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knicks1248
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11/1/2017  12:36 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Wow, we have better players, and we play better. Imagine that.

THJr hits shots.
Kanter hits shots.
Frickin Jarret Jack is hitting shots.
KP playing out of his mind. With 5 whole assists in 6 games.

Right, must be all about Melo being gone. SMH.

There is a valid argument to be made, not necessarily won, but made, that an offense that has more movement is more conducive to better, more open shots and players having a better rhythm, all which could positively affect FG%.

the players said they didn't know the offense, kp said the defense was still complicated (something that was said last season all yr long)

The coaching staff made the adjustments and simplified every thing, and it's obviously working. something they couldn't do last season with the triangle being shoved down their throats, and rambis retarded defensive strategy.

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Knickoftime
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11/1/2017  12:39 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Wow, we have better players, and we play better. Imagine that.

THJr hits shots.
Kanter hits shots.
Frickin Jarret Jack is hitting shots.
KP playing out of his mind. With 5 whole assists in 6 games.

Right, must be all about Melo being gone. SMH.

There is a valid argument to be made, not necessarily won, but made, that an offense that has more movement is more conducive to better, more open shots and players having a better rhythm, all which could positively affect FG%.

the players said they didn't know the offense, kp said the defense was still complicated (something that was said last season all yr long)

The coaching staff made the adjustments and simplified every thing, and it's obviously working. something they couldn't do last season with the triangle being shoved down their throats, and rambis retarded defensive strategy.

Yeah, those could be factors TOO.

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11/1/2017  12:41 PM
stanleybostitch wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Wow, we have better players, and we play better. Imagine that.

THJr hits shots.
Kanter hits shots.
Frickin Jarret Jack is hitting shots.
KP playing out of his mind. With 5 whole assists in 6 games.

Right, must be all about Melo being gone. SMH.

Melo and Rose stunted KP's development, without those two ball hogs around he is flourishing.

Riiiiiiiiiight, and KP set all those records his rookie year because he was being stunted? I suppose Melo helped caused KP's injuries too, right?
Melo kept KP from working out like he did this past off season, right?
Melo kept KP from being older than 22 before this season, right?

Give it a break.

newyorknewyork
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11/1/2017  12:48 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Wow, we have better players, and we play better. Imagine that.

THJr hits shots.
Kanter hits shots.
Frickin Jarret Jack is hitting shots.
KP playing out of his mind. With 5 whole assists in 6 games.

Right, must be all about Melo being gone. SMH.

There is a valid argument to be made, not necessarily won, but made, that an offense that has more movement is more conducive to better, more open shots and players having a better rhythm, all which could positively affect FG%.

the players said they didn't know the offense, kp said the defense was still complicated (something that was said last season all yr long)

The coaching staff made the adjustments and simplified every thing, and it's obviously working. something they couldn't do last season with the triangle being shoved down their throats, and rambis retarded defensive strategy.

That would make more sense if they didn't have to make changes to the starting lineup replacing Jack with Sessions. And the fact that they were able to include their #8 lotto pick into the fold who was largely drafted due to his defensive capabilities. Plus the fact that KP is now entering his 3rd yr of development.

Interesting how this team doesn't run a lot of PNR and relies on multiple big men to bang in the paint and relies on ball movement from the whole team rather then one ball dominant guard. Also goes ISO KP when nessesary. Sounds very familiar. Yet are finding success in today's NBA.

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11/1/2017  12:52 PM
I think a lot of it starts with Jarrett Jack.

He's making a effort to really move the ball to the right spots, get the first outlet pass to the wings, which is allowing folks to drive and kick. The pick and rolls have really been nicely executed and there is little to no stagnation on offense. Ball is in constant motion and guys know they are going to get their shots.

KP is obviously comfortable out there and asserting himself like an MVP candidate, but not having Rose go one on one every play and having some additional defense at the guard spots has been really nice to watch.

