Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:THJ 28, 10 and 5....

And Dotson 0, 0, and 0 in 13 min.

I read that stat line last night and thought it was a misprint. 13 minutes? Was it really 3?

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:THJ 28, 10 and 5....

He's a good player. How Earl can say the guy isnt doing anything if he's not shooting really says he's hasnt watched much Knicks this year. At all.

What I see with Tim is interesting. He's got a very good motor. He's incredibly active all the time and he's always trying to make a good play. That could be setting a screen, making a pass, going for a steal, boxing out. He's really always looking to do something good. That sometimes translates into spazzy play, over playing on defense and some suspect shot selection. However most of the time it translates to good play and he's really helped this year. He's also been great late in games.

I dont know if THjr is a big part of the future, but he's played well and is a big part of the good start. Most of the people here picked the Knicks win total to be in the 25-30 range. Worst case is THjr is a stop gap transition type guy that helps us go from lottery to playoffs. Maybe the next guy helps us go from playoffs to final 4, but for now Timmy is doing what he was brought in for. He's been fine here.

2 perspectives:

- He's doing really well on a team that is gelling and starting to win games. He can put up stats and play that will positively effect team.

- Do you seem him as a starting SG on a deep playoff team?

I start with the second and I can't answer Yes, even with a little projection. 6th man? Yes. Starter, no.

Even is the most minuscule of sample sizes, I see Dotson as a dead-eye shooter, plus rebounder and excellent team and individual defender.

Time will tell.

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:THJ 28, 10 and 5....

He's a good player. How Earl can say the guy isnt doing anything if he's not shooting really says he's hasnt watched much Knicks this year. At all.

What I see with Tim is interesting. He's got a very good motor. He's incredibly active all the time and he's always trying to make a good play. That could be setting a screen, making a pass, going for a steal, boxing out. He's really always looking to do something good. That sometimes translates into spazzy play, over playing on defense and some suspect shot selection. However most of the time it translates to good play and he's really helped this year. He's also been great late in games.

I dont know if THjr is a big part of the future, but he's played well and is a big part of the good start. Most of the people here picked the Knicks win total to be in the 25-30 range. Worst case is THjr is a stop gap transition type guy that helps us go from lottery to playoffs. Maybe the next guy helps us go from playoffs to final 4, but for now Timmy is doing what he was brought in for. He's been fine here.

2 perspectives:

- He's doing really well on a team that is gelling and starting to win games. He can put up stats and play that will positively effect team.

- Do you seem him as a starting SG on a deep playoff team?

I start with the second and I can't answer Yes, even with a little projection. 6th man? Yes. Starter, no.

Even is the most minuscule of sample sizes, I see Dotson as a dead-eye shooter, plus rebounder and excellent team and individual defender.

Time will tell.

I dont see THjr as that started either. We need to see a lot more of Dotson before I can even pretend he's the one. Thats ok also. Its good, because what you WANT is to see Dotson or another young guy WIN THAT JOB from THjr by playing better. Thats the progression. Thats how you grow. Team dont just throw a magical core together and start winning titles. Parts are acquired and developed over time.

Fans need perspective. Knicks need to be a good team first. You need to see these players like you saw them last night. For 50 games. For a playoff series. Timmy makes us better. If Dotson overtakes him (dont see that for a few years) thats a great thing. Keep drafting, keep developing these guys and focus on winning these games.

We have learned a lot more about these guys at 7-6 than we would at 2-12.

blkexec wrote:THJ should be making Korver money off the bench.....as a streaky momentum impact player. But his current style of play is similar to korver role. But since he's paid like a starter he's forced into a starters role.

The only advantage THJ has over melo is age. But we got rid of one gunner for another gunner. We don't need volume shooters......we need high IQ 2way players like Dotson. At a reasonable price.

He needs to be more consistent. That comes with taking the ball to the rim more. He is doing well. He is growing along with his teammates.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Thjr has stepped up in the games when KP has been down.

He needs to be more consistent. That comes with taking the ball to the rim more. He is doing well. He is growing along with his teammates.

agree 100%. I like that THJ is doing that more. it's not only great for efficiency purposes but if you're effective at it (including drawing fouls) it softens the D as the game goes on. It also puts the other team in the penalty sooner, etc. etc.

Everyone loves 3 point swishes, but when you consider Lebron, Harden, Wade, Durant etc -- they get to the line and that pays big dividends over the course of the game

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:THJ 28, 10 and 5....

He's a good player. How Earl can say the guy isnt doing anything if he's not shooting really says he's hasnt watched much Knicks this year. At all.

What I see with Tim is interesting. He's got a very good motor. He's incredibly active all the time and he's always trying to make a good play. That could be setting a screen, making a pass, going for a steal, boxing out. He's really always looking to do something good. That sometimes translates into spazzy play, over playing on defense and some suspect shot selection. However most of the time it translates to good play and he's really helped this year. He's also been great late in games.

I dont know if THjr is a big part of the future, but he's played well and is a big part of the good start. Most of the people here picked the Knicks win total to be in the 25-30 range. Worst case is THjr is a stop gap transition type guy that helps us go from lottery to playoffs. Maybe the next guy helps us go from playoffs to final 4, but for now Timmy is doing what he was brought in for. He's been fine here.

2 perspectives:

- He's doing really well on a team that is gelling and starting to win games. He can put up stats and play that will positively effect team.

- Do you seem him as a starting SG on a deep playoff team?

I start with the second and I can't answer Yes, even with a little projection. 6th man? Yes. Starter, no.

Even is the most minuscule of sample sizes, I see Dotson as a dead-eye shooter, plus rebounder and excellent team and individual defender.

Time will tell.

I have actually been happy with Timmy, and think he can be a starter in a deep playoff team

He has been rebounding, driving (drawing fouls), and bringing energy. He's also a bit of a sore loser but in a good way -- meaning he'll compete the full 48 min and demand that from teammates (it still irks me when I see knicks being all smiley faced after a loss; should take at least 30 minutes to an hour before you become civil again)

as the team gets better, I think he will too. He seems like the guy who can be most effective if ignored by the other team (which will happen as we develop more options) and when he gets going he's hard to stop

agree re Dotson. eager to see him play more

He’s our best transition wing for Jeff’s run it up game. He flies

I was never down on the guy the 1st time around. Having said that, it certainly looks like the Atlanta gig helped him all around and o treasure the opportunity