nixluva wrote:Really don’t care if OKC ever figures things out. This was a desperation move in a stacked Conference that I suppose they had to take. The Arms Race our West is insane.

Meanwhile the direction the Knicks took was the right approach for the franchise. It doesn’t matter if the Knicks sustain this success or not. What matters is the Effort and Growth. This team needed to play this out so they can evaluate the young talent and assess what they need to add to this roster to improve. This has been valuable information already. It’s a clear WIN for the Knicks.

Think the formula has been been becoming clear. Need a bruiser next to KP. If its Kanter or Willy etc. Takes the pressure off of KP. We have our defensive pass first PG of the future in Frank. Will need a speedy instant offense type as his compliment down the road. Need a big athletic forward basically do what Lance has been giving us these last couple of games. But a bigger more athletic version that will eat off the pressure Frank and KP provide defensively. Being able to cover ground and close passing lanes as Frank uses his length to disrupt. While also being able to slide over to the 4 when we need to change it up with KP at the 5 if the match up/situation call 4 it.

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:Really don’t care if OKC ever figures things out. This was a desperation move in a stacked Conference that I suppose they had to take. The Arms Race our West is insane.

Meanwhile the direction the Knicks took was the right approach for the franchise. It doesn’t matter if the Knicks sustain this success or not. What matters is the Effort and Growth. This team needed to play this out so they can evaluate the young talent and assess what they need to add to this roster to improve. This has been valuable information already. It’s a clear WIN for the Knicks.

Think the formula has been been becoming clear. Need a bruiser next to KP. If its Kanter or Willy etc. Takes the pressure off of KP. We have our defensive pass first PG of the future in Frank. Will need a speedy instant offense type as his compliment down the road. Need a big athletic forward basically do what Lance has been giving us these last couple of games. But a bigger more athletic version that will eat off the pressure Frank and KP provide defensively. Being able to cover ground and close passing lanes as Frank uses his length to disrupt. While also being able to slide over to the 4 when we need to change it up with KP at the 5 if the match up/situation call 4 it.

I agree with this. That’s why I’m so pleased with how this season has started. We already learned so much.

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:Really don’t care if OKC ever figures things out. This was a desperation move in a stacked Conference that I suppose they had to take. The Arms Race our West is insane.

Meanwhile the direction the Knicks took was the right approach for the franchise. It doesn’t matter if the Knicks sustain this success or not. What matters is the Effort and Growth. This team needed to play this out so they can evaluate the young talent and assess what they need to add to this roster to improve. This has been valuable information already. It’s a clear WIN for the Knicks.

Think the formula has been been becoming clear. Need a bruiser next to KP. If its Kanter or Willy etc. Takes the pressure off of KP. We have our defensive pass first PG of the future in Frank. Will need a speedy instant offense type as his compliment down the road. Need a big athletic forward basically do what Lance has been giving us these last couple of games. But a bigger more athletic version that will eat off the pressure Frank and KP provide defensively. Being able to cover ground and close passing lanes as Frank uses his length to disrupt. While also being able to slide over to the 4 when we need to change it up with KP at the 5 if the match up/situation call 4 it.

I agree with this. That’s why I’m so pleased with how this season has started. We already learned so much.

We have gone the complete opposite direction from Rose and Jennings at the PG position with Jack and Frank. Rose basically turned into Hardaway Jr given his cap space was used to acquire him plus we got Dotson with the pick from the trade for Rose. Carmelo was flipped into Kanter & Dougie who are giving us 22pts-13rebs on like 60% shooting 85%ft. Sliding into important roles in the process. With Kanter getting his without getting much plays called for him but based mostly off of doing lunch pale work. And Dougie getting his by constantly moving away from the ball making it tough on defenses inside and out. The fact that they don't need a ton of usage makes a huge difference. These are huge differences to what was being produced for the Knicks last yr.

The main dish though is that KP is getting first option touches now and he is making quick decisions and is appearing unarguable. With a 60 TS% on 21.5 attempts, 7.3 FTs per game. Not even counting his defensive impact.

Knicks havent accomplished much, but they have purged that dark cloud and they are all feeling it. We still need high impact talent. Whether that comes from within, draft, FA, trade... I dont know. We still need more help but this part of the process is a lot more enjoyable now.

Best thing Phil did for us was get us KP, Willy and Frank. Hopefully Frank, Doston and Willy all turn out to be to studs. Best think Melo ever did for us was get rid of Phil. Two perfect turds for each other. Flush!

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:Really don’t care if OKC ever figures things out. This was a desperation move in a stacked Conference that I suppose they had to take. The Arms Race our West is insane.

Meanwhile the direction the Knicks took was the right approach for the franchise. It doesn’t matter if the Knicks sustain this success or not. What matters is the Effort and Growth. This team needed to play this out so they can evaluate the young talent and assess what they need to add to this roster to improve. This has been valuable information already. It’s a clear WIN for the Knicks.

