Willie is needed to move the damn ball. What the F is Jeff doing is he coaching out of his ass because he doesn’t get Phil has been preaching to him for whole damn year ball movement. Jeff wake the F up of get the hell out. I don’t mind losing but lose with your damn best players out there.

reub wrote:Willie will eventually be the starter. We need to showcase Kanter for the first month so that we can trade him. At least that's what I'm hoping.

I dont even think Kanter is playing as well as he used to with other teams. He used to have a beauty of a 16 footer. Vmart is right-- I dont see a material difference starting Kanter or playing him 20 minutes of the bench--he is who he is. If were going to lose--lets develop the guys who will be here. I still think Willy "might" be our best player. Vmart is dead on with the ball movement and spacing--its atrocious. If anyone plays basketball the right way on this team its Willy G.

Also hes right with how our main players are not sharing the ball. I said this while KP was scoring 30--he needs to pass the ball to be the top guy--3 assists in 3 games? What do they do in practice--play 1-1? It's ok to lose games--but lets have a purpose while losing.

Vmart wrote:

nychamp wrote:How about the fact that Kanter is one of the only guys competing out there? Plus, he is a much, much better player than Willy at this point. Willy can hope to one day have Kanter's offensive polish. Willy should get more minutes yes, but start? Unless you're thinking full on obvious tank? I want them to go out and compete to win games. The losing will take care of itself this year, don't worry.

Willie makes everyone better. Kanter has been impressive but man is putting up shots with three guy around him. There is absolutely no passing element in his game. I don’t see how he is that much better than Willie in fact Willie is better than Kanter by a wide margin simply by making others better. I’m willing to cut the rotation short to get a three man rotation between Willie, KP and Kanter. Willie is as god if not better than Kanter.

Our 3 "big" have absolutely no passing skills. How many assist for all 3--my bet is combined they average around 1 each--maybe.

Vmart wrote:

nychamp wrote:How about the fact that Kanter is one of the only guys competing out there? Plus, he is a much, much better player than Willy at this point. Willy can hope to one day have Kanter's offensive polish. Willy should get more minutes yes, but start? Unless you're thinking full on obvious tank? I want them to go out and compete to win games. The losing will take care of itself this year, don't worry.

Willie makes everyone better. Kanter has been impressive but man is putting up shots with three guy around him. There is absolutely no passing element in his game. I don’t see how he is that much better than Willie in fact Willie is better than Kanter by a wide margin simply by making others better. I’m willing to cut the rotation short to get a three man rotation between Willie, KP and Kanter. Willie is as god if not better than Kanter.

Kanter would still be a scoring asset on the second unit.

Hornacek is a horrible coach.

No team is gonna be suckered into trading anything good for OQuinn or Kanter. Showcase all you want. Knicks are fools.

knicks1248 wrote:I don't see how you guys just look pass his horrid defense after beating melo to death regarding his. His pick and roll defense is like a 12 yr old.

He leaves his man and chases the ball handler on almost every single P&R, either giving up a 3, a lay up, a foul(because he's late on the roll) or a and 1.

willy is a good player, just not for this team, not for this system, he shouldn't be develop by a-no-defense coaching staff, and around 9 other piss poor defenders

Ill make it easy... Willy should play defense more like these guys _______________ (fill in blank with young big men)

BRIGGS wrote:

Vmart wrote:

nychamp wrote:How about the fact that Kanter is one of the only guys competing out there? Plus, he is a much, much better player than Willy at this point. Willy can hope to one day have Kanter's offensive polish. Willy should get more minutes yes, but start? Unless you're thinking full on obvious tank? I want them to go out and compete to win games. The losing will take care of itself this year, don't worry.

Willie makes everyone better. Kanter has been impressive but man is putting up shots with three guy around him. There is absolutely no passing element in his game. I don’t see how he is that much better than Willie in fact Willie is better than Kanter by a wide margin simply by making others better. I’m willing to cut the rotation short to get a three man rotation between Willie, KP and Kanter. Willie is as god if not better than Kanter.

Our 3 "big" have absolutely no passing skills. How many assist for all 3--my bet is combined they average around 1 each--maybe.

Wow. This is the nost way off post game thread i habe seen. If a team is counting on their 4 and 5's to be the fascilitators, they are in trouble. Kanter is doing his job! 19 rebounds! 16 tough lunch pail point! Only guy that wasnt sulking or stinking up the joint.

Nah. You guys are way off. How bout ****ty SG play. KP and Timmy shooting terribly. That's all. Willy would not have and will not change anything.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I don't see how you guys just look pass his horrid defense after beating melo to death regarding his. His pick and roll defense is like a 12 yr old.

He leaves his man and chases the ball handler on almost every single P&R, either giving up a 3, a lay up, a foul(because he's late on the roll) or a and 1.

willy is a good player, just not for this team, not for this system, he shouldn't be develop by a-no-defense coaching staff, and around 9 other piss poor defenders

Why dont you throw a list out of there of big guys in their first or second years who are good pick and roll defenders. Please.. just throw a couple out there. Please entertain us.

Ill make it easy... Willy should play defense more like these guys _______________ (fill in blank with young big men)

FISH LETS BE REAL, bad defenders hardly every become good ones, unless they are being coached by jvg/thibs type coaching staff, they also have to spend a lot of time playing with defensive minded players across the board.

If you disagree with that it's because your being BIAS, or just hate to agree with me on anything even when I agree with you on certain things.

You know we don't have a defensive minded coaching staff(as much as they try to act that way), so it doesn't matter what yr he's in 2nd, 3rd, or 4th. He's a product of his environment.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Vmart wrote:Jeff is absolutely dropping the ball. He has three black hole players out there in THJ, Kanter and KP. Willie is needed to keep the passing balance that translate to ball movement. He is the only one adept to pass out of the post. KP is horrific as is Kanter. If KP doesn’t start moving the ball he will have become his mentor. THJ is nothing short of atrocious.

Willie is needed to move the damn ball. What the F is Jeff doing is he coaching out of his ass because he doesn’t get Phil has been preaching to him for whole damn year ball movement. Jeff wake the F up of get the hell out. I don’t mind losing but lose with your damn best players out there.

Lmao. A Melo dig. Guess you praised him last 2 games when KP was very good.

Did you watch the game? Kanter was the ONLY positive. You could have literally started a thread complaining about every and anything else and been right. The guy was a beast. Super active, and had 19 F..ing rebounds!! Yet you think Willie's ability to pass would have changed anything?

I didn’t praise KP in the first two games. You probably want to know why. It’s simple he wasn’t making anyone better. He didn’t pass the ball well enough to merit praise. He had a nice individual game.

You said something about the 4-5 guys being facilitators shouldn’t they be facilitators when hey are in a set. Shouldn’t all five player be facilitators when they are in an offensive set, so a right play can be executed or should the PG do it all the time.

Did I take a dig at Melo if telling a truth is a dig, KP better change his act because if that is his role model he needs to look at better option for role models. Somethings learned about KP physical play rattled him started missing free throws lost focus and forced shots trying to get his. I don’t blame him totally I expect the coach to make adjustments which never happened.