EnySpree wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:No we need to calm down.
I kind of dont get this organization.(ongoing)
How come a "good team" Memphis is playing Dillon Brooks big minutes(picked after dotson) while Dotson and Willy are nOT playing and were a supposed lottery team? We can use 4 guys at C-PF Willy can play back up 4 man for KP--HP doesnt need to play 38 minutes on this team?? C Lee is who C Lee is Sessions THJ all the same thing--give Dotson PT and see what he can do. And dont stone Willy out?

+1 million. Time to satisfy egos and justify contract $$ is gone. That's what we did somewhat with Melo. New culture needs some drastic changes.

Sounds good but the team has to get better. Our point guards suck. We have 4 servicable centers right now. We gotta move someone.... if we trade Willy for Rozier, Rozier would start for us right away and make us a better team. It's about team guys... Gotta put your personal affection for certain players aside. It's all aboot the Knicks, not one player. That's what we did with Melo too. We gotta stop that nonsense

it's not nonsense actually. i dont see Kanter in our long term plans and if that's the case, we should be moving him at any cost to clear logjam. that's why i think the approach to play willy is important. disgruntled kanter asks for a trade, someone takes him and his contract on, we get picks, i'd rather take that approach because short of an all star wing player, us becoming marginally better this year doesn't buy us anything.

if we had a higher pick last year....tatum could have been our pick, not frenchie frankie.

also what are you expecting to happen when noah comes back after 12 games? if this play of kanter is simply to showcase him for the first 12 games i am fine with it, but he does need to be traded to clear logjam, since no one's taking noah on.

Cartman718 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:No we need to calm down.
I kind of dont get this organization.(ongoing)
How come a "good team" Memphis is playing Dillon Brooks big minutes(picked after dotson) while Dotson and Willy are nOT playing and were a supposed lottery team? We can use 4 guys at C-PF Willy can play back up 4 man for KP--HP doesnt need to play 38 minutes on this team?? C Lee is who C Lee is Sessions THJ all the same thing--give Dotson PT and see what he can do. And dont stone Willy out?

+1 million. Time to satisfy egos and justify contract $$ is gone. That's what we did somewhat with Melo. New culture needs some drastic changes.

Sounds good but the team has to get better. Our point guards suck. We have 4 servicable centers right now. We gotta move someone.... if we trade Willy for Rozier, Rozier would start for us right away and make us a better team. It's about team guys... Gotta put your personal affection for certain players aside. It's all aboot the Knicks, not one player. That's what we did with Melo too. We gotta stop that nonsense

it's not nonsense actually. i dont see Kanter in our long term plans and if that's the case, we should be moving him at any cost to clear logjam. that's why i think the approach to play willy is important. disgruntled kanter asks for a trade, someone takes him and his contract on, we get picks, i'd rather take that approach because short of an all star wing player, us becoming marginally better this year doesn't buy us anything.

if we had a higher pick last year....tatum could have been our pick, not frenchie frankie.

also what are you expecting to happen when noah comes back after 12 games? if this play of kanter is simply to showcase him for the first 12 games i am fine with it, but he does need to be traded to clear logjam, since no one's taking noah on.

Who is trading for Kanter? Thats what it comes down to. If you can identify a team that can use a center at his price point that gives us something good in return then you have an argument. I mentioned Dallas and Atlanta. Those teams have nothing that well help us. Bazemore for Kanter? Yuck

EnySpree wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:No we need to calm down.
I kind of dont get this organization.(ongoing)
How come a "good team" Memphis is playing Dillon Brooks big minutes(picked after dotson) while Dotson and Willy are nOT playing and were a supposed lottery team? We can use 4 guys at C-PF Willy can play back up 4 man for KP--HP doesnt need to play 38 minutes on this team?? C Lee is who C Lee is Sessions THJ all the same thing--give Dotson PT and see what he can do. And dont stone Willy out?

+1 million. Time to satisfy egos and justify contract $$ is gone. That's what we did somewhat with Melo. New culture needs some drastic changes.

Sounds good but the team has to get better. Our point guards suck. We have 4 servicable centers right now. We gotta move someone.... if we trade Willy for Rozier, Rozier would start for us right away and make us a better team. It's about team guys... Gotta put your personal affection for certain players aside. It's all aboot the Knicks, not one player. That's what we did with Melo too. We gotta stop that nonsense

it's not nonsense actually. i dont see Kanter in our long term plans and if that's the case, we should be moving him at any cost to clear logjam. that's why i think the approach to play willy is important. disgruntled kanter asks for a trade, someone takes him and his contract on, we get picks, i'd rather take that approach because short of an all star wing player, us becoming marginally better this year doesn't buy us anything.

if we had a higher pick last year....tatum could have been our pick, not frenchie frankie.

also what are you expecting to happen when noah comes back after 12 games? if this play of kanter is simply to showcase him for the first 12 games i am fine with it, but he does need to be traded to clear logjam, since no one's taking noah on.

