Jmpasq wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

reub wrote:It's water on the knee. Swelling. The body's response to trauma or injury.

nixluva wrote:

Knee effusion or swelling of the knee (colloquially known as water on the knee) occurs when excess synovial fluid accumulates in or around the knee joint. There are many common causes for the swelling, including arthritis, injury to the ligaments or meniscus, or fluid collecting in the bursa, a condition known as prepatellar bursitis.

Not a good thing to hear about that repaired knee. Hopefully it’s not something that will require surgery. Maybe just rest and treatment to bring the swelling down.

Remember that he wouldn't show us his medical records.

he went down awkward on his left knee in that game going to the basket

2:04

It aso looked like he hurt his ankle. He seemed a bit gimpy. Really impressive young player. He penetrates like Rose but passes to his teammates and has a jump shot. I would love to see KP with a point guard that puts that kind of pressure on a defense but is an elite passer. Hopefully the Knicks get some of that from Frank.

Kid has a nice game and in theory his skills and penetration would be ideal but you and I both know if Phil had drafted him the NY Media would’ve feasted on this. The kid needed to use DRose as a cautionary tale and toned it down. Instead he is just as reckless as DRose was. So many awkward landings!

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much better player than Frank, but it looks like some of the fears about his health are justified dude is reckless. I don't know though I just don't think Frank is going to be any good, I haven't seen anything that justifies his selection at 8

Ntilikina is a different type of player. DSJ wishes he could be the kind of defender Nitty is capable of being. Nitty is yet to fully fill out and he might still grow. I like Nitty’s package of physical talent, skills and BBIQ. I think Nitty is going to be more of a Billups type of PG.

People keep predicting these lofty expectations on Frank with not a single shred of evidence he will ever reach those heights. Yeah he is long , sure I think he can defend at a high level , but the actually playing PG in the NBA I dont see those skills at all. Dude looks awful with the ball in his hands. I just want to see something that gives me hope for this kid because ever since he has been a Knick its been one failure after another.

Name them. Name all these "failures one after another" you're referring to?

Missed summer league , missed basically the entire preseason, plays 1 preseaon game looks bad, plays one regular season game and looks like the worst rookie in the class, gets hurt in practice will miss games again

Jmpasq wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

reub wrote:It's water on the knee. Swelling. The body's response to trauma or injury.

nixluva wrote:

Knee effusion or swelling of the knee (colloquially known as water on the knee) occurs when excess synovial fluid accumulates in or around the knee joint. There are many common causes for the swelling, including arthritis, injury to the ligaments or meniscus, or fluid collecting in the bursa, a condition known as prepatellar bursitis.

Not a good thing to hear about that repaired knee. Hopefully it’s not something that will require surgery. Maybe just rest and treatment to bring the swelling down.

Remember that he wouldn't show us his medical records.

he went down awkward on his left knee in that game going to the basket

2:04

It aso looked like he hurt his ankle. He seemed a bit gimpy. Really impressive young player. He penetrates like Rose but passes to his teammates and has a jump shot. I would love to see KP with a point guard that puts that kind of pressure on a defense but is an elite passer. Hopefully the Knicks get some of that from Frank.

Kid has a nice game and in theory his skills and penetration would be ideal but you and I both know if Phil had drafted him the NY Media would’ve feasted on this. The kid needed to use DRose as a cautionary tale and toned it down. Instead he is just as reckless as DRose was. So many awkward landings!

,
much better player than Frank, but it looks like some of the fears about his health are justified dude is reckless. I don't know though I just don't think Frank is going to be any good, I haven't seen anything that justifies his selection at 8

Ntilikina is a different type of player. DSJ wishes he could be the kind of defender Nitty is capable of being. Nitty is yet to fully fill out and he might still grow. I like Nitty’s package of physical talent, skills and BBIQ. I think Nitty is going to be more of a Billups type of PG.

People keep predicting these lofty expectations on Frank with not a single shred of evidence he will ever reach those heights. Yeah he is long , sure I think he can defend at a high level , but the actually playing PG in the NBA I dont see those skills at all. Dude looks awful with the ball in his hands. I just want to see something that gives me hope for this kid because ever since he has been a Knick its been one failure after another.

Name them. Name all these "failures one after another" you're referring to?

Missed summer league , missed basically the entire preseason, plays 1 preseaon game looks bad, plays one regular season game and looks like the worst rookie in the class, gets hurt in practice will miss games again

Getting hurt is a failure? If you're good you know how to avoid it?

That's a new one.

Give me one positive from this kid since we drafted him. All I want is to see some reason to hope my eye test was wrong on him.

(now is the part where you say how stupid our coaching staff is, or how the players suck so what do they know)

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:I'm not jumping on the 'DSJr's damaged goods' bandwagon because he's missed a few games any more than I'm getting on the 'Ntilikina is too weak to stay on the floor' bandwagon a week into the season.

Give both kids a month, a half, a rookie season.

I can agree you have to give these kids time but there’s no way the Media would be preaching patience if DSJ was a Knick! They’d be SAVAGING the Knicks for drafting a kid with an ACL that refused to provide medical info and was having swelling in that knee since Training Camp!

Maybe. I just don't care about what the media might be saying about the Knicks.

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:I'm not jumping on the 'DSJr's damaged goods' bandwagon because he's missed a few games any more than I'm getting on the 'Ntilikina is too weak to stay on the floor' bandwagon a week into the season.

