anrst wrote:Does Melo still have a no trade clause?

Presti would probly love to ship him to sacramento for a second rounder and Koufus

The NTC stays with the contract, no matter what the contract goes. To be traded again, Melo would need to waive the NTC to the next team. In that way, OKC inherits that specific problem.

The trade kicker though IIRC does not apply again.

NTC - Must operate to league standard, no discretion
Trade Kicker - Agreement only between specific player and specific team given time and place

nyknickzingis wrote:Now OKC is playing eerily similar to the Knicks.

That's not really the core problem.

Melo being Melo doesn't help their situation, but the core problem is Westbrook and his stat padding.

The team was designed specifically to get Westbrook high volume stats, at any cost, even to the detriment of the entire team and winning. Guys are taking bad shots, but do so because if they convert, WB gets the assist. Guys aren't positioning themselves correctly because they are told to let WB get the rebounds. WB gambles badly and burns any kind of team defense because he's gunning for steals.

Westbrook is a Me First/Me Too selfish diva player. He's talented enough though to mostly get away with it. But it's not something that you can actually build a contender around.

WB is a Nike Signature Athlete. Which means the "narrative" he gets is he's awesome and he's doing so much without help. No one who has designs on a ring really wants to play with this guy. Same with James Harden. He's actually not awesome. He's a high volume player, who is a great individual player, but his quest for numbers basically kills his team's real chances.

Nike wants a WB Versus Durant narrative in the West, and a Kyrie Versus LBJ narrative in the East. I feel bad for other teams, even if they've earned better, it's not the best marketing story for the league, so the refs will f**k them hard.

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

anrst wrote:Does Melo still have a no trade clause?

Presti would probly love to ship him to sacramento for a second rounder and Koufus

Nope. He needed to relinquish the no trade clause to get the deal done.

TripleThreat replied later... I do believe you are not correct Bocker.

Agree. Melo waived his trade kicker to get the deal done. The NTC is a part of his contract until his deal s done.

TripleThreat wrote:

anrst wrote:Does Melo still have a no trade clause?

Presti would probly love to ship him to sacramento for a second rounder and Koufus

The NTC stays with the contract, no matter what the contract goes. To be traded again, Melo would need to waive the NTC to the next team. In that way, OKC inherits that specific problem.

The trade kicker though IIRC does not apply again.

NTC - Must operate to league standard, no discretion
Trade Kicker - Agreement only between specific player and specific team given time and place

nyknickzingis wrote:

Vmart wrote:You know what was funny to watch on First Take Steven A pleading to Melo to play better. “I need you to”. I thought that was Hilarious.

He doesn't see the connection still.
Last years Knicks were playing just like OKC is now.
Steven was obsessed with blaming Phil.
Now OKC is playing eerily similar to the Knicks.

There's only one consistency in the Knicks of last year and the Thunder of this year.

Also I do expect the Thunder to make the playoffs and be better than last years Knicks.
For one they have more talent than we did last year.
However I can't believe some people still can't see the connection.

Steven A hole never got it. He had an all time winning person telling him to do something that he gets paid 25 million to do and he never did it. Now Steven A hole think he gonna listen to him.

Vmart wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

Vmart wrote:You know what was funny to watch on First Take Steven A pleading to Melo to play better. “I need you to”. I thought that was Hilarious.

He doesn't see the connection still.
Last years Knicks were playing just like OKC is now.
Steven was obsessed with blaming Phil.
Now OKC is playing eerily similar to the Knicks.

There's only one consistency in the Knicks of last year and the Thunder of this year.

Also I do expect the Thunder to make the playoffs and be better than last years Knicks.
For one they have more talent than we did last year.
However I can't believe some people still can't see the connection.

Steven A hole never got it. He had an all time winning person telling him to do something that he gets paid 25 million to do and he never did it. Now Steven A hole think he gonna listen to him.

