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10/25/2017  2:07 PM
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GustavBahler wrote:If Hornacek is fired during the season, who you going to make head coach, Rambis? Because coaches don't usually agree (like never) to step in from outside the organization and take another head coach's job during the season.

Like I said in another thread, this is a PG driven problem that one of Hornacek's assistants would also have to deal with.

Face it, unless Frank turns on the jets and blows everyone away with his progress, the offense is going to need a lot of work.

I have no problem with the Knicks swapping out one or more of our PGs (not Frank) for another stop gap PG, just not someone with Bledsoe's medical history. And not someone wont drive or share the rock.

logic... does it have any place here?!?!?!

Agree except on Bledsoe. He really moves the needle. If he doesnt its next year and he's out. He would be a nice stop gap at worse, and we have all our picks. I wouldnt give up young drafted guys but I would swap Kanter and give them the Bull's pick.

Bledsoe moving the needle is what Im concerned about. Moving it enough to get a cap killing, long term deal. That never works out well for us. Dont want Perry and Mills to even be tempted to throw big money at Bledsoe. Much too risky.

Moving it enough to push us into no-mans-land and the 10th pick in the draft As disgusting as the Knicks product looks right now, and tough as it is to stomach, we need to keep this roster and lame duck coach? in tac and hopefully we secure a top 3 pick.

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10/25/2017  2:21 PM
Uptown wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:If Hornacek is fired during the season, who you going to make head coach, Rambis? Because coaches don't usually agree (like never) to step in from outside the organization and take another head coach's job during the season.

Like I said in another thread, this is a PG driven problem that one of Hornacek's assistants would also have to deal with.

Face it, unless Frank turns on the jets and blows everyone away with his progress, the offense is going to need a lot of work.

I have no problem with the Knicks swapping out one or more of our PGs (not Frank) for another stop gap PG, just not someone with Bledsoe's medical history. And not someone wont drive or share the rock.

logic... does it have any place here?!?!?!

Agree except on Bledsoe. He really moves the needle. If he doesnt its next year and he's out. He would be a nice stop gap at worse, and we have all our picks. I wouldnt give up young drafted guys but I would swap Kanter and give them the Bull's pick.

Bledsoe moving the needle is what Im concerned about. Moving it enough to get a cap killing, long term deal. That never works out well for us. Dont want Perry and Mills to even be tempted to throw big money at Bledsoe. Much too risky.

Moving it enough to push us into no-mans-land and the 10th pick in the draft As disgusting as the Knicks product looks right now, and tough as it is to stomach, we need to keep this roster and lame duck coach? in tac and hopefully we secure a top 3 pick.

Ive been a proponent of the Knicks trying to make the playoffs, not tanking. But not by getting a player like Bledsoe. I do believe that if we had a decent starting PG in place from day one, this team could make the playoffs. Pretty sure they would figure things out.

Don't want to see the Knicks go down the same road that Phil did when he brought in Rose and Noah. Would rather go for a high pick and let KP learn how to carry a team. Draft smart, upgrade the PG postion, if Frank needs more time, and work on a better balanced team. I believe that would impress KP, make him want to stay.

If Hornacek is gone after this season, I hope his replacement is someone the players feel has their back.

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10/25/2017  3:45 PM
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10/25/2017  3:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/25/2017  3:47 PM
anrst wrote:Rick Pitino

lol..

why not bring back jeff

van gundy that is

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10/25/2017  4:05 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
anrst wrote:Rick Pitino

lol..

why not bring back jeff

van gundy that is

You really asking?

He wouldn't come back in a million years.

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10/25/2017  4:48 PM
We will need a coach with an alpha dog mentality with basketball brains to match--when he speaks players listen and execute. We also have a lightweight front office--we need another mind who gets Dolans ear as well. Something between a Pat Riley and Brad Stevens--no more of these retread NBA coaches.
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10/25/2017  4:50 PM
I think when Phil was let go Perry should have been given the chance to bring in his own coaching staff. The locker room was really bad last year. Starting fresh with a coach that has the same vision as the gm would have been the best approach in my opinion. The Knicks wasted training camp and at least part of this season on a guy that is a place holder at this point. Replacing Jeff in season will be hard. I have to think if Jeff is let go Kurt is as well. I am not sure who on the staff would take over. However, one or two more games like last night over the next week might be enough to get Jeff fired.
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10/25/2017  4:50 PM
anrst wrote:Rick Pitino

That is not bad--Im not sure he would do it. He also had his bad moments with some of his hybrid style.

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10/25/2017  5:01 PM
There is a rumors in Latvia that Latvian team head coach is talking with some NBA teams, dont know if Knicks are one of that team
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10/25/2017  5:26 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
anrst wrote:Rick Pitino

lol..

why not bring back jeff

van gundy that is

You really asking?

He wouldn't come back in a million years.

he would if we had real basketball dudes in the FO.

I was just reading up on scotty perry's Orlando magic tenure...I didn't realize he was really bad with them. For 5 yrs he didn't make one significant move to change the culture.

soooo why are we gun hoe about him again, because I know very little about perry other than he's a stand up guy, has some experience with the pistons championship (dumars work).

his resume is pretty bland

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10/25/2017  5:35 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
anrst wrote:Rick Pitino

lol..

why not bring back jeff

van gundy that is

You really asking?

He wouldn't come back in a million years.

he would if we had real basketball dudes in the FO.

