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10/24/2017  11:31 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:I would trade Kanter and some scraps for Bledsoe. It would resolve our logjam at center issues. But i agree with others that said he isn't anything special. I just looked at his similarity scores on basketball reference:


Player Sim 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Eric Bledsoe 7.0 5.3 4.1 3.7 2.5 0.3 0.2
Eric Murdock 92.3 7.2 6.1 4.3 4.1 2.5 0.6 0.3
Bobby Phills 91.9 7.1 5.0 4.0 3.5 3.2 -0.1 -0.1
Charlie Ward 91.6 7.1 5.5 3.9 3.6 3.1 1.0 -0.2
Craig Hodges 88.3 6.0 5.3 4.3 2.9 2.4 0.8 0.5
Mike James 88.3 7.6 5.2 4.3 2.8 1.8 0.3 0.0
Jim Cleamons 88.1 7.1 5.5 3.8 2.7 2.6 1.7 0.1
Larry Drew 87.8 7.2 4.6 3.6 3.0 2.8 0.1 0.0
Luke Ridnour 87.5 6.2 5.4 4.4 3.4 2.3 1.2 0.9
J.R. Smith 86.7 5.8 5.0 3.7 3.7 2.7 1.2 0.2
Travis Best 86.6 7.2 5.1 4.1 3.4 3.3 2.1 0.7

I'm not going nuts to trade for Charlie Ward. We originally signed JR Smith for peanuts. In truth, I would be against dealing Kanter if three of our better players didn't play the same position, and a 4th one coming who is signed to a huge deal. We can't pump up Noah's value if that logjam doesn't get addressed.

Doesn't the prospect of the Knicks giving Bledsoe a cap killing, long term, deal concern you at all? Wouldn't be out of character, it would be business as usual. Thats the main thing that will be on Bledsoe's mind. Just like it was for Rose.

Both knees had major surgery, and Bledsoe was shut down with a few months to go, last season. You just added more evidence why we should pass on him as well. Im really surprised so many posters are willing to throw caution to the wind, after a couple of games. Worries me that Perry is even thinking of adding Bledsoe after the speeches about thinking long term.

Nothing long term about a player with two blown knees.

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10/24/2017  11:34 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I would trade Kanter and some scraps for Bledsoe. It would resolve our logjam at center issues. But i agree with others that said he isn't anything special. I just looked at his similarity scores on basketball reference:


Player Sim 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Eric Bledsoe 7.0 5.3 4.1 3.7 2.5 0.3 0.2
Eric Murdock 92.3 7.2 6.1 4.3 4.1 2.5 0.6 0.3
Bobby Phills 91.9 7.1 5.0 4.0 3.5 3.2 -0.1 -0.1
Charlie Ward 91.6 7.1 5.5 3.9 3.6 3.1 1.0 -0.2
Craig Hodges 88.3 6.0 5.3 4.3 2.9 2.4 0.8 0.5
Mike James 88.3 7.6 5.2 4.3 2.8 1.8 0.3 0.0
Jim Cleamons 88.1 7.1 5.5 3.8 2.7 2.6 1.7 0.1
Larry Drew 87.8 7.2 4.6 3.6 3.0 2.8 0.1 0.0
Luke Ridnour 87.5 6.2 5.4 4.4 3.4 2.3 1.2 0.9
J.R. Smith 86.7 5.8 5.0 3.7 3.7 2.7 1.2 0.2
Travis Best 86.6 7.2 5.1 4.1 3.4 3.3 2.1 0.7

I'm not going nuts to trade for Charlie Ward. We originally signed JR Smith for peanuts. In truth, I would be against dealing Kanter if three of our better players didn't play the same position, and a 4th one coming who is signed to a huge deal. We can't pump up Noah's value if that logjam doesn't get addressed.

Doesn't the prospect of the Knicks giving Bledsoe a cap killing, long term, deal concern you at all? Wouldn't be out of character, it would be business as usual. Thats the main thing that will be on Bledsoe's mind. Just like it was for Rose.

Both knees had major surgery, and Bledsoe was shut down with a few months to go, last season. You just added more evidence why we should pass on him as well. Im really surprised so many posters are willing to throw caution to the wind, after a couple of games. Worries me that Perry is even thinking of adding Bledsoe after the speeches about thinking long term.

Nothing long term about a player with two blown knees.

