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12/7/2017  7:13 PM
Okafor is trash unless he changes his entire approach on and off the court. I'm not optimistic he will. This is his third year. Brooklyn very well is his last chance.
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12/7/2017  7:34 PM
I like it for the Nets and OK4. Dude needs a fresh start and with a VERY good Coaching staff. Atkinson will put in the work to get OK4's game right. That's a good environment for a young player.
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12/7/2017  9:01 PM
Okafor is a net negative on offense despite the points he puts up. He has some of the most atrocious defense out there.

Anyone who thinks Okafor is a good player is too incompetent to have a serious conversation about basketball.

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12/7/2017  10:17 PM
nixluva wrote:I like it for the Nets and OK4. Dude needs a fresh start and with a VERY good Coaching staff. Atkinson will put in the work to get OK4's game right. That's a good environment for a young player.

That is almost exactly what Marks said. Also, I think Stauskas could do very well in the nets offense.
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12/7/2017  10:32 PM
Booker and Holmes are going to bring a ton of energy off the bench for the Sixers. Holmes is beasting tonight.
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12/7/2017  10:37 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Booker and Holmes are going to bring a ton of energy off the bench for the Sixers. Holmes is beasting tonight.

Holmes energy has been fantastic but that hair do tho

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12/7/2017  10:55 PM
What a great 'take a flier' deal for the Nets. AND they got Stauskas + a 2nd rounder? Holy ****!

I wonder if we were ever even engaged in any conversation with the Sixers about this. I mean O'Quinn's 3 years younger than Booker and either on par or arguably better. Nets got a STEAL here. Even if it doesn't work, for what they gave up, you do this deal every day and twice on Sunday.

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12/8/2017  12:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/8/2017  12:39 AM
Booker's a really good player - puts up big numbers when he gets starter minutes, a real difference maker when he's on the floor. A bit like a big man version of Jarrett Jack in terms of impact. Looks like he plays winning basketball.

If you think in terms of potential, wow, 2 lottery picks for a journeyman. The obvious piece that hurts of course is that Okafor had a pretty good rookie year then has gotten worse over time. Stauskas also has a few years under his belt and has not managed to find his game. Two bust reclamation projects for a journeyman, sure! Sign me up!

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/3/8694147/jahlil-okafor-scouting-report-nba-draft-2015-los-angeles-lakers

Stauskas... man, remember this video in the rain:

As far as we're concerned with the Knicks:
Okafor - we already have his potential upside here in Kanter... and Stauskas, we have a much better version of him in McDermott.

As a now Brooklyn resident and local sports fan, I think the world is a better place when both the Knicks and Nets are competitive. With Okafor and Russell, there's a little bit of rebuilding hope for the fans. Maybe... Russell's knee won't be a long term problem (pretty sure it will be)... and Okafor, well, hope he's healthy and begins to realize more of his potential. From a pure talent/upside standpoint, the Nets win. Worst case they gained an asset in the 2nd round pick. Booker wasn't a long term piece with the organization anyway.

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12/8/2017  12:36 AM
Finestrg wrote:What a great 'take a flier' deal for the Nets. AND they got Stauskas + a 2nd rounder? Holy ****!

I wonder if we were ever even engaged in any conversation with the Sixers about this. I mean O'Quinn's 3 years younger than Booker and either on par or arguably better. Nets got a STEAL here. Even if it doesn't work, for what they gave up, you do this deal every day and twice on Sunday.

If Okafor is willing to train and play hard-- he's going to shut people up. The nets have a good system for okafor. Love the guy allen they drafted and he should fit in well.

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12/8/2017  6:08 AM
Finestrg wrote:What a great 'take a flier' deal for the Nets. AND they got Stauskas + a 2nd rounder? Holy ****!

I wonder if we were ever even engaged in any conversation with the Sixers about this. I mean O'Quinn's 3 years younger than Booker and either on par or arguably better. Nets got a STEAL here. Even if it doesn't work, for what they gave up, you do this deal every day and twice on Sunday.


We don't need Okafor. We have Beasley!
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12/8/2017  7:21 AM
Okafor's upside is what we already have in Kanter.
A really good post player who can rebound but not a great defensive presence.
I don't think we need to make that move, and we also need someone more physical next to KP.
Talent wise I think Willy's a great investment.

Where we need to focus on is more talent at 3 and 1. We need more than Frank at 1, and more than Doug at 3, longterm.

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12/8/2017  7:33 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:Okafor's upside is what we already have in Kanter.
A really good post player who can rebound but not a great defensive presence.
I don't think we need to make that move, and we also need someone more physical next to KP.
Talent wise I think Willy's a great investment.

Where we need to focus on is more talent at 3 and 1. We need more than Frank at 1, and more than Doug at 3, longterm.


