Markji wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Markji wrote:We need a PG badly.

Just drafted one.

Bledsoe isn't one.

We can dream about building from draft picks but that is very uncertain.

One more time - this is professional sports, EVERY way is uncertain.

KP will love playing with him and KP will grow so much faster and be much more satisfied. He doesn't want to tank. No professional athletic wants to tank. If you have played many sports you'll know that it gives a player great satisfaction to play hard and win.

KP can wait.

No. KP can't wait.

Why not?

Professional sports is uncertain. Agreed. So what makes you think that trading for a very good PG who is established is more uncertain than a 19 yr old PG who missed most of Summer League due to injury and has played a total of 7 1/2 minutes in 1 game; scored 0 points; 1 assist; 1 turnover; 2 personal fouls. And now again is injured. I do like Frank so I don't really want to put him down. He has a lot of potential and is a good kid. But Bledsoe has proven himself and has played at a high level for Hornacek when he coached Phoenix.

I don't prescribe to your theory that Porzingis is going to leave, so the entire two-year urgency your questions are based is irrelevant.

You're thinking short-term/appease KP, I'm thinking long-term/Knicks.

Bledsoe's situation now is a lot like our situation was with Melo. Bledsoe has to be traded and his value has been lowered because of that. Just like we didn't get great value for Melo, Phoenix won't get great value for Bledsoe. In trading for Bledsoe we can "Buy low"......or we don't buy at all. I do trust Perry to negotiate a good deal. We aren't going to sell the farm for Bledsoe.

If Perry can get him for spare parts and no picks, fine. Get him. But again if you're giving up something of potential long-term value because of some false premise about KP, then no.

Knickoftime wrote:

Markji wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Markji wrote:We need a PG badly.

Just drafted one.

Bledsoe isn't one.

We can dream about building from draft picks but that is very uncertain.

One more time - this is professional sports, EVERY way is uncertain.

KP will love playing with him and KP will grow so much faster and be much more satisfied. He doesn't want to tank. No professional athletic wants to tank. If you have played many sports you'll know that it gives a player great satisfaction to play hard and win.

KP can wait.

No. KP can't wait.

Why not?

Professional sports is uncertain. Agreed. So what makes you think that trading for a very good PG who is established is more uncertain than a 19 yr old PG who missed most of Summer League due to injury and has played a total of 7 1/2 minutes in 1 game; scored 0 points; 1 assist; 1 turnover; 2 personal fouls. And now again is injured. I do like Frank so I don't really want to put him down. He has a lot of potential and is a good kid. But Bledsoe has proven himself and has played at a high level for Hornacek when he coached Phoenix.

I don't prescribe to your theory that Porzingis is going to leave, so the entire two-year urgency your questions are based is irrelevant.

You're thinking short-term/appease KP, I'm thinking long-term/Knicks.

Bledsoe's situation now is a lot like our situation was with Melo. Bledsoe has to be traded and his value has been lowered because of that. Just like we didn't get great value for Melo, Phoenix won't get great value for Bledsoe. In trading for Bledsoe we can "Buy low"......or we don't buy at all. I do trust Perry to negotiate a good deal. We aren't going to sell the farm for Bledsoe.

If Perry can get him for spare parts and no picks, fine. Get him. But again if you're giving up something of potential long-term value because of some false premise about KP, then no.

I never said KP was going to leave. But that doesn't mean that he wants to wait 2 or 3 years before the Knicks can field a team that can play some meaningful games......hold their own against good teams. He doesn't want to play to tank. That's all. Bledsoe, IMO, offers a better future for the team. Again, if acquired in a reasonable deal. Something we agree upon....i.e. reasonable deal.

Is Frank hurt worse than they're letting on? Are they concerned now that he's damaged goods or just not that good?? And you know what, quickly on Frank -- you can't convince me, no matter what they said to the contrary, that Mills was behind drafting Frank. Mills is obviously in favor of trying to bring Bledsoe here now and was once thought (pre Jackson) to be high on the idea of acquiring Darren Collison, another similar player... All this brings me back to the same question that's still gnawing at me -- why the hell did we allow Jackson to draft Frank Nitlikina if they were probably at least 75% sure at the time that he was gonna be relieved of his duties? None of this makes any sense to me at all. We had this same player in DSJ, younger and salary controlled for the foreseeable future. I'm sorry but the longer Frank can't get on the court, the longer I have to question their draft selection and what the hell they're doing.

stopstandthere wrote:Be patient, we do not need Bledsoe. We have Frank.