Don't really follow the Suns but I think it has been suggested that Bledsoe was also shut down last year to tank. Could have been injury related last year IDK.

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10/24/2017  11:38 AM
martin wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I would trade Kanter and some scraps for Bledsoe. It would resolve our logjam at center issues. But i agree with others that said he isn't anything special. I just looked at his similarity scores on basketball reference:


Player Sim 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Eric Bledsoe 7.0 5.3 4.1 3.7 2.5 0.3 0.2
Eric Murdock 92.3 7.2 6.1 4.3 4.1 2.5 0.6 0.3
Bobby Phills 91.9 7.1 5.0 4.0 3.5 3.2 -0.1 -0.1
Charlie Ward 91.6 7.1 5.5 3.9 3.6 3.1 1.0 -0.2
Craig Hodges 88.3 6.0 5.3 4.3 2.9 2.4 0.8 0.5
Mike James 88.3 7.6 5.2 4.3 2.8 1.8 0.3 0.0
Jim Cleamons 88.1 7.1 5.5 3.8 2.7 2.6 1.7 0.1
Larry Drew 87.8 7.2 4.6 3.6 3.0 2.8 0.1 0.0
Luke Ridnour 87.5 6.2 5.4 4.4 3.4 2.3 1.2 0.9
J.R. Smith 86.7 5.8 5.0 3.7 3.7 2.7 1.2 0.2
Travis Best 86.6 7.2 5.1 4.1 3.4 3.3 2.1 0.7

I'm not going nuts to trade for Charlie Ward. We originally signed JR Smith for peanuts. In truth, I would be against dealing Kanter if three of our better players didn't play the same position, and a 4th one coming who is signed to a huge deal. We can't pump up Noah's value if that logjam doesn't get addressed.

Doesn't the prospect of the Knicks giving Bledsoe a cap killing, long term, deal concern you at all? Wouldn't be out of character, it would be business as usual. Thats the main thing that will be on Bledsoe's mind. Just like it was for Rose.

Both knees had major surgery, and Bledsoe was shut down with a few months to go, last season. You just added more evidence why we should pass on him as well. Im really surprised so many posters are willing to throw caution to the wind, after a couple of games. Worries me that Perry is even thinking of adding Bledsoe after the speeches about thinking long term.

Nothing long term about a player with two blown knees.

Don't really follow the Suns but I think it has been suggested that Bledsoe was also shut down last year to tank. Could have been injury related last year IDK.

You might be right, or it could be a little of both. Either way, Bledsoe looks like a red flag player to me, if there ever was one.

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10/24/2017  11:39 AM
martin wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I would trade Kanter and some scraps for Bledsoe. It would resolve our logjam at center issues. But i agree with others that said he isn't anything special. I just looked at his similarity scores on basketball reference:


Player Sim 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Eric Bledsoe 7.0 5.3 4.1 3.7 2.5 0.3 0.2
Eric Murdock 92.3 7.2 6.1 4.3 4.1 2.5 0.6 0.3
Bobby Phills 91.9 7.1 5.0 4.0 3.5 3.2 -0.1 -0.1
Charlie Ward 91.6 7.1 5.5 3.9 3.6 3.1 1.0 -0.2
Craig Hodges 88.3 6.0 5.3 4.3 2.9 2.4 0.8 0.5
Mike James 88.3 7.6 5.2 4.3 2.8 1.8 0.3 0.0
Jim Cleamons 88.1 7.1 5.5 3.8 2.7 2.6 1.7 0.1
Larry Drew 87.8 7.2 4.6 3.6 3.0 2.8 0.1 0.0
Luke Ridnour 87.5 6.2 5.4 4.4 3.4 2.3 1.2 0.9
J.R. Smith 86.7 5.8 5.0 3.7 3.7 2.7 1.2 0.2
Travis Best 86.6 7.2 5.1 4.1 3.4 3.3 2.1 0.7

I'm not going nuts to trade for Charlie Ward. We originally signed JR Smith for peanuts. In truth, I would be against dealing Kanter if three of our better players didn't play the same position, and a 4th one coming who is signed to a huge deal. We can't pump up Noah's value if that logjam doesn't get addressed.

Doesn't the prospect of the Knicks giving Bledsoe a cap killing, long term, deal concern you at all? Wouldn't be out of character, it would be business as usual. Thats the main thing that will be on Bledsoe's mind. Just like it was for Rose.