Who is trading for Kanter? Thats what it comes down to. If you can identify a team that can use a center at his price point that gives us something good in return then you have an argument. I mentioned Dallas and Atlanta. Those teams have nothing that well help us. Bazemore for Kanter? Yuck

Dallas Mavericks are a good option for Kanter. Gives them leverage against Noel and adds talent without giving up to much. This is a 100% Cuban type of move. They kind of suck right now.

If im reading spotrac right they seem to have cap space available to eat his deal without having to match salaries.

Kanter & Lee for Mcroberts, Matthews, Harris & a future protected pick. Would clean up our cap for 19-20

WaltLongmire wrote:You dump Willy for a guy like Bledsoe, who cannot lead a young and very talented roster, and not only do you have to put up with Bledsoe and lose Willy...

...but you will lose KP.

Sorry, but this is foolish, from a basketball standpoint and you risk alienating your franchise star. Makes no sense.

Yeah, but dis b da Nix

EnySpree wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:LOL

Seriously, I think he is better than 6th man but the men in front of him are doing well too. Hopefully, Willy can have a chance to prove he has what it takes to be a starting center.

EnySpree wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Can't trade him. We are trying to build a future. He is our long term 6th man. O'quinn will be traded.

did you say long term 6th man?

Think is how can we worry about a 6th man when we don't have a legit small fwd or a point guard? We had be 4 servicable centers. 4 guys that could start if we needed them to. We can't say that at point guard or small forward.... We need to move someone to improve in other areas.

4 of them shouldn’t start. Ask yourself of the 4 - in 3 years— who can take you to the Eastern conf finals? Not Kanter, not Oq, not Noah. WILY ? not today but in 3 years hes got a chance.

Knickoftime wrote:

Paris907 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:No reason to trade him right now at least. Right now his trade value isn't that high as it could be because he is being stapled to the bench(which is obviously am upset about)

I actually think his value is as high as its ever gonna be. Everyone sees his per 36 min stats. They see him in Eurobasketball. They know he's KPs boy. Right now he can get us Rozier who's a fantastic up and coming player himself. If Willy was playing now, I think his value would drop. Kid is the Frankenstein monster. Looks coordinated and good often but clumsy and stiff too.

Ainge screwed up by losing A Brady. He’s not gonna trade either Rozier or Smart but If he would I’d move Kanter in a New York minute to dump his contract and his lack of D. Ainge won’t bite.

There's no Boston fit. For Kantner, Smart, Rozier and Brown doesn't even meet CBA requirements.

Kantner to Boston is a nonstarter. The pieces don't exist.

Willy for Rozier does make sense though. Salaries alone match. Celtics have excess pgs... they need a center. The Knicks have excess centers... We need a point guard.

If we still wanted to trade Kanter we still could. KOQ and Noah are still on the roster

Paris907 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:LOL

Seriously, I think he is better than 6th man but the men in front of him are doing well too. Hopefully, Willy can have a chance to prove he has what it takes to be a starting center.

EnySpree wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Can't trade him. We are trying to build a future. He is our long term 6th man. O'quinn will be traded.

did you say long term 6th man?

Think is how can we worry about a 6th man when we don't have a legit small fwd or a point guard? We had be 4 servicable centers. 4 guys that could start if we needed them to. We can't say that at point guard or small forward.... We need to move someone to improve in other areas.

4 of them shouldn’t start. Ask yourself of the 4 - in 3 years— who can take you to the Eastern conf finals? Not Kanter, not Oq, not Noah. WILY ? not today but in 3 years hes got a chance.

We're going to the eastern conference finals? I just said we could start them if we needed to. We can afford to trade 2 of them. Willy can bring the most back for us.... We need a small fwd or a point guard. That's all that matters.

knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:You dump Willy for a guy like Bledsoe, who cannot lead a young and very talented roster, and not only do you have to put up with Bledsoe and lose Willy...

...but you will lose KP.

Sorry, but this is foolish, from a basketball standpoint and you risk alienating your franchise star. Makes no sense.

you think kp would prefers to win, or lose with is friend.

I think he wants to win more than anything, and the suns are not that talented at all, aside from booker and Bledsoe.

They just loss 2 games by 40 points each game, and the coach said he needs to see a little bit more effort..A LITTLE BIT>>>lol

The 'KP is going to leave narrative' is a new low for Knicks fans.