Think the formula has been been becoming clear. Need a bruiser next to KP. If its Kanter or Willy etc. Takes the pressure off of KP. We have our defensive pass first PG of the future in Frank. Will need a speedy instant offense type as his compliment down the road. Need a big athletic forward basically do what Lance has been giving us these last couple of games. But a bigger more athletic version that will eat off the pressure Frank and KP provide defensively. Being able to cover ground and close passing lanes as Frank uses his length to disrupt. While also being able to slide over to the 4 when we need to change it up with KP at the 5 if the match up/situation call 4 it.

I agree. Rolo suited Kanter's role well also.

Good point. Which begs the question. Can we plug in Noah and Willy in the roles Kanter and KOQ play. With Willy being more like Kanter and Noah being more like KOQ in terms of skill set and role. This would free up some money for other needs?

Or do we have to spend money to secure these roles with Kanter and KOQ.

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:Really don’t care if OKC ever figures things out. This was a desperation move in a stacked Conference that I suppose they had to take. The Arms Race our West is insane.

Meanwhile the direction the Knicks took was the right approach for the franchise. It doesn’t matter if the Knicks sustain this success or not. What matters is the Effort and Growth. This team needed to play this out so they can evaluate the young talent and assess what they need to add to this roster to improve. This has been valuable information already. It’s a clear WIN for the Knicks.

Think the formula has been been becoming clear. Need a bruiser next to KP. If its Kanter or Willy etc. Takes the pressure off of KP. We have our defensive pass first PG of the future in Frank. Will need a speedy instant offense type as his compliment down the road. Need a big athletic forward basically do what Lance has been giving us these last couple of games. But a bigger more athletic version that will eat off the pressure Frank and KP provide defensively. Being able to cover ground and close passing lanes as Frank uses his length to disrupt. While also being able to slide over to the 4 when we need to change it up with KP at the 5 if the match up/situation call 4 it.

I agree. Rolo suited Kanter's role well also.

Good point. Which begs the question. Can we plug in Noah and Willy in the roles Kanter and KOQ play. With Willy being more like Kanter and Noah being more like KOQ in terms of skill set and role. This would free up some money for other needs?

Or do we have to spend money to secure these roles with Kanter and KOQ.

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:Really don’t care if OKC ever figures things out. This was a desperation move in a stacked Conference that I suppose they had to take. The Arms Race our West is insane.

Meanwhile the direction the Knicks took was the right approach for the franchise. It doesn’t matter if the Knicks sustain this success or not. What matters is the Effort and Growth. This team needed to play this out so they can evaluate the young talent and assess what they need to add to this roster to improve. This has been valuable information already. It’s a clear WIN for the Knicks.

Think the formula has been been becoming clear. Need a bruiser next to KP. If its Kanter or Willy etc. Takes the pressure off of KP. We have our defensive pass first PG of the future in Frank. Will need a speedy instant offense type as his compliment down the road. Need a big athletic forward basically do what Lance has been giving us these last couple of games. But a bigger more athletic version that will eat off the pressure Frank and KP provide defensively. Being able to cover ground and close passing lanes as Frank uses his length to disrupt. While also being able to slide over to the 4 when we need to change it up with KP at the 5 if the match up/situation call 4 it.

I agree with this. That’s why I’m so pleased with how this season has started. We already learned so much.

We have gone the complete opposite direction from Rose and Jennings at the PG position with Jack and Frank. Rose basically turned into Hardaway Jr given his cap space was used to acquire him plus we got Dotson with the pick from the trade for Rose. Carmelo was flipped into Kanter & Dougie who are giving us 22pts-13rebs on like 60% shooting 85%ft. Sliding into important roles in the process. With Kanter getting his without getting much plays called for him but based mostly off of doing lunch pale work. And Dougie getting his by constantly moving away from the ball making it tough on defenses inside and out. The fact that they don't need a ton of usage makes a huge difference. These are huge differences to what was being produced for the Knicks last yr.

The main dish though is that KP is getting first option touches now and he is making quick decisions and is appearing unarguable. With a 60 TS% on 21.5 attempts, 7.3 FTs per game. Not even counting his defensive impact.

this is why I thought we would be decent. I only picked us to win 5-8 more wins than last year. I Think I said 35-39 range with the thought that we win 5 more games (a clear uptick) but not enough for playoffs. I totally agree with the above and I thought THj would offset losing Rose/Melo's offense and that the other guys playing defense would balance the loss. I got tired of hearing from genius posters like 1248 how TH, Kanter, McD and Sessions were all terrible defenders etc etc... but what you are really seeing is you dont need great defenders. A few sure... but the rest of the guys just need to play hard. Melo and Rose were first and 4th in minutes played last year. Both were uncoachable on defense, one held the ball and the other had tunnel vision. Melo has too many fans still here to talk about what a drain his presence was but the bottom line is every new game, even losses like last night plainly show how much those guys sucked the life out of this clubhouse.

Knicks havent accomplished much, but they have purged that dark cloud and they are all feeling it. We still need high impact talent. Whether that comes from within, draft, FA, trade... I dont know. We still need more help but this part of the process is a lot more enjoyable now.

Best thing Phil did for us was get us KP, Willy and Frank. Hopefully Frank, Doston and Willy all turn out to be to studs. Best think Melo ever did for us was get rid of Phil. Two perfect turds for each other. Flush!