Give both kids a month, a half, a rookie season.

I can agree you have to give these kids time but there’s no way the Media would be preaching patience if DSJ was a Knick! They’d be SAVAGING the Knicks for drafting a kid with an ACL that refused to provide medical info and was having swelling in that knee since Training Camp!

True. But we cant say on one hand that we need to give Frank some time before judgement and do the same thing you are claiming the press would be doing to DSJR if he was picked. Which is label him as damaged goods this early in his career. And keep in mind, we gave Noah 4 years. And we paid Rose 20M+ for one year. So to say we were smart enough to stay away from Smith due to his medical concern is hard to believe.

But think we all agree it will take some time before the real winners of this years draft are realized.

I mean if you draft a player coming off a major surgery and that injury is slowing the player there is some responsibility from the team who drafted him.

Consider what Smith's fans say about him, Hofstra you included one could easily say the only reason he was available this late in the lottery is he's an injury risk. Dallas may simply be willing to take it slow with him. Just like the Knicks may be willing to take it slow with Frank, youngest player in draft and all.

In a way he's not unlike Baron Davis, who came to the NBA with unbelievable athleticism, even after tearing his ACL at UCLA. Similar types of players. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't with these guys.

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:I'm not jumping on the 'DSJr's damaged goods' bandwagon because he's missed a few games any more than I'm getting on the 'Ntilikina is too weak to stay on the floor' bandwagon a week into the season.

Give both kids a month, a half, a rookie season.

I can agree you have to give these kids time but there’s no way the Media would be preaching patience if DSJ was a Knick! They’d be SAVAGING the Knicks for drafting a kid with an ACL that refused to provide medical info and was having swelling in that knee since Training Camp!

True. But we cant say on one hand that we need to give Frank some time before judgement and do the same thing you are claiming the press would be doing to DSJR if he was picked. Which is label him as damaged goods this early in his career. And keep in mind, we gave Noah 4 years. And we paid Rose 20M+ for one year. So to say we were smart enough to stay away from Smith due to his medical concern is hard to believe.

But think we all agree it will take some time before the real winners of this years draft are realized.

Noah and Rose were mistakes no? What do you they have to do with anything?

I mean if you draft a player coming off a major surgery and that injury is slowing the player there is some responsibility from the team who drafted him.

Consider what Smith's fans say about him, Hofstra you included one could easily say the only reason he was available this late in the lottery is he's an injury risk. Dallas may simply be willing to take it slow with him. Just like the Knicks may be willing to take it slow with Frank, youngest player in draft and all.

Noah and Rose were in response to the belief Knicks are discouraged by a players medical history.

Do think the injury was the ONLY thing that dropped him this low. But he is a special player and I thought was worth the risk. But I am going on the theory that Frank was picked for the Triangle. If the injury was a big red flag, I would have preffered, Mitchell, Monk or to trade down and get two later picks.

But again, its all a mute point. It will be interesting how it all turns out. We wont know for years. But I wish Smith luck and hope Frank can turn into a good player for us. Everything else is just fun to watch and see how our predictions turn out.

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

reub wrote:It's water on the knee. Swelling. The body's response to trauma or injury.

nixluva wrote:

Knee effusion or swelling of the knee (colloquially known as water on the knee) occurs when excess synovial fluid accumulates in or around the knee joint. There are many common causes for the swelling, including arthritis, injury to the ligaments or meniscus, or fluid collecting in the bursa, a condition known as prepatellar bursitis.

Not a good thing to hear about that repaired knee. Hopefully it’s not something that will require surgery. Maybe just rest and treatment to bring the swelling down.

Remember that he wouldn't show us his medical records.

he went down awkward on his left knee in that game going to the basket

2:04

It aso looked like he hurt his ankle. He seemed a bit gimpy. Really impressive young player. He penetrates like Rose but passes to his teammates and has a jump shot. I would love to see KP with a point guard that puts that kind of pressure on a defense but is an elite passer. Hopefully the Knicks get some of that from Frank.

Kid has a nice game and in theory his skills and penetration would be ideal but you and I both know if Phil had drafted him the NY Media would’ve feasted on this. The kid needed to use DRose as a cautionary tale and toned it down. Instead he is just as reckless as DRose was. So many awkward landings!

,
much better player than Frank, but it looks like some of the fears about his health are justified dude is reckless. I don't know though I just don't think Frank is going to be any good, I haven't seen anything that justifies his selection at 8

Ntilikina is a different type of player. DSJ wishes he could be the kind of defender Nitty is capable of being. Nitty is yet to fully fill out and he might still grow. I like Nitty’s package of physical talent, skills and BBIQ. I think Nitty is going to be more of a Billups type of PG.

People keep predicting these lofty expectations on Frank with not a single shred of evidence he will ever reach those heights. Yeah he is long , sure I think he can defend at a high level , but the actually playing PG in the NBA I dont see those skills at all. Dude looks awful with the ball in his hands. I just want to see something that gives me hope for this kid because ever since he has been a Knick its been one failure after another.

Name them. Name all these "failures one after another" you're referring to?

Missed summer league , missed basically the entire preseason, plays 1 preseaon game looks bad, plays one regular season game and looks like the worst rookie in the class, gets hurt in practice will miss games again

almost as good as when your convincing us how smart it would be to trade KP

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