Yes, especially 1 but 3 is a small concern
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12/8/2017  9:37 AM
No knicks in this conversation except for Briggs inclusion to want him. I get why because OK4 has the talent and his first half rookie season was strong. This kid is. Case of the body being ready to “fulfill my dream of playing at the highest level and be rich as shyt” but the mind not mature to get the physical sacrifice and mental fortitude it takes to be an adult, be under enormous pressure and still be a kid. He has nearly gone thru the motions. This is why the draft is so hard because really getting in a kids head is not an easy thing.
He and the nets get an opportunity. Nets are that kind of team that can do this. Low risk move. It’s a good playbook the nets are enacting. No short term buzz there. They dug a hole for themselves and have the GM and coach dialed in for the long term. No proof this works.
Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
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12/8/2017  12:27 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:Okafor's upside is what we already have in Kanter.
A really good post player who can rebound but not a great defensive presence.
I don't think we need to make that move, and we also need someone more physical next to KP.
Talent wise I think Willy's a great investment.

Where we need to focus on is more talent at 3 and 1. We need more than Frank at 1, and more than Doug at 3, longterm.


Okagor has the potential to be a much better passer than Kanter, I think. He showed great flashes at Duke. But he's soft. Say what you want about Enes, but the dude has a motor.
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12/8/2017  1:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/8/2017  1:40 PM
technomaster wrote:Booker's a really good player - puts up big numbers when he gets starter minutes, a real difference maker when he's on the floor. A bit like a big man version of Jarrett Jack in terms of impact. Looks like he plays winning basketball.

If you think in terms of potential, wow, 2 lottery picks for a journeyman. The obvious piece that hurts of course is that Okafor had a pretty good rookie year then has gotten worse over time. Stauskas also has a few years under his belt and has not managed to find his game. Two bust reclamation projects for a journeyman, sure! Sign me up!

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/3/8694147/jahlil-okafor-scouting-report-nba-draft-2015-los-angeles-lakers

Stauskas... man, remember this video in the rain:

As far as we're concerned with the Knicks:
Okafor - we already have his potential upside here in Kanter... and Stauskas, we have a much better version of him in McDermott.

As a now Brooklyn resident and local sports fan, I think the world is a better place when both the Knicks and Nets are competitive. With Okafor and Russell, there's a little bit of rebuilding hope for the fans. Maybe... Russell's knee won't be a long term problem (pretty sure it will be)... and Okafor, well, hope he's healthy and begins to realize more of his potential. From a pure talent/upside standpoint, the Nets win. Worst case they gained an asset in the 2nd round pick. Booker wasn't a long term piece with the organization anyway.


I don't think he got worse from his rookie year. The per game #s are lower just because he gets fewer min. He's just a volume scorer who struggles with most aspects of the game but appeals to people who want flashy scoring. I'd definitely expect that if you let him play the same min and take the same number of shots, he'd score about the same points as he did his rookie year, though.
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12/8/2017  4:12 PM
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Okagor has the potential to be a much better passer than Kanter, I think. He showed great flashes at Duke. But he's soft. Say what you want about Enes, but the dude has a motor.
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The motor is all the difference.

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12/8/2017  4:28 PM
I heard someone on the radio this morning talking about how Philly now has 43 mil coming off the cap at the end of the season with Reddick, Booker, Johnson etc. being in the final years of their deal. Do they make a run LBJ?
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12/8/2017  5:04 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I heard someone on the radio this morning talking about how Philly now has 43 mil coming off the cap at the end of the season with Reddick, Booker, Johnson etc. being in the final years of their deal. Do they make a run LBJ?

That is the goal. Lebron & Simmons G/F duo would be different. But would kill the Cavs and propel them to finals contenders in the east. Heard they are also targeting Klay for when his deal is up in GS.

If they can't get Lebron though and decide to try and win right away rather then preserve space. Will Barton would be a good pickup. As would Ed Davis. Possible Rodney Hood would be available as well.

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12/8/2017  5:06 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I heard someone on the radio this morning talking about how Philly now has 43 mil coming off the cap at the end of the season with Reddick, Booker, Johnson etc. being in the final years of their deal. Do they make a run LBJ?

That's the rumor. Definitely looks more appealing than the Lakers, but I read family considerations are also playing a part in why LeBron likes the Lakers.
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12/8/2017  5:55 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I heard someone on the radio this morning talking about how Philly now has 43 mil coming off the cap at the end of the season with Reddick, Booker, Johnson etc. being in the final years of their deal. Do they make a run LBJ?

That's the rumor. Definitely looks more appealing than the Lakers, but I read family considerations are also playing a part in why LeBron likes the Lakers.

I believe he just bought a second house in LA this week.
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Nets get ok4. 2018 2nd rd and booker

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