Both knees had major surgery, and Bledsoe was shut down with a few months to go, last season. You just added more evidence why we should pass on him as well. Im really surprised so many posters are willing to throw caution to the wind, after a couple of games. Worries me that Perry is even thinking of adding Bledsoe after the speeches about thinking long term.

Nothing long term about a player with two blown knees.

Don't really follow the Suns but I think it has been suggested that Bledsoe was also shut down last year to tank. Could have been injury related last year IDK.

He was shut down along with every vet on the team down the stretch last season.

why would you be handcuff into given him a new deal if he doesn't pan out, I don't get the concerns

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10/24/2017  11:42 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I would trade Kanter and some scraps for Bledsoe. It would resolve our logjam at center issues. But i agree with others that said he isn't anything special. I just looked at his similarity scores on basketball reference:


Player Sim 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Eric Bledsoe 7.0 5.3 4.1 3.7 2.5 0.3 0.2
Eric Murdock 92.3 7.2 6.1 4.3 4.1 2.5 0.6 0.3
Bobby Phills 91.9 7.1 5.0 4.0 3.5 3.2 -0.1 -0.1
Charlie Ward 91.6 7.1 5.5 3.9 3.6 3.1 1.0 -0.2
Craig Hodges 88.3 6.0 5.3 4.3 2.9 2.4 0.8 0.5
Mike James 88.3 7.6 5.2 4.3 2.8 1.8 0.3 0.0
Jim Cleamons 88.1 7.1 5.5 3.8 2.7 2.6 1.7 0.1
Larry Drew 87.8 7.2 4.6 3.6 3.0 2.8 0.1 0.0
Luke Ridnour 87.5 6.2 5.4 4.4 3.4 2.3 1.2 0.9
J.R. Smith 86.7 5.8 5.0 3.7 3.7 2.7 1.2 0.2
Travis Best 86.6 7.2 5.1 4.1 3.4 3.3 2.1 0.7

I'm not going nuts to trade for Charlie Ward. We originally signed JR Smith for peanuts. In truth, I would be against dealing Kanter if three of our better players didn't play the same position, and a 4th one coming who is signed to a huge deal. We can't pump up Noah's value if that logjam doesn't get addressed.

Doesn't the prospect of the Knicks giving Bledsoe a cap killing, long term, deal concern you at all? Wouldn't be out of character, it would be business as usual. Thats the main thing that will be on Bledsoe's mind. Just like it was for Rose.

Both knees had major surgery, and Bledsoe was shut down with a few months to go, last season. You just added more evidence why we should pass on him as well. Im really surprised so many posters are willing to throw caution to the wind, after a couple of games. Worries me that Perry is even thinking of adding Bledsoe after the speeches about thinking long term.

Nothing long term about a player with two blown knees.

Don't really follow the Suns but I think it has been suggested that Bledsoe was also shut down last year to tank. Could have been injury related last year IDK.

He was shut down along with every vet on the team down the stretch last season.

why would you be handcuff into given him a new deal if he doesn't pan out, I don't get the concerns

Because you would have probably gave up assets for him that may be on the team long term or could have been used for another player who could be on the team long term.

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10/24/2017  11:48 AM
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martin wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I would trade Kanter and some scraps for Bledsoe. It would resolve our logjam at center issues. But i agree with others that said he isn't anything special. I just looked at his similarity scores on basketball reference:


Player Sim 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Eric Bledsoe 7.0 5.3 4.1 3.7 2.5 0.3 0.2
Eric Murdock 92.3 7.2 6.1 4.3 4.1 2.5 0.6 0.3
Bobby Phills 91.9 7.1 5.0 4.0 3.5 3.2 -0.1 -0.1
Charlie Ward 91.6 7.1 5.5 3.9 3.6 3.1 1.0 -0.2
Craig Hodges 88.3 6.0 5.3 4.3 2.9 2.4 0.8 0.5
Mike James 88.3 7.6 5.2 4.3 2.8 1.8 0.3 0.0
Jim Cleamons 88.1 7.1 5.5 3.8 2.7 2.6 1.7 0.1
Larry Drew 87.8 7.2 4.6 3.6 3.0 2.8 0.1 0.0
Luke Ridnour 87.5 6.2 5.4 4.4 3.4 2.3 1.2 0.9
J.R. Smith 86.7 5.8 5.0 3.7 3.7 2.7 1.2 0.2
Travis Best 86.6 7.2 5.1 4.1 3.4 3.3 2.1 0.7

I'm not going nuts to trade for Charlie Ward. We originally signed JR Smith for peanuts. In truth, I would be against dealing Kanter if three of our better players didn't play the same position, and a 4th one coming who is signed to a huge deal. We can't pump up Noah's value if that logjam doesn't get addressed.