Dougy Buckets spacing the floor and everyone playing their roles. Very fun to watch.

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11/1/2017  12:53 PM
I think a lot of it starts with Jarrett Jack.

He's making a effort to really move the ball to the right spots, get the first outlet pass to the wings, which is allowing folks to drive and kick. The pick and rolls have really been nicely executed and there is little to no stagnation on offense. Ball is in constant motion and guys know they are going to get their shots.

KP is obviously comfortable out there and asserting himself like an MVP candidate, but not having Rose go one on one every play and having some additional defense at the guard spots has been really nice to watch.

Dougy Buckets spacing the floor and everyone playing their roles. Very fun to watch.

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11/1/2017  12:58 PM
MS wrote:I think a lot of it starts with Jarrett Jack.

He's making a effort to really move the ball to the right spots, get the first outlet pass to the wings, which is allowing folks to drive and kick. The pick and rolls have really been nicely executed and there is little to no stagnation on offense. Ball is in constant motion and guys know they are going to get their shots.

KP is obviously comfortable out there and asserting himself like an MVP candidate, but not having Rose go one on one every play and having some additional defense at the guard spots has been really nice to watch.

Dougy Buckets spacing the floor and everyone playing their roles. Very fun to watch.

two incredibly basic thngs we didnt get last year. Good guard play and 5 guys willing to defend. Notice I dont say "good defenders." They are willing. We had guys last year who were not
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knicks1248
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11/1/2017  12:58 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Wow, we have better players, and we play better. Imagine that.

THJr hits shots.
Kanter hits shots.
Frickin Jarret Jack is hitting shots.
KP playing out of his mind. With 5 whole assists in 6 games.

Right, must be all about Melo being gone. SMH.

There is a valid argument to be made, not necessarily won, but made, that an offense that has more movement is more conducive to better, more open shots and players having a better rhythm, all which could positively affect FG%.

the players said they didn't know the offense, kp said the defense was still complicated (something that was said last season all yr long)

The coaching staff made the adjustments and simplified every thing, and it's obviously working. something they couldn't do last season with the triangle being shoved down their throats, and rambis retarded defensive strategy.

That would make more sense if they didn't have to make changes to the starting lineup replacing Jack with Sessions. And the fact that they were able to include their #8 lotto pick into the fold who was largely drafted due to his defensive capabilities. Plus the fact that KP is now entering his 3rd yr of development.

Interesting how this team doesn't run a lot of PNR and relies on multiple big men to bang in the paint and relies on ball movement from the whole team rather then one ball dominant guard. Also goes ISO KP when nessesary. Sounds very familiar. Yet are finding success in today's NBA.

IMO, the difference in KP's Iso's and melo's Iso's is KP makes his moves quicker .

The cuts to the basket are way better than before, and the pace of the games is the biggest change, that part is surprising considering we don't have a lot of fast guys.

less not forget the rebound aspect which has been a +20, +10, +13 in the last 3 games

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11/1/2017  1:12 PM
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stanleybostitch wrote:Big props to Horny for demoting Rambis. The D is finally working without him...not sure why he is still employed.
do you really think the D is better because Rambis isnt running it? Really? You watch this squad and the thing that jumps out at you is no Rambis?

FYI Rambis wasnt demoted. When asked Jeff simply said it wouldnt be one guy's job.

Correlation isn't causation, but I have to think that the coaching being provided this year is better than last. And for D, that's on Rambis. So it's an equation:

(better players + better coaching) - defensive black hole players = significantly improved D.

The new new core: Randle, RJ, IQ. Maybe Mitch. Future pick. Future trade. Future FA.
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11/1/2017  1:13 PM
jrodmc wrote:
stanleybostitch wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Wow, we have better players, and we play better. Imagine that.

THJr hits shots.
Kanter hits shots.
Frickin Jarret Jack is hitting shots.
KP playing out of his mind. With 5 whole assists in 6 games.