I didn't expect these pieces to fit like this truthfully. Thought it would be a sloppy transition year. The fact that these are all high character guys fighting for mins through competition is making it happen. This is the culture every player brought in should have to fall in line with. We need to maintain this type of environment.

Hey... wheels could come off but I dont think so. I think even if KP were to get hurt they would still play this way. Just win a ton less. I think even after 10 games KP set the tone. Stay healthy kid!

"I think I actually fell in love with it," Anthony said earlier this season of his natural scoring ability. "I love to score the ball. You got to love it. And I think from that, you start working on it, different ways to score the ball, adding to your game, but it's a fun thing to score the basketball."

He's a talent sure, but he's clearly prioritized his love for scoring over winning... hence, why he never had a shot at being the best player on a championship-worthy team, let alone bring the Knicks to success

OjilEye wrote:Melo just passed Iverson to move to 24th on the all-time scoring list.

Fitting that on the night he achieves this, his team loses. Perfect symbol and summary of his career.

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:Really don’t care if OKC ever figures things out. This was a desperation move in a stacked Conference that I suppose they had to take. The Arms Race our West is insane.

Meanwhile the direction the Knicks took was the right approach for the franchise. It doesn’t matter if the Knicks sustain this success or not. What matters is the Effort and Growth. This team needed to play this out so they can evaluate the young talent and assess what they need to add to this roster to improve. This has been valuable information already. It’s a clear WIN for the Knicks.

Think the formula has been been becoming clear. Need a bruiser next to KP. If its Kanter or Willy etc. Takes the pressure off of KP. We have our defensive pass first PG of the future in Frank. Will need a speedy instant offense type as his compliment down the road. Need a big athletic forward basically do what Lance has been giving us these last couple of games. But a bigger more athletic version that will eat off the pressure Frank and KP provide defensively. Being able to cover ground and close passing lanes as Frank uses his length to disrupt. While also being able to slide over to the 4 when we need to change it up with KP at the 5 if the match up/situation call 4 it.

I agree with this. That’s why I’m so pleased with how this season has started. We already learned so much.

We have gone the complete opposite direction from Rose and Jennings at the PG position with Jack and Frank. Rose basically turned into Hardaway Jr given his cap space was used to acquire him plus we got Dotson with the pick from the trade for Rose. Carmelo was flipped into Kanter & Dougie who are giving us 22pts-13rebs on like 60% shooting 85%ft. Sliding into important roles in the process. With Kanter getting his without getting much plays called for him but based mostly off of doing lunch pale work. And Dougie getting his by constantly moving away from the ball making it tough on defenses inside and out. The fact that they don't need a ton of usage makes a huge difference. These are huge differences to what was being produced for the Knicks last yr.

The main dish though is that KP is getting first option touches now and he is making quick decisions and is appearing unarguable. With a 60 TS% on 21.5 attempts, 7.3 FTs per game. Not even counting his defensive impact.

this is why I thought we would be decent. I only picked us to win 5-8 more wins than last year. I Think I said 35-39 range with the thought that we win 5 more games (a clear uptick) but not enough for playoffs. I totally agree with the above and I thought THj would offset losing Rose/Melo's offense and that the other guys playing defense would balance the loss. I got tired of hearing from genius posters like 1248 how TH, Kanter, McD and Sessions were all terrible defenders etc etc... but what you are really seeing is you dont need great defenders. A few sure... but the rest of the guys just need to play hard. Melo and Rose were first and 4th in minutes played last year. Both were uncoachable on defense, one held the ball and the other had tunnel vision. Melo has too many fans still here to talk about what a drain his presence was but the bottom line is every new game, even losses like last night plainly show how much those guys sucked the life out of this clubhouse.

Knicks havent accomplished much, but they have purged that dark cloud and they are all feeling it. We still need high impact talent. Whether that comes from within, draft, FA, trade... I dont know. We still need more help but this part of the process is a lot more enjoyable now.

Best thing Phil did for us was get us KP, Willy and Frank. Hopefully Frank, Doston and Willy all turn out to be to studs. Best think Melo ever did for us was get rid of Phil. Two perfect turds for each other. Flush!

I didn't expect these pieces to fit like this truthfully. Thought it would be a sloppy transition year. The fact that these are all high character guys fighting for mins through competition is making it happen. This is the culture every player brought in should have to fall in line with. We need to maintain this type of environment.

Well, I have a lot of experience playing and building championship teams. And once we removed Melo and Phil.....then add solid players at center and several 2 way guards, I knew we would surprise most people. I think THJ and Noah are hurting our salary cap and we are not getting back the same investment. THJ is way over paid and Dotson would've brought the same stats under the same minutes at a fraction of the cost.

But I'm not surprised at all. Even playing Jack over Sessions doesn't surprise me. Starting Sessions was the biggest surprise. You have Kanter in the paint, KP in the paint.....Why start a guard that also like to get in the paint, cause of his lack of shooting confidence.

What I thought would be the Achilles heel is KPs health. Which is why you want multiple stars on your team. But learn from OKC, they still have to fit next to each other. Kenny Smith said it perfect, OKC needs more players like Dougie, and non of their All Star players are catch and shoot.