Doesn't the prospect of the Knicks giving Bledsoe a cap killing, long term, deal concern you at all? Wouldn't be out of character, it would be business as usual. Thats the main thing that will be on Bledsoe's mind. Just like it was for Rose.

Both knees had major surgery, and Bledsoe was shut down with a few months to go, last season. You just added more evidence why we should pass on him as well. Im really surprised so many posters are willing to throw caution to the wind, after a couple of games. Worries me that Perry is even thinking of adding Bledsoe after the speeches about thinking long term.

Nothing long term about a player with two blown knees.

Don't really follow the Suns but I think it has been suggested that Bledsoe was also shut down last year to tank. Could have been injury related last year IDK.

He was shut down along with every vet on the team down the stretch last season.

why would you be handcuff into given him a new deal if he doesn't pan out, I don't get the concerns

Bledsoe might play well enough, stay healthy enough, to get a big, long term deal. Then given his medical history, start missing games left and right. Thats a nightmare scenario that could easily come to pass.

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10/24/2017  11:50 AM
Decent scorer. Doesn't do much else. Typical kind of player who gets overrated and overpaid.
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10/24/2017  11:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/24/2017  3:23 PM
We do have a logjam at Center which will get worse once Noah returns from his suspension.

We can't trade Kanter (or McDermott) until Nov 24th unless they are traded just by themselves.
So O'Quinn is the logical center to be traded. If Willy were to be traded it would have to be for something very, very good.


A possibility I believe Perry might be working on: The Knicks are playing O'Quinn to showcase him for a possible trade. He has been playing very well and the Knicks have been getting inquiries about him. So O'Q 's value is high to a contender but probably not for Phoenix who wants younger players for a re-build. So if Perry makes a move for Bledsoe it might mean a 3 way deal so OQ could go to a contender. Contender sends Phoenix young player(s) and/or a pick. We have to add salary to match Bledsoe's salary so that probably means CLee is moved in the same deal.....if this were to happen.

I am very glad we have Perry there to negotiate. He is very competent and won't do anything foolish. It is all possibilities right now.

Other players we can't trade until Dec 14th because we just signed them:
-Baker
-Beasley
-Hardaway
-Jack
-Sessions

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10/24/2017  12:29 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I would trade Kanter and some scraps for Bledsoe. It would resolve our logjam at center issues. But i agree with others that said he isn't anything special. I just looked at his similarity scores on basketball reference:


Player Sim 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Eric Bledsoe 7.0 5.3 4.1 3.7 2.5 0.3 0.2
Eric Murdock 92.3 7.2 6.1 4.3 4.1 2.5 0.6 0.3
Bobby Phills 91.9 7.1 5.0 4.0 3.5 3.2 -0.1 -0.1
Charlie Ward 91.6 7.1 5.5 3.9 3.6 3.1 1.0 -0.2
Craig Hodges 88.3 6.0 5.3 4.3 2.9 2.4 0.8 0.5
Mike James 88.3 7.6 5.2 4.3 2.8 1.8 0.3 0.0
Jim Cleamons 88.1 7.1 5.5 3.8 2.7 2.6 1.7 0.1
Larry Drew 87.8 7.2 4.6 3.6 3.0 2.8 0.1 0.0
Luke Ridnour 87.5 6.2 5.4 4.4 3.4 2.3 1.2 0.9
J.R. Smith 86.7 5.8 5.0 3.7 3.7 2.7 1.2 0.2
Travis Best 86.6 7.2 5.1 4.1 3.4 3.3 2.1 0.7

I'm not going nuts to trade for Charlie Ward. We originally signed JR Smith for peanuts. In truth, I would be against dealing Kanter if three of our better players didn't play the same position, and a 4th one coming who is signed to a huge deal. We can't pump up Noah's value if that logjam doesn't get addressed.

Doesn't the prospect of the Knicks giving Bledsoe a cap killing, long term, deal concern you at all? Wouldn't be out of character, it would be business as usual. Thats the main thing that will be on Bledsoe's mind. Just like it was for Rose.