Right, must be all about Melo being gone. SMH.

Melo and Rose stunted KP's development, without those two ball hogs around he is flourishing.

Riiiiiiiiiight, and KP set all those records his rookie year because he was being stunted? I suppose Melo helped caused KP's injuries too, right?
Melo kept KP from working out like he did this past off season, right?
Melo kept KP from being older than 22 before this season, right?

Give it a break.

KP wasn't the first option with Melo and Rose. Now he is and he's flourishing. What's complicated about this picture?

The new new core: Randle, RJ, IQ. Maybe Mitch. Future pick. Future trade. Future FA.
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11/1/2017  1:22 PM
stanleybostitch wrote:
fishmike wrote:
stanleybostitch wrote:Big props to Horny for demoting Rambis. The D is finally working without him...not sure why he is still employed.
do you really think the D is better because Rambis isnt running it? Really? You watch this squad and the thing that jumps out at you is no Rambis?

FYI Rambis wasnt demoted. When asked Jeff simply said it wouldnt be one guy's job.

Correlation isn't causation, but I have to think that the coaching being provided this year is better than last. And for D, that's on Rambis. So it's an equation:

(better players + better coaching) - defensive black hole players = significantly improved D.

totally disagree. This year the coach has the option to play guys who are defending and sit ones who arent. That was NOT an option last year. Schemes and coaching all come after that very simple fact. 3 of the top 6 guys in minutes last year didnt defend, and couldnt be benched for it. The only guy this year that you can say that with is KP.. *maybe* you make a case for THj as he just got paid. However both of those guys have played very hard on D, which is all this staff is asking for.

To me thats plain as day. I dont really see how you can look at the D from last year to this and not have this jump out. Guys are willing. Last year they werent.

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11/1/2017  1:36 PM
stanleybostitch wrote:
fishmike wrote:
stanleybostitch wrote:Big props to Horny for demoting Rambis. The D is finally working without him...not sure why he is still employed.
do you really think the D is better because Rambis isnt running it? Really? You watch this squad and the thing that jumps out at you is no Rambis?

FYI Rambis wasnt demoted. When asked Jeff simply said it wouldnt be one guy's job.

Correlation isn't causation, but I have to think that the coaching being provided this year is better than last. And for D, that's on Rambis. So it's an equation:

(better players + better coaching) - defensive black hole players = significantly improved D.

Rambis is NOT in charge of the defense this yr. Don't give him credit for that

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11/1/2017  1:37 PM
For the first time in yrs, no one in the organization has an agenda!
We finally have a GM and Prez that atcually prefer to be the GM and Prez and not the coach!
The Coach is being allowed to coach as he see's fit and doesn't have to look over his shoulder..
There's less confusion this yr and the players all seem to be on the same page.
Complete player buy in
No more pissing matches between star player and prez...
We are functioning like an actual stable organization for a change...
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11/1/2017  1:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2017  1:42 PM
Uptown wrote:For the first time in yrs, no one in the organization has an agenda!
We finally have a GM and Prez that atcually prefer to be the GM and Prez and not the coach!
The Coach is being allowed to coach as he see's fit and doesn't have to look over his shoulder..
There's less confusion this yr and the players all seem to be on the same page.
Complete player buy in
No more pissing matches between star player and prez...
We are functioning like an actual stable organization for a change...

I'll echo this to a certain extent... I think there's a lot of credit to go around, but I'll focus on Mills. For a lot of years I thought that he was a Dolan yes man and thought that he'd very likely fail in the position

I think what we've all been impressed with is the team's energy, resiliency, and togetherness of a young roster. I for one think that an organization flows from the top down. As Dolan hates the spotlight and has largely removed himself from the day-to-day, if I had to give only one guy credit it would be Mills

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11/1/2017  1:45 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Wow, we have better players, and we play better. Imagine that.

