 Member: #91 |
12/12/2017 10:20 PM
Great game by Frank tonight. Dennis who?
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Ira
Posts: 24677 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 8/14/2001 Member: #91 |
12/12/2017 10:25 PM
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27186 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
12/13/2017 8:36 AM LAST EDITED: 12/13/2017 9:38 AM
CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:i would add that Butler was the 30th pick in the draft and Gianni's was 15th. Guys that scouted Gianni's raved about his potential but going 8th in a strong draft is going to up the expectations.martin wrote:I like this:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: +100 Add that Giannis was a 6'11" freak. Which is main reason he has become a huge scorer. Some just dont understand this is more about the talent available at the 8 and less about Frank. Its a simple argument. Think its just Old school guys not paying attention to where the NBA is and is heading. GS and Houston have tremendous scorers. And none of them were unable to adapt to a collective defensive unit. This notion that Frank can become a very good scorer but high level offensive players are unable to become sound defenders is short sighted. Some of us think it's easier to teach Steph Curry to be part of a good defensive scheme while others think they can teach Frank to be Steph Curry. Just look at Macbuckets amd Kanter. Btw. Was at Laker game last night and Frank looked great. If he keeps getting more confident with his jumper and more aggressive on drives, he will become a very good point guard. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 37500 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
12/13/2017 9:38 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:i would add that Butler was the 30th pick in the draft and Gianni's was 15th. Guys that scouted Gianni's raved about his potential but going 8th in a strong draft is going to up the expectations.martin wrote:I like this:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: The other sid of the coin is that you're able to hid Curry on defense because you have two-way player like Durant, Green and Thompson. Having guys like that give you the flexibility to cover for Curry defensively and Ntilikina has the potential to be one of those two-way players. That's why he was picked 8th. There are guys like Conley and Holiday who went lottery and struggled offensively too. I wouldn't classify any of those guys as athletic freaks. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27186 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
12/13/2017 9:43 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:i would add that Butler was the 30th pick in the draft and Gianni's was 15th. Guys that scouted Gianni's raved about his potential but going 8th in a strong draft is going to up the expectations.martin wrote:I like this:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Comparing Curry to Holiday? Durantvwas not picked for his defense and is an athletic freak. Where was green picked? We will agree to disagree. But for me, Frank was not the best player available at the 8. Two waybl players can be had in later rounds. Not to be picked at the 8. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
12/13/2017 9:46 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:i would add that Butler was the 30th pick in the draft and Gianni's was 15th. Guys that scouted Gianni's raved about his potential but going 8th in a strong draft is going to up the expectations.martin wrote:I like this:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: I agree, what I'm noticing more and more is that Frank has pattern his offensive game after jack, same moves, same shot selection, same passes. It's not a bad thing, but it does show how much he looks up to him. I was the first to criticize Mills for bringing in Jack and Session over rondo (8pts, 8.4 ast, 5 rbs) but jack has proven to be a solid investment. I just wish they can get to the FT line more, that would be the icing ES
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fishmike
Posts: 53117 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
12/13/2017 9:48 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:Are you saying he wasnt "a very good PG" last night?CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:i would add that Butler was the 30th pick in the draft and Gianni's was 15th. Guys that scouted Gianni's raved about his potential but going 8th in a strong draft is going to up the expectations.martin wrote:I like this:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 29859 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
12/13/2017 9:49 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:i would add that Butler was the 30th pick in the draft and Gianni's was 15th. Guys that scouted Gianni's raved about his potential but going 8th in a strong draft is going to up the expectations.martin wrote:I like this:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: I get the notion. But I think you have just sold Frank specifically short. You made a mention of where the NBA is headed. Frank is a player that could potentially guard 3 positions. Frank potentially could play on and off ball offensively and play multiple positions offensively. Frank could potentially play multiple roles for a team and given different assignments through out a game. Flexibility like that is were the NBA he headed. And Frank while he may not have a scorers mentality in the slightest at the moment. He has displayed the skill to score in a variety of ways. He can get buckets in the flow of a game from 3, pull up jumpers, post ups, and hopefully penetration lol. His willingness and ability to pass, His ability and willingness to defend, to go with his over sized frame and arms giving him a physical advantage over most guards defensively. He isn't a 21-22 yr old college junior or senior who developed his game and body over the yrs. He is 19 yrs old who hasn't come close to developing physically. Growing in the hardest position in the NBA. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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fishmike
Posts: 53117 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
12/13/2017 10:39 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:exactly... if there is an NBA trend its position-less basketball. When Frank is on a big because of a switch its literally fun to watch. He's tough to shoot over and he's even tougher to pass around.HofstraBBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:i would add that Butler was the 30th pick in the draft and Gianni's was 15th. Guys that scouted Gianni's raved about his potential but going 8th in a strong draft is going to up the expectations.martin wrote:I like this:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Sorry.. great 2-way players are not easy pickings anywhere. Teams get lucky late sometimes, but that is most certainly NOT a trend. Lets see... a PG who had already shown strong play vs. grown men at 18 years old, 6'5 with a 7'0 wingspan and the last time he played against his peers he was essentially declared the best young guard in EU and Hosfstra says "naa... not with the 8th pick. Not good enough." I mean you just kinda shrug at that. I get that guy's had their ponies and favorites in the race but how people see Frank after 25 games in the NBA and *STILL* dont think he was worth the 8th pick is funny. He looks pretty good to me, but hey, I like triangle guards Of the 4 guards we were looking at in Smith, Monk, Ntilikina and Mitchell they ALL were worthy of the 8th pick. If you had to rank them based on their first 20ish games Mitchell has looked the best, followed by Frank, then Dennis Smith and Monk has really struggled. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 37500 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
12/13/2017 10:48 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:i would add that Butler was the 30th pick in the draft and Gianni's was 15th. Guys that scouted Gianni's raved about his potential but going 8th in a strong draft is going to up the expectations.martin wrote:I like this:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: I don't know, it all goes in waves with scouting. I'm seeing a lot of guys being pitched as potential lottery picks because scouts see similarities to Draymond Green. Also, I'm not saying Durant was picked for his defense. But Durant, and Barnes before him, provides GSW with the flexibility need to make up for Curry on defense. You've seen the results when the team is composed mainly scorers who can't defend their position. That doesn't work in the modern NBA. Short shooting guards are a dime a dozen. We can always find one, assuming we keep our picks. Two-way PGs are harder to find and it looks like we might have landed one. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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