He isn't coming back so long as Dolan is the CEO, which means he's not coming back.

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10/25/2017  5:41 PM
Gudris wrote:There is a rumors in Latvia that Latvian team head coach is talking with some NBA teams, dont know if Knicks are one of that team

We dont need Lativia coach who has absolutely no connection to US players. We need Brad Stevens type who knows how to game plan and puts guys in the position to succeed--and will lsten. When this year is done and who cares about it as long as we win 15 games--at some point someone smart is going to move Willy G for an athletic wing and move KP to C. KP for the good of the team will need to shut up and listen. He needs less bad shots more rebounds passing and defense. In a 4-1 set at C he will get beautiful shots and his FG% will move up.


MOve KP to 5
Sign Isiaiah Thomas(if healthy)
draft Mike Porter(4 man)
trade Willy G for the draft rights to M Bridges (3 man)

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10/25/2017  5:48 PM
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Gudris wrote:There is a rumors in Latvia that Latvian team head coach is talking with some NBA teams, dont know if Knicks are one of that team

We dont need Lativia coach who has absolutely no connection to US players. We need Brad Stevens type who knows how to game plan and puts guys in the position to succeed--and will lsten. When this year is done and who cares about it as long as we win 15 games--at some point someone smart is going to move Willy G for an athletic wing and move KP to C. KP for the good of the team will need to shut up and listen. He needs less bad shots more rebounds passing and defense. In a 4-1 set at C he will get beautiful shots and his FG% will move up.


MOve KP to 5
Sign Isiaiah Thomas(if healthy)
draft Mike Porter(4 man)
trade Willy G for the draft rights to M Bridges (3 man)

Bread Stevens type.... Who? We need a magic Johnson type point guard.... a Kevin Durant type small fwd. That's about the dumbest **** fans say.

Just say you don't know who they should get..... but you like Brad Stevens and you wish we had him. If you ha be a specific name. Then fine. If you don't just be quiet

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10/25/2017  6:02 PM
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10/25/2017  8:46 PM
We all know Blatt is in the wings, but i don't think he would be much better
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10/25/2017  9:21 PM
knicks1248 wrote:We all know Blatt is in the wings, but i don't think he would be much better

Smart coach, but Im guessing he would go over as well as Rambis because of his personality. Dont want a coach to be the players' best buddy, but I would like to see them hire a coach who knows how to get players to buy in. It isnt enough to know Xs and Os. Thats probably why Blatt isnt in the league right now.

As as assistant, if another coach wanted to hire him thats different. Let him learn how to gel with NBA players first. Build a rep (somewhere) with star players. Word will get out.

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10/25/2017  9:29 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:We all know Blatt is in the wings, but i don't think he would be much better

Smart coach, but Im guessing he would go over as well as Rambis because of his personality. Dont want a coach to be the players' best buddy, but I would like to see them hire a coach who knows how to get players to buy in. It isnt enough to know Xs and Os. Thats probably why Blatt isnt in the league right now.

As as assistant, if another coach wanted to hire him thats different. Let him learn how to gel with NBA players first. Build a rep (somewhere) with star players. Word will get out.

Corey Gaines is probably the best candidate on the staff.
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10/26/2017  5:21 AM
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Gudris wrote:There is a rumors in Latvia that Latvian team head coach is talking with some NBA teams, dont know if Knicks are one of that team


We dont need Lativia coach who has absolutely no connection to US players.

iam pretty sure he will start as assistant, but was there before any european coach in NBA ?

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10/26/2017  6:03 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Gudris wrote:There is a rumors in Latvia that Latvian team head coach is talking with some NBA teams, dont know if Knicks are one of that team

We dont need Lativia coach who has absolutely no connection to US players. We need Brad Stevens type who knows how to game plan and puts guys in the position to succeed--and will lsten. When this year is done and who cares about it as long as we win 15 games--at some point someone smart is going to move Willy G for an athletic wing and move KP to C. KP for the good of the team will need to shut up and listen. He needs less bad shots more rebounds passing and defense. In a 4-1 set at C he will get beautiful shots and his FG% will move up.


MOve KP to 5
Sign Isiaiah Thomas(if healthy)
draft Mike Porter(4 man)
trade Willy G for the draft rights to M Bridges (3 man)

So the plan is to trade Willy for a pick worth more than his value and hope we get the first pick. I'm on board but it seems a little unlikely.
Another problem is we will get killed on defense up front. Kp will be a tough player to build around just like Melo because he doesn't have a pure position on defense and he is a black hole on offense. As talented of a 1 on 1 player KP is he won't make his teammates better. Whoever plays up front with KP will need to be able to rebound, have the girth to guard centers and be able to chase stretch 4's and have the ability to run an offense through them in the post. Basically we need Draymond Green, and I though the list of wings that we needed to play with Melo was short

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10/26/2017  7:02 AM
Extrapolate the present into the near future; If the Knicks don’t win, JH is toast.
Can’t say i agree with Knick1248’s reasoning, but he is not wrong. IF the team can’t find its way, he has to go.
Rambis has to provide an improvement. Or he goes too.

Thread is about “Anyone is Better, even people we never heard of!” That’s typical sports fan rhetoric.
But bottom line is If JH can’t get the team organized and execute the schematic, well then.....

Anger sells, don't buy!
It's JUST a matter of time before JH is fired

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