THJr hits shots.
Kanter hits shots.
Frickin Jarret Jack is hitting shots.
KP playing out of his mind. With 5 whole assists in 6 games.

Right, must be all about Melo being gone. SMH.

There is a valid argument to be made, not necessarily won, but made, that an offense that has more movement is more conducive to better, more open shots and players having a better rhythm, all which could positively affect FG%.

It also tires out the other team hurting their FG% and defense as they wear down (assuming you can keep up the energy). It also makes it difficult for help defenders as they have more difficult chasing their guy

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11/1/2017  1:51 PM
jrodmc wrote:
stanleybostitch wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Wow, we have better players, and we play better. Imagine that.

THJr hits shots.
Kanter hits shots.
Frickin Jarret Jack is hitting shots.
KP playing out of his mind. With 5 whole assists in 6 games.

Right, must be all about Melo being gone. SMH.

Melo and Rose stunted KP's development, without those two ball hogs around he is flourishing.

Riiiiiiiiiight, and KP set all those records his rookie year because he was being stunted? I suppose Melo helped caused KP's injuries too, right?
Melo kept KP from working out like he did this past off season, right?
Melo kept KP from being older than 22 before this season, right?

Give it a break.

Why do you bother?

We have one poster that just said that Melo is the third option out west, which if you have watched any OKC games so far, is not true..
Another poster said that Melo is holding the ball 5-7 seconds at OKC, also not true (would know that if you watch the games)..
AND ANOTHER that just posted that Melo's presence has stunted KP's growth in NY EVEN THOUGH KP's stats have gone up every year while in the league....playing with Melo.

They have to blame everything on Melo. Its the only way they can justify everything that has gone wrong with this organization the last few years.

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11/1/2017  1:54 PM
I credit the early success to a more "simplified" offense and (although not a flashy one) a REAL proven NBA Point guard.
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11/1/2017  1:56 PM
Uptown wrote:For the first time in yrs, no one in the organization has an agenda!
We finally have a GM and Prez that atcually prefer to be the GM and Prez and not the coach!
The Coach is being allowed to coach as he see's fit and doesn't have to look over his shoulder..
There's less confusion this yr and the players all seem to be on the same page.
Complete player buy in
No more pissing matches between star player and prez...
We are functioning like an actual stable organization for a change...
the coach is in charge of the team. The only guy the coach cant bench is KP, and he's coachable and most importantly plays defense. Last year 3 of the top 6 guys on the team in minutes didnt play D and could not be benched. Eventually one was cut but by that point the season was well done. Thats it. That simple.
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11/1/2017  2:00 PM
fishmike wrote:
Uptown wrote:For the first time in yrs, no one in the organization has an agenda!
We finally have a GM and Prez that atcually prefer to be the GM and Prez and not the coach!
The Coach is being allowed to coach as he see's fit and doesn't have to look over his shoulder..
There's less confusion this yr and the players all seem to be on the same page.
Complete player buy in
No more pissing matches between star player and prez...
We are functioning like an actual stable organization for a change...
the coach is in charge of the team. The only guy the coach cant bench is KP, and he's coachable and most importantly plays defense. Last year 3 of the top 6 guys on the team in minutes didnt play D and could not be benched. Eventually one was cut but by that point the season was well done. Thats it. That simple.

No lies were told...

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11/1/2017  2:07 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Wow, we have better players, and we play better. Imagine that.

THJr hits shots.
Kanter hits shots.
Frickin Jarret Jack is hitting shots.
KP playing out of his mind. With 5 whole assists in 6 games.

Right, must be all about Melo being gone. SMH.

There is a valid argument to be made, not necessarily won, but made, that an offense that has more movement is more conducive to better, more open shots and players having a better rhythm, all which could positively affect FG%.

I will add that from a mental aspect, all the players will more likely buy in when they know the ball will find them. Also when they see that playing hard on D works, they tend to try harder there too.

Melo holding the ball and not hustling on D, wore this team down.

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