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Kp is simply not a reliable player to be counted on
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Bonn1997
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11/28/2017  2:32 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I don't think he is capable of playing more than 60-65 games a year max. I said this in a post a couple of weeks ago-- he's a 25-28 minute player that needs to be monitored for the long term. While he can have a form of franchise talent-- he is not Sturdy enough physically to be counted on. He can be part but he will not be THE man

I just read this again. For his career, he's played at a rate of 69 to 70 games per season. So obviously you're saying you think he's going to start becoming more injury prone. Why is that?
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11/28/2017  3:14 PM
well you also think Willy is better than KP. Not super high on your KP musings dude. Sorry
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11/28/2017  5:10 PM
There is maybe 3 players in this league that can carry a team on his own, Westbrook, LBJ, and Harden. Those guys can score, defend, rebound, and make precision passes.

Kp, doesn't pass enough, avg's less rebounds the 6 3" westbrook, in fact, how is that lonzo ball is able to have more double digit rebounds then 7 3 KP. In all honesty, KP is a skill full offensive player, who blocks shots, he is no way shape or form a franchise player, just like melo wasn't either.

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11/28/2017  5:31 PM
knicks1248 wrote:There is maybe 3 players in this league that can carry a team on his own, Westbrook, LBJ, and Harden. Those guys can score, defend, rebound, and make precision passes.

Kp, doesn't pass enough, avg's less rebounds the 6 3" westbrook, in fact, how is that lonzo ball is able to have more double digit rebounds then 7 3 KP. In all honesty, KP is a skill full offensive player, who blocks shots, he is no way shape or form a franchise player, just like melo wasn't either.

If you watch any knicks game, you will notice that KP is giving up atleast 5+ rebounds to teammates, he can grab 10+ rebounds easely just to make you happy and teammates angry ?

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11/28/2017  6:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/28/2017  6:52 PM
The thread may be a bit pre mature. Can apprecitate the opinion that KP may not be durable. He is a thinner build going up against bigger PF;s. However, hard to make this point when he has played 18 out of 20 games? Compared to other of the top scorers, its on par. The Greek Freak has played 17, Harden 20, AD 19, Steph 19. Hardly a argument for "He is not reliable" IMO
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11/28/2017  7:01 PM
fishmike wrote:well you also think Willy is better than KP. Not super high on your KP musings dude. Sorry

I'm not sure what's happened to Willy but I think I'm dead on about Kp. He's no big time franchise player.doesnt mean he's not a form of a burgeoning franchise talent but not in the way an Hakeem or even A Patrick Ewing were. That's ok too-- he's going to be a great player. He can absolutely be part a big time part if a great team-- but he cannot carry a team like some of the franchise players we know. This is not a negative kp thread-- it's a threa that means to say that kp isn't all the way there physically to carry a team 82-100 times a year -- but he can be part of a great team in a role conducive to keeping him healthy and part of the core

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11/28/2017  8:34 PM
Gudris wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:There is maybe 3 players in this league that can carry a team on his own, Westbrook, LBJ, and Harden. Those guys can score, defend, rebound, and make precision passes.

Kp, doesn't pass enough, avg's less rebounds the 6 3" westbrook, in fact, how is that lonzo ball is able to have more double digit rebounds then 7 3 KP. In all honesty, KP is a skill full offensive player, who blocks shots, he is no way shape or form a franchise player, just like melo wasn't either.

If you watch any knicks game, you will notice that KP is giving up atleast 5+ rebounds to teammates, he can grab 10+ rebounds easely just to make you happy and teammates angry ?


And we're out-rebounding opponents by almost 5 boards a game. No team gives up fewer rebounds a game than us.
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11/29/2017  12:37 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-48-minutes


Points Per 48 Minutes Leaders

RK PLAYER TEAM GP MPG PTS FG% 3PM-3PA 3P%
1 James Harden, PG HOU 20 36 42.3 0.456 6.0-14.8 0.407
2 Kristaps Porzingis, PF NY 18 33.1 39.1 0.464 3.0-7.4 0.402
3 Stephen Curry, PG GS 19 32.3 38.7 0.465 5.2-14.2 0.37
4 Giannis Antetokounmpo, SF MIL 17 37.9 37.4 0.552 0.6-2.3 0.258
5 Joel Embiid, C PHI 17 29.4 37.2 0.498 1.2-4.9 0.255
6 LeBron James, SF CLE 20 37.4 36.6 0.578 2.6-6.2 0.423
7 Kevin Durant, SF GS 16 34.1 34.7 0.529 3.6-8.4 0.432
7 Anthony Davis, PF NO 19 36 34.7 0.571 1.0-2.7 0.359
9 DeMarcus Cousins, C NO 20 35.4 34.6 0.462 3.1-9.3 0.328
9 Kyrie Irving, PG BOS 21 31.6 34.6 0.476 3.1-8.7 0.355

Dude is playing without a PG and an elbow swelling thing that has slowed him down.