Agreed. I don't want Bledsoe, esp. at the current asking price. I'm just curious why they want him all of a sudden and what that says about drafting Frank.

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smackeddog wrote:Please lord, do not let us trade for him. However I do find his abysmal cover story about the "don't want to be here" tweet hilarious:

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Knickoftime wrote:

Markji wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Markji wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Markji wrote:We need a PG badly.

Just drafted one.

Bledsoe isn't one.

We can dream about building from draft picks but that is very uncertain.

One more time - this is professional sports, EVERY way is uncertain.

KP will love playing with him and KP will grow so much faster and be much more satisfied. He doesn't want to tank. No professional athletic wants to tank. If you have played many sports you'll know that it gives a player great satisfaction to play hard and win.

KP can wait.

No. KP can't wait.

Why not?

Professional sports is uncertain. Agreed. So what makes you think that trading for a very good PG who is established is more uncertain than a 19 yr old PG who missed most of Summer League due to injury and has played a total of 7 1/2 minutes in 1 game; scored 0 points; 1 assist; 1 turnover; 2 personal fouls. And now again is injured. I do like Frank so I don't really want to put him down. He has a lot of potential and is a good kid. But Bledsoe has proven himself and has played at a high level for Hornacek when he coached Phoenix.

I don't prescribe to your theory that Porzingis is going to leave, so the entire two-year urgency your questions are based is irrelevant.

You're thinking short-term/appease KP, I'm thinking long-term/Knicks.

Bledsoe's situation now is a lot like our situation was with Melo. Bledsoe has to be traded and his value has been lowered because of that. Just like we didn't get great value for Melo, Phoenix won't get great value for Bledsoe. In trading for Bledsoe we can "Buy low"......or we don't buy at all. I do trust Perry to negotiate a good deal. We aren't going to sell the farm for Bledsoe.

If Perry can get him for spare parts and no picks, fine. Get him. But again if you're giving up something of potential long-term value because of some false premise about KP, then no.

I never said KP was going to leave. But that doesn't mean that he wants to wait 2 or 3 years before the Knicks can field a team that can play some meaningful games......hold their own against good teams. He doesn't want to play to tank. That's all.

And I'll say again, he can wait.

Bledsoe may be a surer thing, but he also costs $32m over 2 years and then would cost a LOT more after.

Since Bledsoe doesn't have a NTC and makes $10m less than Melo, I also don't expect Phoenix to take a filler deal back.

The one thing I don't understand in this thread. 1/2 the naysayers to trading for Bledsoe say that he has an injury history and may bomb out when/if we get him due to further injury. The other 1/2 of naysayers say what u just said (highlighted above).....that in 2 years we will have to pay Bledsoe "a lot more"! What that means to me is that Bledsoe would have played very well for us, meaning that we got a very good player that has helped the team a lot. What is wrong with that. Isn't this what we want?

And to repeat....As long as Perry makes a good deal in trading. Today he came out with the proper statements. That we want Bledsoe but Frank and Willie are off the table. This is called good negotiating. Phoenix had asked for both Frank and Willy in their initial offer. That is also good/smart negotiating. If a trade goes down for Bledsoe, the deal will be somewhere in the middle. Just depends on who blinks first, if indeed either side does.

But just like our situation with Melo, we had to trade him before camp started; Phoenix has to trade Bledsoe quickly so as to re-organize their team and move forward. Makes their position weaker.

Another observation - The entire Phoenix team had given up. It wasn't just Bledsoe. So perhaps Phoenix wants to shake things up and include or trade some other players so they can start fresh? This is just my opinion of what might happen. I don't really know until things start happening.

P.S. Bledsoe isn't owed $32 mil for 2 years as u stated above, but only $29.5 mil over 2 years. That translates to $14.5 mil this season and $15 mil next season. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix_suns/

Kanter, KP & KOQ
THjr & Bledsoe - that is a potential 40 win team in the east, and I would go for it.

To make salaries match, though, I insist Phoenix takes Noah

As it stands I would offer Kanter, choice of McD or Kuz and the Bull's pick. Maybe I take something else back to smooth #s. That would be my base. No Frank. No Willy. Kanter and Dotson? ok but no Bull's pick.

Bledsoe is really good and would really move the needle. We are not bad enough to get a top 3 pick. This would be a nice move forward and see how our guys play with some talent. Bledsoe has that. He can do a lot.

Markji wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Markji wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Markji wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Markji wrote:We need a PG badly.

Just drafted one.

Bledsoe isn't one.

We can dream about building from draft picks but that is very uncertain.

One more time - this is professional sports, EVERY way is uncertain.

