EnySpree wrote:

Markji wrote:Trades that work

Knicks receive : Bledsoe and either Warren or Josh Jackson (we can ask - Both play the same position = SF and Warren received an extension for 4 additional years. Our 2 needs are PG and SF.

Knicks give up : CLee; Willy; Frank; Kuz (Phoenix needs a back-up center = Willy and a replacement for Bledsoe at PG = Frank)

If we can get Josh Jackson, that would cost us in addition at least the Chicago 2nd round pick (probably a top 5 in 2nd round) or maybe a future first round of ours.
Getting Josh Jackson (#4 pick) would allow us to feel comfortable in trading Frank (#8 pick) and a pick and would round out our team.

Phoenix doesn't need a back up center. Alex Len, Tyson, chriss and a few other guys on the roster

They have already asked for Willy and Frank, if that's what you mean

Knickoftime wrote:

93BUICK wrote:How come Paul George, Melo, and Jimmy Butler get traded for dimes on the dollar but grouchy injured Eric Bledsoe is worth our high value yoot Willy and brand new #8 pick PG!!!!

They aren't. Who says they are?

It's a gamble no matter how you look at it..

Markji wrote:Trades that work

Knicks receive : Bledsoe and either Warren or Josh Jackson (we can ask - Both play the same position = SF and Warren received an extension for 4 additional years. Our 2 needs are PG and SF.

Knicks give up : CLee; Willy; Frank; Kuz (Phoenix needs a back-up center = Willy and a replacement for Bledsoe at PG = Frank)

If we can get Josh Jackson, that would cost us in addition at least the Chicago 2nd round pick (probably a top 5 in 2nd round) or maybe a future first round of ours.
Getting Josh Jackson (#4 pick) would allow us to feel comfortable in trading Frank (#8 pick) and a pick and would round out our team.

Applying "The Mirror Test", if the Knicks and Suns reversed situations completely, would you want the Knicks to trade Josh Jackson and/or Warren and/or Bledsoe for Hernangomez, FrankN and fodder?

Then why would they?

Josh Jackson was a "Tier 2" first round pick. Frank N was a "Tier 4" first round pick. To move that far up in the draft would cost, at minimum, a couple of future first round picks. So offering the Chicago 2nd isn't close to market value.

If the trade scenario doesn't pass "The Mirror Test", it's not likely to be defensible to the sports media, the other host city, the other ownership and the other fanbase.

The only viable trade I see is Brandon Knight plus an asset for Courtney Lee. Contracts match. Knight is dead weight and the Suns are likely to stretch him anyway. Teams are going to be leery of Year 3 and 4 of Lee's contract. If the Knicks, who have tried to trade Lee all last year and failed to do so, can't find an asset for Lee alone, then they are going to have to absorb a bad deal to stretch to move him.

Phil Jackson is not the only reason this team is hurting, but the insane Noah/Rose/Lee push basically horsef**ked this team for four years. Right after clearing STAT and Bargs off the roster. It's like getting into a barfight and then headbutting the other guy's fist. Completely mindboggling.

reub wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Markji wrote:Trades that work

Knicks receive : Bledsoe and either Warren or Josh Jackson (we can ask - Both play the same position = SF and Warren received an extension for 4 additional years. Our 2 needs are PG and SF.

Knicks give up : CLee; Willy; Frank; Kuz (Phoenix needs a back-up center = Willy and a replacement for Bledsoe at PG = Frank)

If we can get Josh Jackson, that would cost us in addition at least the Chicago 2nd round pick (probably a top 5 in 2nd round) or maybe a future first round of ours.
Getting Josh Jackson (#4 pick) would allow us to feel comfortable in trading Frank (#8 pick) and a pick and would round out our team.

Hard to say no to this trade
Bledsoe
Thjr
Jackson
KP
Kanter

Sessions
Dotson/Baker
Doug
Beasley
KOQ/Noah

Still a relatively young team with lots of upside. Plenty of scoring with this lineup. Then we could target a PG in the upcoming draft

-Let's stick with our draft picks and youth, If we can get Josh Jackson back, that is youth. Warren is also young (24 yrs old)

-trade some veterans - CLee is a vet and 2nd oldest player on the team + has 3 yrs on his contract

-and develop a core. We'd be giving up 2 young players and receive 1 young player with more potential than either of the 2 we give up.

-We're on the right track and don't need players with injuries on the downside of their careers.

We can dream about building from draft picks but that is very uncertain. Bledsoe is much more certain for the next 2 years and makes us relevant. KP will love playing with him and KP will grow so much faster and be much more satisfied. He doesn't want to tank. No professional athletic wants to tank. If you have played many sports you'll know that it gives a player great satisfaction to play hard and win.