Youngest on that list... check
Least filled out physically... check
Player with the least amount of talent around him... check

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11/29/2017  10:02 AM
This is ridiculous. KP will go down as one of the all time greats of the game. He is next level, superstar talent. Briggs, I LOVE your eye but you are wrong this time. Sure, maybe he'll have injuries at points but I fully believe KP will lead us to our first championship in my lifetime. Without him, we have no shot at anything any time soon...
"It was good," Curry said. "I killed Malik, Jerome. The usual suspects. It felt good."
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11/29/2017  10:11 AM
Bernard30 wrote:This is ridiculous. KP will go down as one of the all time greats of the game. He is next level, superstar talent. Briggs, I LOVE your eye but you are wrong this time. Sure, maybe he'll have injuries at points but I fully believe KP will lead us to our first championship in my lifetime. Without him, we have no shot at anything any time soon...

This is like Nixluva on steroids and HGH!
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11/29/2017  10:14 AM
Bernard30 wrote:This is ridiculous. KP will go down as one of the all time greats of the game. He is next level, superstar talent. Briggs, I LOVE your eye but you are wrong this time. Sure, maybe he'll have injuries at points but I fully believe KP will lead us to our first championship in my lifetime. Without him, we have no shot at anything any time soon...

No no no. Im not saying trade KP?? Im saying I do not think hes a Hakeem Olujuwan type FP. We cannot count on him to drag this team to 57 wins--wont happen--hes not that type of player nor will he physically be able to do 80 games then the playoffs. What Im saying is its clear that he can be a form of a franchise player but will need much better pieces that can take the bruden off him. Olujawan--you put 7 role players around him --you cant do that here.

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11/29/2017  11:00 AM
As KP continues to gain strength and confidence, he'll continue to get the ball in better and better position near the basket and his inside out game will be as hard a game to defend as anyones. He isn't Hakeem because he doesn't posses those post moves, but I fully believe he's a guy who will average 33-35 points a game within three years and will be a future MVP of this league. I've been watching ball for over 35 years and I have never seen a guy with this guys type of game and potential. Never. MJ was different, LBJ was different, KP is different. I'm not saying he's those two guys, perhaps the best two to ever play, but he'll go down as a unique talent that will be a dominating force for a decade. I really do believe if he stays healthy KP will be the greatest Knick we've ever seen once all is said and done. And for the record, I love Nixluva ...
"It was good," Curry said. "I killed Malik, Jerome. The usual suspects. It felt good."
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11/29/2017  11:22 AM
martin wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-48-minutes


Points Per 48 Minutes Leaders

RK PLAYER TEAM GP MPG PTS FG% 3PM-3PA 3P%
1 James Harden, PG HOU 20 36 42.3 0.456 6.0-14.8 0.407
2 Kristaps Porzingis, PF NY 18 33.1 39.1 0.464 3.0-7.4 0.402
3 Stephen Curry, PG GS 19 32.3 38.7 0.465 5.2-14.2 0.37
4 Giannis Antetokounmpo, SF MIL 17 37.9 37.4 0.552 0.6-2.3 0.258
5 Joel Embiid, C PHI 17 29.4 37.2 0.498 1.2-4.9 0.255
6 LeBron James, SF CLE 20 37.4 36.6 0.578 2.6-6.2 0.423
7 Kevin Durant, SF GS 16 34.1 34.7 0.529 3.6-8.4 0.432
7 Anthony Davis, PF NO 19 36 34.7 0.571 1.0-2.7 0.359
9 DeMarcus Cousins, C NO 20 35.4 34.6 0.462 3.1-9.3 0.328
9 Kyrie Irving, PG BOS 21 31.6 34.6 0.476 3.1-8.7 0.355

Dude is playing without a PG and an elbow swelling thing that has slowed him down.

Youngest on that list... check
Least filled out physically... check
Player with the least amount of talent around him... check

All this hard data is very confusing for me. Briggs seemed *so* sure in his posts
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11/29/2017  12:16 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Bernard30 wrote:This is ridiculous. KP will go down as one of the all time greats of the game. He is next level, superstar talent. Briggs, I LOVE your eye but you are wrong this time. Sure, maybe he'll have injuries at points but I fully believe KP will lead us to our first championship in my lifetime. Without him, we have no shot at anything any time soon...

No no no. Im not saying trade KP?? Im saying I do not think hes a Hakeem Olujuwan type FP. We cannot count on him to drag this team to 57 wins--wont happen--hes not that type of player nor will he physically be able to do 80 games then the playoffs. What Im saying is its clear that he can be a form of a franchise player but will need much better pieces that can take the bruden off him. Olujawan--you put 7 role players around him --you cant do that here.

what is your fascination with hakeem olajuwon this week?

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11/29/2017  12:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/29/2017  1:04 PM
lol lol lol

What do you want him to do in his 3rd year? He is well ahead of any realistic development schedule - this is a guy that was years away from years away according to most analysts when he was drafted.

The talent level around him is a joke at the moment, as expected - this is a year 1 of yet another rebuild with new management.