KP will love playing with him and KP will grow so much faster and be much more satisfied. He doesn't want to tank. No professional athletic wants to tank. If you have played many sports you'll know that it gives a player great satisfaction to play hard and win.

KP can wait.

No. KP can't wait.

Why not?

Professional sports is uncertain. Agreed. So what makes you think that trading for a very good PG who is established is more uncertain than a 19 yr old PG who missed most of Summer League due to injury and has played a total of 7 1/2 minutes in 1 game; scored 0 points; 1 assist; 1 turnover; 2 personal fouls. And now again is injured. I do like Frank so I don't really want to put him down. He has a lot of potential and is a good kid. But Bledsoe has proven himself and has played at a high level for Hornacek when he coached Phoenix.

I don't prescribe to your theory that Porzingis is going to leave, so the entire two-year urgency your questions are based is irrelevant.

You're thinking short-term/appease KP, I'm thinking long-term/Knicks.

Bledsoe's situation now is a lot like our situation was with Melo. Bledsoe has to be traded and his value has been lowered because of that. Just like we didn't get great value for Melo, Phoenix won't get great value for Bledsoe. In trading for Bledsoe we can "Buy low"......or we don't buy at all. I do trust Perry to negotiate a good deal. We aren't going to sell the farm for Bledsoe.

If Perry can get him for spare parts and no picks, fine. Get him. But again if you're giving up something of potential long-term value because of some false premise about KP, then no.

I never said KP was going to leave. But that doesn't mean that he wants to wait 2 or 3 years before the Knicks can field a team that can play some meaningful games......hold their own against good teams. He doesn't want to play to tank. That's all.

And I'll say again, he can wait.

Bledsoe may be a surer thing, but he also costs $32m over 2 years and then would cost a LOT more after.

Since Bledsoe doesn't have a NTC and makes $10m less than Melo, I also don't expect Phoenix to take a filler deal back.

The one thing I don't understand in this thread. 1/2 the naysayers to trading for Bledsoe say that he has an injury history and may bomb out when/if we get him due to further injury. The other 1/2 of naysayers say what u just said (highlighted above).....that in 2 years we will have to pay Bledsoe "a lot more"! What that means to me is that Bledsoe would have played very well for us, meaning that we got a very good player that has helped the team a lot. What is wrong with that. Isn't this what we want?

And to repeat....As long as Perry makes a good deal in trading. Today he came out with the proper statements. That we want Bledsoe but Frank and Willie are off the table. This is called good negotiating. Phoenix had asked for both Frank and Willy in their initial offer. That is also good/smart negotiating. If a trade goes down for Bledsoe, the deal will be somewhere in the middle. Just depends on who blinks first, if indeed either side does.

But just like our situation with Melo, we had to trade him before camp started; Phoenix has to trade Bledsoe quickly so as to re-organize their team and move forward. Makes their position weaker.

Another observation - The entire Phoenix team had given up. It wasn't just Bledsoe. So perhaps Phoenix wants to shake things up and include or trade some other players so they can start fresh? This is just my opinion of what might happen. I don't really know until things start happening.

P.S. Bledsoe isn't owed $32 mil for 2 years as u stated above, but only $29.5 mil over 2 years. That translates to $14.5 mil this season and $15 mil next season. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix_suns/

Both can be an issue. We give up assets for Bledsoe then he gets injured a lot. Or we give up assets for Bledsoe he plays well and we have to overpay him to keep him while also having given up assets for him.

He would have to prove to be worth the assets given up for him as well as the money that we would have to pay him in order to not let those assets have gone to waste.

A better move is to stay pat. Get that high lotto pick. Make a small move to dump Lee for a shorter contract at some point. Stretch Noah in his final yr. Then sign a FA like Tobias Harris and another player out right.

We keep our high lotto pick, keep our assets, and add talent on top of that. If we are serious about being a contender then those are the principals we have to maintain. To many times we end up either going lateral or backwards because between the giving up of assets and giving away cap space. We limit our ability to progress.

EnySpree wrote:Too much crying.

By who about what?

We're roster building. We have to put the best team out there. We have to constantly chip away at the roster and get better. It's clear we need better talent in the back court. We should be actively pursuing Bledsoe without sacrificing the game plan of staying within the timeline. If we were to get a good deal for Bledsoe, you do it.

I don't get the sense there's much in the way of opposition to that. If the Knicks can get him while retaining Ntilikina, Hernangomez, and their 1st round draft picks, go for it. That just doesn't seem very likely and worthwhile to think about for too long.