Markji wrote:We need a PG badly.

Just drafted one.

Bledsoe isn't one.

We can dream about building from draft picks but that is very uncertain.

One more time - this is professional sports, EVERY way is uncertain.

KP will love playing with him and KP will grow so much faster and be much more satisfied. He doesn't want to tank. No professional athletic wants to tank. If you have played many sports you'll know that it gives a player great satisfaction to play hard and win.

KP can wait.

TripleThreat wrote:

Markji wrote:Trades that work

Knicks receive : Bledsoe and either Warren or Josh Jackson (we can ask - Both play the same position = SF and Warren received an extension for 4 additional years. Our 2 needs are PG and SF.

Knicks give up : CLee; Willy; Frank; Kuz (Phoenix needs a back-up center = Willy and a replacement for Bledsoe at PG = Frank)

If we can get Josh Jackson, that would cost us in addition at least the Chicago 2nd round pick (probably a top 5 in 2nd round) or maybe a future first round of ours.
Getting Josh Jackson (#4 pick) would allow us to feel comfortable in trading Frank (#8 pick) and a pick and would round out our team.

Applying "The Mirror Test", if the Knicks and Suns reversed situations completely, would you want the Knicks to trade Josh Jackson and/or Warren and/or Bledsoe for Hernangomez, FrankN and fodder?

Then why would they?

Josh Jackson was a "Tier 2" first round pick. Frank N was a "Tier 4" first round pick. To move that far up in the draft would cost, at minimum, a couple of future first round picks. So offering the Chicago 2nd isn't close to market value.

If the trade scenario doesn't pass "The Mirror Test", it's not likely to be defensible to the sports media, the other host city, the other ownership and the other fanbase.

The only viable trade I see is Brandon Knight plus an asset for Courtney Lee. Contracts match. Knight is dead weight and the Suns are likely to stretch him anyway. Teams are going to be leery of Year 3 and 4 of Lee's contract. If the Knicks, who have tried to trade Lee all last year and failed to do so, can't find an asset for Lee alone, then they are going to have to absorb a bad deal to stretch to move him.

Phil Jackson is not the only reason this team is hurting, but the insane Noah/Rose/Lee push basically horsef**ked this team for four years. Right after clearing STAT and Bargs off the roster. It's like getting into a barfight and then headbutting the other guy's fist. Completely mindboggling.

Erm yes? Bledsoe as good as he is insn't a true pg, with an injury history and a year or two left on his contract. Not mention he dosen't want to be in the Suns which drastically lowers the bargaining power of the Suns because they know they have to trade him. Frank alone probably has more trade value than Bledsoe.

Also the mirror test as we saw in this past market didn't really apply in any of the big trades.

Knickoftime wrote:

Markji wrote:We need a PG badly.

Just drafted one.

Bledsoe isn't one.

We can dream about building from draft picks but that is very uncertain.

One more time - this is professional sports, EVERY way is uncertain.

KP will love playing with him and KP will grow so much faster and be much more satisfied. He doesn't want to tank. No professional athletic wants to tank. If you have played many sports you'll know that it gives a player great satisfaction to play hard and win.

KP can wait.

Professional sports is uncertain. Agreed. So what makes you think that trading for a very good PG who is established is more uncertain than a 19 yr old PG who missed most of Summer League due to injury and has played a total of 7 1/2 minutes in 1 game; scored 0 points; 1 assist; 1 turnover; 2 personal fouls. And now again is injured. I do like Frank so I don't really want to put him down. He has a lot of potential and is a good kid. But Bledsoe has proven himself and has played at a high level for Hornacek when he coached Phoenix.

Bledsoe's situation now is a lot like our situation was with Melo. Bledsoe has to be traded and his value has been lowered because of that. Just like we didn't get great value for Melo, Phoenix won't get great value for Bledsoe. In trading for Bledsoe we can "Buy low"......or we don't buy at all. I do trust Perry to negotiate a good deal. We aren't going to sell the farm for Bledsoe.

VCoug wrote:Why would we want Eric Bledsoe? Bledsoe's nice but he isn't the difference between this team winning 25-30 games and winning 50 games. Assuming he could even stay healthy, all he does is **** up our draft position. If Phoenix wants to give him away, meaning no one on a rookie contract and no draft picks, then sure. He could be a trade piece down the road. But other then getting a handout, what's the point of trading for a guy who's gonna get us to 35-ish wins this year?

I would like Bledsoe but your right there is no point. This team is so far away from being good we need multiple years of high picks to be even a playoff team