Again, The thunders slow start has very little to do with Melo and PG13, and everything to do with the cast that's supporting their big 3. They also play in the West where all of the playoff teams are stacked.

Every, player, coach, and analyst in the NBA this year, have recognize that since the knicks stop running the triangle, it's been a pleasure to watch..So yeah, phil will always be the main reason we were losing with out a fraction of a doubt.

Why not just look at melo's knick record without phil to make a conclusion

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

Vmart wrote:You know what was funny to watch on First Take Steven A pleading to Melo to play better. “I need you to”. I thought that was Hilarious.

He doesn't see the connection still.
Last years Knicks were playing just like OKC is now.
Steven was obsessed with blaming Phil.
Now OKC is playing eerily similar to the Knicks.

There's only one consistency in the Knicks of last year and the Thunder of this year.

Also I do expect the Thunder to make the playoffs and be better than last years Knicks.
For one they have more talent than we did last year.
However I can't believe some people still can't see the connection.

Steven A hole never got it. He had an all time winning person telling him to do something that he gets paid 25 million to do and he never did it. Now Steven A hole think he gonna listen to him.

Again, The thunders slow start has very little to do with Melo and PG13, and everything to do with the cast that's supporting their big 3. They also play in the West where all of the playoff teams are stacked.

Every, player, coach, and analyst in the NBA this year, have recognize that since the knicks stop running the triangle, it's been a pleasure to watch..So yeah, phil will always be the main reason we were losing with out a fraction of a doubt.

Why not just look at melo's knick record without phil to make a conclusion

Because that knick record is the direct result of JKidd! Rashweed! Camby! FluTysonMrsHibbert! JR did it! All 5 at once!

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

Vmart wrote:You know what was funny to watch on First Take Steven A pleading to Melo to play better. “I need you to”. I thought that was Hilarious.

He doesn't see the connection still.
Last years Knicks were playing just like OKC is now.
Steven was obsessed with blaming Phil.
Now OKC is playing eerily similar to the Knicks.

There's only one consistency in the Knicks of last year and the Thunder of this year.

Also I do expect the Thunder to make the playoffs and be better than last years Knicks.
For one they have more talent than we did last year.
However I can't believe some people still can't see the connection.

Steven A hole never got it. He had an all time winning person telling him to do something that he gets paid 25 million to do and he never did it. Now Steven A hole think he gonna listen to him.

Again, The thunders slow start has very little to do with Melo and PG13, and everything to do with the cast that's supporting their big 3. They also play in the West where all of the playoff teams are stacked.

Every, player, coach, and analyst in the NBA this year, have recognize that since the knicks stop running the triangle, it's been a pleasure to watch..So yeah, phil will always be the main reason we were losing with out a fraction of a doubt.

Why not just look at melo's knick record without phil to make a conclusion

They have bad losses to the Utah Jazz, Sacramento Kings, and just lost to the Pelicans with Boogie Cousins getting ejected mid way through the game. There schedule has been relatively easy thus far. They have 2 decent wins given the comp against the Pacers(without Turner but will give credit since Pacers have played well early in the season) and Bucks(Who haven't played well early in the season but were supposed to be a ECC contender). The rest of their wins have been against cup cakes with a 3 game wins streak against Clippers, Mavs, Bulls. They beat the Knicks first game of the season. But we all know that they are not the same team. They have lost to the Celtics, Spurs, Wolves twice pretty much the top of the line comp. And have not beat any teams on this level yet. They have the Warriors today though so they have a chance to change that.

They have Russ(reigning MVP), PG13, Melo, Adams. Stop it with the they lack depth. That could be an excuse to them losing in the WCF or maybe in a tough matchup in the 2nd round if they get like the Spurs or Rockets. But that doesn't hold weight when they lose to teams like the Kings and Pelicans etc.

What has been a pleasure to watch is actual effort. Triangle or no triangle effort is the difference. Baker with some others helped expose that last yr. Knicks built on that this year.