Both knees had major surgery, and Bledsoe was shut down with a few months to go, last season. You just added more evidence why we should pass on him as well. Im really surprised so many posters are willing to throw caution to the wind, after a couple of games. Worries me that Perry is even thinking of adding Bledsoe after the speeches about thinking long term.

Nothing long term about a player with two blown knees.

yes, it concerns me greatly. I think/hope it was clear that I am not a big fan of Bledsoe's game. I think he's aight. And that isn't even factoring in his injury history. But what really concerns me is that our team is structured in such a way that we have to pray for Jeremy Lin to fall out from the rafters -- again.

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10/24/2017  12:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/24/2017  12:49 PM
Markji wrote:We do have a logjam at Center which will get worse once Noah returns from his suspension.

We can't trade Kanter (or McDermott)until Nov 24th[/u] unless they are traded just by themselves.
So O'Quinn is the logical center to be traded. If Willy were to be traded it would have to be for something very, very good.


A possibility I believe Perry might be working on: The Knicks are playing O'Quinn to showcase him for a possible trade. He has been playing very well and the Knicks have been getting inquiries about him. So O'Q 's value is high to a contender but probably not for Phoenix who wants younger players for a re-build. So if Perry makes a move for Bledsoe it might mean a 3 way deal so OQ could go to a contender. Contender sends Phoenix young player(s) and/or a pick. We have to add salary to match Bledsoe's salary so that probably means CLee is moved in the same deal.....if this were to happen.

I am very glad we have Perry there to negotiate. He is very competent and won't do anything foolish. It is all possibilities right now.

Other players we can't trade until Dec 14th because we just signed them:
Baker
Beasley
Hardaway
Jack
Sessions

I definitely believe the Knicks are showcasing KOQ. KOQ and Lance Thomas works for Bledsoe. KOQ and Courtney Lee works. Sign me up for either, but does anyone think that PHX would actually bite on either? They let PJ Tucker walk, so I can't see them being interested in LT. I think KOQ and Courtney Lee might be a great veteran talent infusion to help their yoots develop but it also takes minutes away

fishmike said: Yes. Sometimes I confuse the alerts with when your mom calls. BTW she said defensive guards are really important.
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10/24/2017  12:54 PM
If PHO is trading a PG wouldn't they at least want one in return?

Am I right in saying that Sessions/Baker can't be traded until Dec?

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10/24/2017  1:04 PM
In the summer Bledsoe almost went to Denver for Mudiay. If I had to bet a bottom dollar --those talks will be at the top of the food chain. I really do not know what Eric bledsoe can do for us without Carmelo. We WANT to win less than 20 games. Why would we want to give up ANYONE young--because thats what its going to take--atleast 1 of them--and Bledsoe (while certainly highly talented) is also greatly injury prone and isnt the type of PG that we need imho.
We have pick 30-33 with Chicago--well have a pick in the top 10 and hopefully higher. I am SUPREMELY confident we can find another very good PG while Frank and Baker develop.
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10/24/2017  1:30 PM
My cousin lives in Phx and I see a few games a year - Bledsoe would be great on a team like the Cavs. On the Knicks - even if he holds up physically - he dominates the ball and doesn't seem to have great passing instincts. While we need better PG play, I think we should take our lumps and let KP develop. Really think Bledsoe would take away from KP establishing himself as the team leader this season. Understand the concern about KP wanting to win soon before contract expires - but we can't skip this year's growing pains. If we could get involved in a 3 way deal - would focus on trying to pry TJ Warren for any of the following (Kanter, C.Lee, O'Quinn, Kuz). Kanter is playing well but is fools gold... poor defense, slow and not a good fit next to KP. Would rather take our chance with Willy, even though his defense is not great either...
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10/24/2017  1:44 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I would trade Kanter and some scraps for Bledsoe. It would resolve our logjam at center issues. But i agree with others that said he isn't anything special. I just looked at his similarity scores on basketball reference:


