grillco wrote:Just in case I wanted to let you folks know that I was being cheeky with the thread title. I knew Porz was going to be good and hoped he'd be this give, but I wasn't holding my breath. I'm just glad the team got something good out of the Phil Jackson debacle.

Peace.

Now we've got the best frontline in the NBA along with DeAndre/Blake. Kanter/Porzingis is a major load. They don't have the elite perimeter wing or guard player to become a contender, but we have a base. We have even more firepower in the frontline with Willy and O'Quinn off the bench.

Knicks are developing the future and also being competitive. Don't know how long this will last (the competitive part) but it's nice to see that the Knicks made the right call. As for Porzingis, as I said many times if all we got from the Phil era was Porzingis, it was worth the trouble. However we got more, we got to trade Melo for a good asset (Kanter) and rebuild. We got to draft Willy and Frank. Give them 2 more years, they will be a load as well. They know the game. They'll thrive with KP.

franco12 wrote:Not to douse anyone's exuberance, but Amare put up a stretch like this, and then he got hurt and was never the same.

I do agree that KP has answered the question - who was the best talent in his draft class!

Now - can he keep this up?

He's shown flashes in the past - last year, great November, and then subsequently faded each month.

Can he stay healthy? Can he continue to be efficient?

I had thought one of our goals this season was to determine whether KP was a bust or not. He's answered that question for sure in a very short time.

Now, the question is how great can he be this soon in his career?

I've been thinking the MVP chants devalue what they mean this early.

But, he keeps this up, he is definitely in the conversation at the end of the year.

Clearly, KP doesn't want to add another star to the team (through the draft!)

Amare's knees were already uninsurable at that point. Injuries can happen, but KP has become better at taking a fall. The kind that might have caused an injury his rookie year.

Its great to have another big like Kanter to out out there, when KP is on the bench. Keeps him from hopefully being run into to ground. Noah is coming back too, his defense and leadership will also give Hornacek the ability to pare down KP's minutes at times this season. Especially if the Knicks look like they have a legit shot at the playoffs.

His midrange game is blossoming and will be utterly untstoppable for as long as he's on the court. He's 7'3 with a crazy wingspan and can knock down that 12 foot turnaround jumper over anyone. Think about it. There is no defense. Oh yea.. he can put it on the floor, pull up or just throw it down. He can slice and take contact. Its really nuts what he's doing. I love the pace. I hope Jeff can keep his minutes down. He's just under 33. I think keeping it around 30 makes a difference. KP is going to more suseptable to wear and tear I think because of his frame, but he gives you a lot to like. He's clearly working on his body, and not just bulking up. He's super dedicated.

He's a 4. Look at this scoring. You want him banging against guys like Kanter or KOQ? No... and look how good those blockheads look next to KP. KP is no softee but he's a finesse player. Skill and height with him. Seeing him against these stretch 4s is a joke. He's feasting on them.

KP in year 3 at 22 years old is showing superstar franchise talent on a nightly basis on both ends. My god that rejection and slam down the other end. The best part is it had nothing to do with showboating or highlights. This was a very chippy game and KP was getting pushing around. This was him seeing a fastball coming and putting his best sunday swing on it.

You just gotta love the guy's effort and impact. Needs to pass more and figure some things out but man it sure looks like we are seeing the birth of a star. Fingers crossed.

nyknickzingis wrote:All those advanced stats guys from ESPN are pretty silent now about the KP is a 5 argument?
Phil wanted him at 4. Built the team with him in mind at 4.
Mills was smart enough to follow. Perry is sharp.

Love that Porzingis finally figured out that his best shot was like Pau Gasol and Dirk in the mid range and post shooting over smalls vs waiting outside and trying to be Steph Curry.

It's great to see Porzingis develop. You see his mentality. He has that Kobe Bryant type of mindset. Lives eats and breathes basketball. Injuries can stop him. Nothing else. The man is on a mission and is a killer.

nyknickzingis wrote:All those advanced stats guys from ESPN are pretty silent now about the KP is a 5 argument?
Phil wanted him at 4. Built the team with him in mind at 4.
Mills was smart enough to follow. Perry is sharp.

Love that Porzingis finally figured out that his best shot was like Pau Gasol and Dirk in the mid range and post shooting over smalls vs waiting outside and trying to be Steph Curry.

It's great to see Porzingis develop. You see his mentality. He has that Kobe Bryant type of mindset. Lives eats and breathes basketball. Injuries can stop him. Nothing else. The man is on a mission and is a killer.

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:All those advanced stats guys from ESPN are pretty silent now about the KP is a 5 argument?
Phil wanted him at 4. Built the team with him in mind at 4.
Mills was smart enough to follow. Perry is sharp.

Love that Porzingis finally figured out that his best shot was like Pau Gasol and Dirk in the mid range and post shooting over smalls vs waiting outside and trying to be Steph Curry.

It's great to see Porzingis develop. You see his mentality. He has that Kobe Bryant type of mindset. Lives eats and breathes basketball. Injuries can stop him. Nothing else. The man is on a mission and is a killer.

Stats that I saw indicated he should stay at the 4. What was being said on ESPN? Who said it?

franco12 wrote:Not to douse anyone's exuberance, but Amare put up a stretch like this, and then he got hurt and was never the same.

I do agree that KP has answered the question - who was the best talent in his draft class!

Now - can he keep this up?

He's shown flashes in the past - last year, great November, and then subsequently faded each month.

Can he stay healthy? Can he continue to be efficient?

I had thought one of our goals this season was to determine whether KP was a bust or not. He's answered that question for sure in a very short time.

Now, the question is how great can he be this soon in his career?

I've been thinking the MVP chants devalue what they mean this early.

But, he keeps this up, he is definitely in the conversation at the end of the year.

Clearly, KP doesn't want to add another star to the team (through the draft!)

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:All those advanced stats guys from ESPN are pretty silent now about the KP is a 5 argument?
Phil wanted him at 4. Built the team with him in mind at 4.
Mills was smart enough to follow. Perry is sharp.

Love that Porzingis finally figured out that his best shot was like Pau Gasol and Dirk in the mid range and post shooting over smalls vs waiting outside and trying to be Steph Curry.

It's great to see Porzingis develop. You see his mentality. He has that Kobe Bryant type of mindset. Lives eats and breathes basketball. Injuries can stop him. Nothing else. The man is on a mission and is a killer.

Stats that I saw indicated he should stay at the 4. What was being said on ESPN? Who said it?

Not sure who said it but it was said by some on bball podcasts when the Knick roster was being criticized. Too many 5's and the 5 is KP's best position down the road was the most common take. I think KP needs to play alongside a bruiser like Kanter or Rolo to be most effective.

Hmmm. That sounds more like conjecture than a statistical argument. I like how he looks next to Kanter and KOQ too so far. I'd like at least 25 games before really judging anything though.

It wasn't a statistical argument.