We literally have no legit NBA PG on the roster - we have 2 career backups in the twilight of their careers who probably should be 3rd string veteran leadership type players who should never see the court in Jack and Sessions. We are playing a 19 year old kid who would probably not start for any major division I school, may not even get minutes. Not saying he is bad - but he is 19 simply has a ton of learning to do - we are talking about a guy who could be a red shirt freshman here. Almost forgot, Baker is in the league cause "plays hard, smart" - aka white guy who really should not be in the league but we are going to have him cause he is good for PR and gives the fans a relatable face on promotional material

We have 0 SFs on the roster. McDermott is a tweener between 4 and 3 - too slow for the 3, too small for the 4, his only assets are 3s and cutting and giving a **** on defense most of the time. You don't get points for trying in the NBA though. Beas is a headcase and a tweener as well, same as McDermott. Lance is not an NBA player, period - he looks like his body is about to fall apart into dozens of tiny peaces on every layup attempt.
We are starting a 6 5(6 6 maybe) SG at SF - that by itself is enough to sink most defensive schemes.

We have no backup PF - none! KOQ is an undersized C who shows up hung over every other game (dude parties hard) and looks like it. I get flashbacks of Othella Harrington / Weatherspoon / Mo Taylor (idiots who liked the Mo Taylor trade manup - old school posters should get the reference lol) every time he is trying to make a layup in traffic.

I can probably go on trashing the roster more, but this should be enough to already make a 10-10 record look like a magic trick!


Maybe the org actually sticks to some kind of plan over next 5 years and builds something good. History seems to suggest otherwise but hope is always the last one to die.

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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11/29/2017  1:36 PM
martin wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-48-minutes


Points Per 48 Minutes Leaders

RK PLAYER TEAM GP MPG PTS FG% 3PM-3PA 3P%
1 James Harden, PG HOU 20 36 42.3 0.456 6.0-14.8 0.407
2 Kristaps Porzingis, PF NY 18 33.1 39.1 0.464 3.0-7.4 0.402
3 Stephen Curry, PG GS 19 32.3 38.7 0.465 5.2-14.2 0.37
4 Giannis Antetokounmpo, SF MIL 17 37.9 37.4 0.552 0.6-2.3 0.258
5 Joel Embiid, C PHI 17 29.4 37.2 0.498 1.2-4.9 0.255
6 LeBron James, SF CLE 20 37.4 36.6 0.578 2.6-6.2 0.423
7 Kevin Durant, SF GS 16 34.1 34.7 0.529 3.6-8.4 0.432
7 Anthony Davis, PF NO 19 36 34.7 0.571 1.0-2.7 0.359
9 DeMarcus Cousins, C NO 20 35.4 34.6 0.462 3.1-9.3 0.328
9 Kyrie Irving, PG BOS 21 31.6 34.6 0.476 3.1-8.7 0.355

Dude is playing without a PG and an elbow swelling thing that has slowed him down.

Youngest on that list... check
Least filled out physically... check
Player with the least amount of talent around him... check

Oh my goodness, when have we heard this piece of hackneyed tripe excuse used before? LMAO

You guys spend a lot of time commenting on the internet?
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11/29/2017  2:28 PM
jrodmc wrote:
martin wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-48-minutes


Points Per 48 Minutes Leaders

RK PLAYER TEAM GP MPG PTS FG% 3PM-3PA 3P%
1 James Harden, PG HOU 20 36 42.3 0.456 6.0-14.8 0.407
2 Kristaps Porzingis, PF NY 18 33.1 39.1 0.464 3.0-7.4 0.402
3 Stephen Curry, PG GS 19 32.3 38.7 0.465 5.2-14.2 0.37
4 Giannis Antetokounmpo, SF MIL 17 37.9 37.4 0.552 0.6-2.3 0.258
5 Joel Embiid, C PHI 17 29.4 37.2 0.498 1.2-4.9 0.255
6 LeBron James, SF CLE 20 37.4 36.6 0.578 2.6-6.2 0.423
7 Kevin Durant, SF GS 16 34.1 34.7 0.529 3.6-8.4 0.432
7 Anthony Davis, PF NO 19 36 34.7 0.571 1.0-2.7 0.359
9 DeMarcus Cousins, C NO 20 35.4 34.6 0.462 3.1-9.3 0.328
9 Kyrie Irving, PG BOS 21 31.6 34.6 0.476 3.1-8.7 0.355

Dude is playing without a PG and an elbow swelling thing that has slowed him down.

Youngest on that list... check
Least filled out physically... check
Player with the least amount of talent around him... check

Oh my goodness, when have we heard this piece of hackneyed tripe excuse used before? LMAO

who cares, that dung of a player is not here any more

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11/29/2017  3:15 PM
Briggs can see the future? Hakeem at age 22 was how good?
Hakeem in retrospect a HOF great. KP at age 22 nobody can say what his ceiling.
How arrogant one is being the wise sage who can predict less than exuberance than the fool who promotes the positive? Briggs does not have a good eye, he throws out many ideas and non accountable to reality because its a fans prerogative to spew as he wishes.
He can’t even tell us what Philly wants for Oka4.
Real GM’s have to deal with details while fans can speak as they wish with no basis of what the currency is to obtain those concepts.
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11/30/2017  11:19 PM
you're weird.
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12/1/2017  1:10 AM
doomed wrote:you're weird.

you sound like a kid. anything better to add?

Kp is simply not a reliable player to be counted on

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