Player Sim 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Eric Bledsoe 7.0 5.3 4.1 3.7 2.5 0.3 0.2
Eric Murdock 92.3 7.2 6.1 4.3 4.1 2.5 0.6 0.3
Bobby Phills 91.9 7.1 5.0 4.0 3.5 3.2 -0.1 -0.1
Charlie Ward 91.6 7.1 5.5 3.9 3.6 3.1 1.0 -0.2
Craig Hodges 88.3 6.0 5.3 4.3 2.9 2.4 0.8 0.5
Mike James 88.3 7.6 5.2 4.3 2.8 1.8 0.3 0.0
Jim Cleamons 88.1 7.1 5.5 3.8 2.7 2.6 1.7 0.1
Larry Drew 87.8 7.2 4.6 3.6 3.0 2.8 0.1 0.0
Luke Ridnour 87.5 6.2 5.4 4.4 3.4 2.3 1.2 0.9
J.R. Smith 86.7 5.8 5.0 3.7 3.7 2.7 1.2 0.2
Travis Best 86.6 7.2 5.1 4.1 3.4 3.3 2.1 0.7

I'm not going nuts to trade for Charlie Ward. We originally signed JR Smith for peanuts. In truth, I would be against dealing Kanter if three of our better players didn't play the same position, and a 4th one coming who is signed to a huge deal. We can't pump up Noah's value if that logjam doesn't get addressed.

Doesn't the prospect of the Knicks giving Bledsoe a cap killing, long term, deal concern you at all? Wouldn't be out of character, it would be business as usual. Thats the main thing that will be on Bledsoe's mind. Just like it was for Rose.

Both knees had major surgery, and Bledsoe was shut down with a few months to go, last season. You just added more evidence why we should pass on him as well. Im really surprised so many posters are willing to throw caution to the wind, after a couple of games. Worries me that Perry is even thinking of adding Bledsoe after the speeches about thinking long term.

Nothing long term about a player with two blown knees.

yes, it concerns me greatly. I think/hope it was clear that I am not a big fan of Bledsoe's game. I think he's aight. And that isn't even factoring in his injury history. But what really concerns me is that our team is structured in such a way that we have to pray for Jeremy Lin to fall out from the rafters -- again.

I hear ya. Not used to to trusting the Knicks knowing when not to fly too close to the sun. Unless Frank makes measurable progress this season, I hope that they consider drafting another PG. Because you're right, its tough to find a quality PG without overpaying, and with too many years.

I will leave it to Briggs this season to tell us who is worth looking at.

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10/24/2017  2:42 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I would trade Kanter and some scraps for Bledsoe. It would resolve our logjam at center issues. But i agree with others that said he isn't anything special. I just looked at his similarity scores on basketball reference:


Player Sim 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Eric Bledsoe 7.0 5.3 4.1 3.7 2.5 0.3 0.2
Eric Murdock 92.3 7.2 6.1 4.3 4.1 2.5 0.6 0.3
Bobby Phills 91.9 7.1 5.0 4.0 3.5 3.2 -0.1 -0.1
Charlie Ward 91.6 7.1 5.5 3.9 3.6 3.1 1.0 -0.2
Craig Hodges 88.3 6.0 5.3 4.3 2.9 2.4 0.8 0.5
Mike James 88.3 7.6 5.2 4.3 2.8 1.8 0.3 0.0
Jim Cleamons 88.1 7.1 5.5 3.8 2.7 2.6 1.7 0.1
Larry Drew 87.8 7.2 4.6 3.6 3.0 2.8 0.1 0.0
Luke Ridnour 87.5 6.2 5.4 4.4 3.4 2.3 1.2 0.9
J.R. Smith 86.7 5.8 5.0 3.7 3.7 2.7 1.2 0.2
Travis Best 86.6 7.2 5.1 4.1 3.4 3.3 2.1 0.7

I'm not going nuts to trade for Charlie Ward. We originally signed JR Smith for peanuts. In truth, I would be against dealing Kanter if three of our better players didn't play the same position, and a 4th one coming who is signed to a huge deal. We can't pump up Noah's value if that logjam doesn't get addressed.

Doesn't the prospect of the Knicks giving Bledsoe a cap killing, long term, deal concern you at all? Wouldn't be out of character, it would be business as usual. Thats the main thing that will be on Bledsoe's mind. Just like it was for Rose.

Both knees had major surgery, and Bledsoe was shut down with a few months to go, last season. You just added more evidence why we should pass on him as well. Im really surprised so many posters are willing to throw caution to the wind, after a couple of games. Worries me that Perry is even thinking of adding Bledsoe after the speeches about thinking long term.

