knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Ankle injuries are no joke. Its hard to cut, to show a quick first step, to jump, backpeddle. If Baker wasnt shooting enough before a shoulder injury, not realistic to expect it then.

I said the same thing about Lance Thomas for several seasons. Read the same posts about Lance Thomas. Render your verdict after Baker is close to 100 percent. and has some PT under his belt.

Ive had serious injuries to both ankle and shoulder. Mobility is severely restricted. Surprised the OP acknowledges the injuries, but piles on anyway.

Leave Baker Alone!!

Trust me, he's out of the rotation indefinitely, just like Noah. There's really no need for him right now

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Ankle injuries are no joke. Its hard to cut, to show a quick first step, to jump, backpeddle. If Baker wasnt shooting enough before a shoulder injury, not realistic to expect it then.

I said the same thing about Lance Thomas for several seasons. Read the same posts about Lance Thomas. Render your verdict after Baker is close to 100 percent. and has some PT under his belt.

Ive had serious injuries to both ankle and shoulder. Mobility is severely restricted. Surprised the OP acknowledges the injuries, but piles on anyway.

Leave Baker Alone!!

Trust me, he's out of the rotation indefinitely, just like Noah. There's really no need for him right now

There you go again, making up stuff!!!

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Ankle injuries are no joke. Its hard to cut, to show a quick first step, to jump, backpeddle. If Baker wasnt shooting enough before a shoulder injury, not realistic to expect it then.

I said the same thing about Lance Thomas for several seasons. Read the same posts about Lance Thomas. Render your verdict after Baker is close to 100 percent. and has some PT under his belt.

Ive had serious injuries to both ankle and shoulder. Mobility is severely restricted. Surprised the OP acknowledges the injuries, but piles on anyway.

Leave Baker Alone!!

Trust me, he's out of the rotation indefinitely, just like Noah. There's really no need for him right now

There you go again, making up stuff!!!

He has not played in 12 straight games and has been inactive for most of them. He did have an ankle issue but it didn't keep him from playing two games in Westchester. Not sure what evidence is needed to indicate he is out of the rotation.

I'm not sure why that even needed an explanation.

He said I'm making up stuff as if he really is part of the rotation, and that's what you call denial..

He is out of the rotation because he looked down right terrible when he had his opportunity. Who's minutes are you going to cut, jack, frank, THJ, LEE. He can't shoot, so the Sg position is out of the question, he's not a NBA floor leader by any stretch of the imagination.

Baker was the closest thing we had to one, as a rookie. He was more of a floor general last season than a former MVP PG, think about that. There wont be any minutes in the rotation for Baker, probably until someone gets hurt.

Personally — at some point I would start Frank and have Ron be back-up PG.

At a minimum we would have very good PG D.

Just think Ron got bad break with the time he missed with ankle 8njury and now must way for his chance.

Kemet wrote:

martin wrote:

Kemet wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I DONT why you guys feel like everybody on the team should be playing at one time. The avg NBA rotation is 8 to 10 players, unless it's garbage minutes.

It's like you guys want a 12 man rotation, which is never a good thing. We saw that first hand when fisher tried it, then rambis. This is the first time in a very long time, that we have a solid rotation, and I love what JH is doing.

I could understand if some guys were stinking up the joint and we were losing, but we are 7-2, and the current rotation seems to be working

First off .. Baker performance last season belong in the D.League, there were nothing admiral bout Bakers performance last season other than he passed the ball more than D.Rose.

Jeff Hornacek is the wrong coach to have for developing our young core players n veteran players ..
Our Knicks are winning games because Frank Nitty relentless defensive skills are contagious to his teammates in the 4th quarter of the past 11 games. We had a 54 win season in 2012-13 when HOF Jason Kidd played every minute of the 4th quarter throughout the season.
The Knicks are supposed to be running a 10 Man rotation every game to develop a 2 unit lineup that co-exist, especially in all these Home-games.
Willy n Dotson should have receive playing-time in the 2nd quarter of all our 14 games.
Our goal should be to develop 9 to 12 Keeper players this season, plus having a decent season that increase the trade value of all our young core players.

This thought line doesn't make sense on so many levels I don't know where to begin.

You could try to make sense of the 0-3 start ....

Or you could explain the comparison of Frank Nitty and how the 54-win season had something to do with JKidd's fabulous stat line, especially defensively, when we were better with him off the court?
Or you could explain how we develop players and have a decent season at the same time, while enhancing the ability to trade away the young core players that we just wasted a decent season developing?
Or how many successful teams in the NBA right now have 10 man rotations and a 2 unit lineup approach to the game?

Maybe we should tank and win a chip so we can carry the trophy into draft night and sell it for first pick in the lottery?

Kemet wrote:

martin wrote:

Kemet wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I DONT why you guys feel like everybody on the team should be playing at one time. The avg NBA rotation is 8 to 10 players, unless it's garbage minutes.

It's like you guys want a 12 man rotation, which is never a good thing. We saw that first hand when fisher tried it, then rambis. This is the first time in a very long time, that we have a solid rotation, and I love what JH is doing.

I could understand if some guys were stinking up the joint and we were losing, but we are 7-2, and the current rotation seems to be working

First off .. Baker performance last season belong in the D.League, there were nothing admiral bout Bakers performance last season other than he passed the ball more than D.Rose.

Jeff Hornacek is the wrong coach to have for developing our young core players n veteran players ..
Our Knicks are winning games because Frank Nitty relentless defensive skills are contagious to his teammates in the 4th quarter of the past 11 games. We had a 54 win season in 2012-13 when HOF Jason Kidd played every minute of the 4th quarter throughout the season.
The Knicks are supposed to be running a 10 Man rotation every game to develop a 2 unit lineup that co-exist, especially in all these Home-games.
Willy n Dotson should have receive playing-time in the 2nd quarter of all our 14 games.
Our goal should be to develop 9 to 12 Keeper players this season, plus having a decent season that increase the trade value of all our young core players.

This thought line doesn't make sense on so many levels I don't know where to begin.

You could try to make sense of the 0-3 start ....

I agree with the 10 men rotation and the 2 different line ups, unfortunately both line ups play the exact same way for the most part.

Both Pg's in the rotation are not fast, not offensive minded, hardly shoot 3's, no dribble penetration, and play roughly at the same pace.

None of the bigs (other than kp) can stretch the floor, and play at a high tempo for any length of time.

Here's my thinking,
STARTERS/scoring

Kanter
Kp
Mcd
THJ
Jack

Bench/defense

KOQ
Lance
Beasly
Lee
Frank

Dotson
Noah

Basically swapping lee for Mcd,I think that minor adjustment will go a long way

There's no minutes for baker

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