Nothing long term about a player with two blown knees.

yes, it concerns me greatly. I think/hope it was clear that I am not a big fan of Bledsoe's game. I think he's aight. And that isn't even factoring in his injury history. But what really concerns me is that our team is structured in such a way that we have to pray for Jeremy Lin to fall out from the rafters -- again.

I hear ya. Not used to to trusting the Knicks knowing when not to fly too close to the sun. Unless Frank makes measurable progress this season, I hope that they consider drafting another PG. Because you're right, its tough to find a quality PG without overpaying, and with too many years.

I will leave it to Briggs this season to tell us who is worth looking at.

WE're so bad I hope we're in the running for Doncic (or Porter). This draft is top-heavy at SF, PF, and C. Realistically, unless we get another pick we aren't getting any guard help in the draft

fishmike said: Yes. Sometimes I confuse the alerts with when your mom calls. BTW she said defensive guards are really important.
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10/24/2017  2:57 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I would trade Kanter and some scraps for Bledsoe. It would resolve our logjam at center issues. But i agree with others that said he isn't anything special. I just looked at his similarity scores on basketball reference:


Player Sim 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Eric Bledsoe 7.0 5.3 4.1 3.7 2.5 0.3 0.2
Eric Murdock 92.3 7.2 6.1 4.3 4.1 2.5 0.6 0.3
Bobby Phills 91.9 7.1 5.0 4.0 3.5 3.2 -0.1 -0.1
Charlie Ward 91.6 7.1 5.5 3.9 3.6 3.1 1.0 -0.2
Craig Hodges 88.3 6.0 5.3 4.3 2.9 2.4 0.8 0.5
Mike James 88.3 7.6 5.2 4.3 2.8 1.8 0.3 0.0
Jim Cleamons 88.1 7.1 5.5 3.8 2.7 2.6 1.7 0.1
Larry Drew 87.8 7.2 4.6 3.6 3.0 2.8 0.1 0.0
Luke Ridnour 87.5 6.2 5.4 4.4 3.4 2.3 1.2 0.9
J.R. Smith 86.7 5.8 5.0 3.7 3.7 2.7 1.2 0.2
Travis Best 86.6 7.2 5.1 4.1 3.4 3.3 2.1 0.7

I'm not going nuts to trade for Charlie Ward. We originally signed JR Smith for peanuts. In truth, I would be against dealing Kanter if three of our better players didn't play the same position, and a 4th one coming who is signed to a huge deal. We can't pump up Noah's value if that logjam doesn't get addressed.

Doesn't the prospect of the Knicks giving Bledsoe a cap killing, long term, deal concern you at all? Wouldn't be out of character, it would be business as usual. Thats the main thing that will be on Bledsoe's mind. Just like it was for Rose.

Both knees had major surgery, and Bledsoe was shut down with a few months to go, last season. You just added more evidence why we should pass on him as well. Im really surprised so many posters are willing to throw caution to the wind, after a couple of games. Worries me that Perry is even thinking of adding Bledsoe after the speeches about thinking long term.

Nothing long term about a player with two blown knees.

yes, it concerns me greatly. I think/hope it was clear that I am not a big fan of Bledsoe's game. I think he's aight. And that isn't even factoring in his injury history. But what really concerns me is that our team is structured in such a way that we have to pray for Jeremy Lin to fall out from the rafters -- again.

I hear ya. Not used to to trusting the Knicks knowing when not to fly too close to the sun. Unless Frank makes measurable progress this season, I hope that they consider drafting another PG. Because you're right, its tough to find a quality PG without overpaying, and with too many years.

I will leave it to Briggs this season to tell us who is worth looking at.

WE're so bad I hope we're in the running for Doncic (or Porter). This draft is top-heavy at SF, PF, and C. Realistically, unless we get another pick we aren't getting any guard help in the draft

Its a moonshot, but I would try to trade for Fulz in the offseason, or sooner. Simmons looks like he has no trouble running the offense. He was smart enough to get his buckets early on, then let Embid take over in the 4th with some great dishes.

Would trade anyone short of KP. Not 100 percent sure Im right, sometimes players have talent, but not the other qualities that make a star. Fultz looks like he is a bit overwhelmed right now. Id offer Willy and Frank. Definitely a gamble though.

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10/24/2017  3:10 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I would trade Kanter and some scraps for Bledsoe. It would resolve our logjam at center issues. But i agree with others that said he isn't anything special. I just looked at his similarity scores on basketball reference:


Player Sim 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Eric Bledsoe 7.0 5.3 4.1 3.7 2.5 0.3 0.2
Eric Murdock 92.3 7.2 6.1 4.3 4.1 2.5 0.6 0.3
Bobby Phills 91.9 7.1 5.0 4.0 3.5 3.2 -0.1 -0.1
Charlie Ward 91.6 7.1 5.5 3.9 3.6 3.1 1.0 -0.2
Craig Hodges 88.3 6.0 5.3 4.3 2.9 2.4 0.8 0.5
Mike James 88.3 7.6 5.2 4.3 2.8 1.8 0.3 0.0
Jim Cleamons 88.1 7.1 5.5 3.8 2.7 2.6 1.7 0.1
Larry Drew 87.8 7.2 4.6 3.6 3.0 2.8 0.1 0.0
Luke Ridnour 87.5 6.2 5.4 4.4 3.4 2.3 1.2 0.9
J.R. Smith 86.7 5.8 5.0 3.7 3.7 2.7 1.2 0.2
Travis Best 86.6 7.2 5.1 4.1 3.4 3.3 2.1 0.7

I'm not going nuts to trade for Charlie Ward. We originally signed JR Smith for peanuts. In truth, I would be against dealing Kanter if three of our better players didn't play the same position, and a 4th one coming who is signed to a huge deal. We can't pump up Noah's value if that logjam doesn't get addressed.

Doesn't the prospect of the Knicks giving Bledsoe a cap killing, long term, deal concern you at all? Wouldn't be out of character, it would be business as usual. Thats the main thing that will be on Bledsoe's mind. Just like it was for Rose.

Both knees had major surgery, and Bledsoe was shut down with a few months to go, last season. You just added more evidence why we should pass on him as well. Im really surprised so many posters are willing to throw caution to the wind, after a couple of games. Worries me that Perry is even thinking of adding Bledsoe after the speeches about thinking long term.

Nothing long term about a player with two blown knees.

yes, it concerns me greatly. I think/hope it was clear that I am not a big fan of Bledsoe's game. I think he's aight. And that isn't even factoring in his injury history. But what really concerns me is that our team is structured in such a way that we have to pray for Jeremy Lin to fall out from the rafters -- again.

I hear ya. Not used to to trusting the Knicks knowing when not to fly too close to the sun. Unless Frank makes measurable progress this season, I hope that they consider drafting another PG. Because you're right, its tough to find a quality PG without overpaying, and with too many years.

I will leave it to Briggs this season to tell us who is worth looking at.

WE're so bad I hope we're in the running for Doncic (or Porter). This draft is top-heavy at SF, PF, and C. Realistically, unless we get another pick we aren't getting any guard help in the draft

Its a moonshot, but I would try to trade for Fulz in the offseason, or sooner. Simmons looks like he has no trouble running the offense. He was smart enough to get his buckets early on, then let Embid take over in the 4th with some great dishes.

Would trade anyone short of KP. Not 100 percent sure Im right, sometimes players have talent, but not the other qualities that make a star. Fultz looks like he is a bit overwhelmed right now. Id offer Willy and Frank. Definitely a gamble though.

Given with they gave up to get him, have a hard time seeing Philly move on that quickly.

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10/24/2017  3:15 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:Decent scorer. Doesn't do much else. Typical kind of player who gets overrated and overpaid.

what do we have as a option?

I don't trust franks health, most guys come back from the type of injuries he gets in a couple of days, he's a couple wks

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10/24/2017  3:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/24/2017  3:25 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Decent scorer. Doesn't do much else. Typical kind of player who gets overrated and overpaid.

what do we have as a option?

I don't trust franks health, most guys come back from the type of injuries he gets in a couple of days, he's a couple wks


Not much now as options. Giving up significant assets for Bledsoe takes our current situation, bumps us up a few meaningless wins (not even a lot), and makes the long-term situation worse.
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10/24/2017  3:31 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Decent scorer. Doesn't do much else. Typical kind of player who gets overrated and overpaid.

what do we have as a option?

I don't trust franks health, most guys come back from the type of injuries he gets in a couple of days, he's a couple wks


Not much now as options. Giving up significant assets for Bledsoe takes our current situation, bumps us up a few meaningless wins (not even a lot), and makes the long-term situation worse.

Would you want Bledsoe if we didn't have to give up signifcant assets?
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