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fishmike wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Frank's D is very good now. Can be elite level as he learns more.

His passing is very good. His shot is smooth. He hesitates and defers to his teammates sometimes too much but all in all, he is solid and his future looks very good.

http://www.82games.com/1718/17NYK3.HTM
Check this out. Frank is holding his opponents to an EFG of 40%. That is mind numbingly low.
Some others for context:
Chris Paul .472
Frank .400
Patty Mills .504
Lowry .484
Chris Dunn .494
Steph Curry .452
Kemba .475
Lilliard .489
Wall .467
Kyrie .433
Dennis Smith .543
Jarrtt Jack .512

Eye test, metrics, stats... everything already says Frank's defense is already elite, and everyone watching knows he's only going to improve.

I just dont get how Frank's defense doesnt have him in the conversation of best in his draft class. Surely Tatum has been great but in league where opposing PGs run amok nightly the Knicks might just have one of the most valueable chips on their roster. Combine him with KP and another and you are building an iron curtain.

Frank hung with Kryie and locked him down in the 4th while the Knicks won that game. Will Irving adjust and come back? Of course, but highlight dunks are nice. Lockdown 4th qtr defense for wins against elite talent? Priceless. But that's just one's guy's opinion.

Last night he played great D again, 7pts, 7rebs, 5assists, 2TOs, 1 steal and 2 blocks. He was -2 in 25 minutes in a close game.

I'm not sure what the metrics say, but Frank's defense is solid, especially for a rookie, but I wouldn't call it elite by any stretch YET. He's not making any all defensive teams as a rookie, so I wouldn't call it elite. Now, I definitely see the potential for it to get to that level but he's not there now. And there's nothing wrong with that. He still has plenty of room and time to grow.

By all metrics and visuals he is 100% playing elite defense. Locking down and frustrating the best 1on1 PG’s in the league and playing excellent help defense. Not sure what PG is playing better D than he.

I feel like Zebo does but I am biased... I admit it. So I am wondering who the guys are in the league people want Frank to defend more like.

There isn’t a PG right now that defends as well as Ntlikina. Go up and down the league and you will come away mesmerized at how good Ntlikina’s defense is. I’m not gonna lie watching the Knicks on defense my eyes are absolutely locked in on Ntlikina watching him play defense. Kind of reminds me of how most people were locked in on Lawrence Taylor when he played.

It is amazing how methodical Ntlikina is in his approach to defense.

Frank is definitely ahead of the curve when it comes to defense for a rook. But the best defensive PG in the league? Cant agree. Too easy to shake him laterally right now. He may very well get there sooner than his competition anticipates, but Frank ain't there yet.

who is?

Most of the top rated defensive PGs in the league. The ones who start against, and defend, the best starting PGs night in and night out. Who know each other's game inside out. Not going up mostly against second units, in limited minutes.

Those PGs are more laterally sound than Frank, because they're used to defending players who are as just as fast north and south, as they are east and west. Some of it has to do with getting around screens. I believe you guys are getting a bit ahead of yourselves.

Still, there's only a handful of those guys this year. Beverly? Out with knee injury. Holiday? Plays 2 now. Conley? Who knows when he'll be back? Frank is up there.

Didn't think saying Frank wasnt the best defensive PG in the league as a rookie would be so controversial, lol. Guess it speaks to Frank's defense. Frank hasn't seen everything to be the top defender. Hasnt been sufficiently tested. Frank also has to be able to maintain his D, and contribute more on offense, be more aggresive. That takes stamina.

When Frank carries the load of a starting PG, thats when we'll know he's the best. Not off the bench, against players who dont know him very well, yet. They are learning. When I dont see Frank get juked laterally, off the dribble (easily at times) he'll be in the conversation. PGs out there who are better at staying on their hip, instead of the PG creating space.

No controversy. I understand your point. But there is only a handful of the guys you are referring too off the bat. You have Chris Paul, who you have to rank ahead now...but then who else? Injuries have taken some guys put this year. You want to put Kris Dunn? I'd put Frank ahead. Lowry? I haven't seen his stats, but I have to put him up there. Frank's recovery is what makes him special. Off the switch, on his man he still manages to contest. I get that there's some areas that he can improve. But his defense already ranks with the best as a rookie.

CrushAlot wrote:Interesting stuff about Smith and his interactions with the Knicks prior to the draft.
https://sports.yahoo.com/dennis-smith-jr-proving-isnt-player-pre-draft-rep-suggested-163513283.html

Phil tried to make him eat calamari. How disgusting!

joec32033 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Interesting stuff about Smith and his interactions with the Knicks prior to the draft.
https://sports.yahoo.com/dennis-smith-jr-proving-isnt-player-pre-draft-rep-suggested-163513283.html

For a guy that was drafted by the Mavs, the kid sure talks about the Knicks alot.

reub wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

reub wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Interesting stuff about Smith and his interactions with the Knicks prior to the draft.
https://sports.yahoo.com/dennis-smith-jr-proving-isnt-player-pre-draft-rep-suggested-163513283.html

Phil tried to make him eat calamari. How disgusting!

Nothing in this article about that. You copied the link but didn't read it?

Your link has to do with Smith's interactions with the Knicks prior to the draft. Doesn't it? I just added a little pertinent information to your post. Squid anyone?

What a Rube. Maybe a video of the calamari would help.

reub wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

reub wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Interesting stuff about Smith and his interactions with the Knicks prior to the draft.
https://sports.yahoo.com/dennis-smith-jr-proving-isnt-player-pre-draft-rep-suggested-163513283.html

Phil tried to make him eat calamari. How disgusting!

Nothing in this article about that. You copied the link but didn't read it?

Your link has to do with Smith's interactions with the Knicks prior to the draft. Doesn't it? I just added a little pertinent information to your post. Squid anyone?

reub wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

reub wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

reub wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Interesting stuff about Smith and his interactions with the Knicks prior to the draft.
https://sports.yahoo.com/dennis-smith-jr-proving-isnt-player-pre-draft-rep-suggested-163513283.html

Phil tried to make him eat calamari. How disgusting!

Nothing in this article about that. You copied the link but didn't read it?

Your link has to do with Smith's interactions with the Knicks prior to the draft. Doesn't it? I just added a little pertinent information to your post. Squid anyone?

What a Rube. Maybe a video of the calamari would help.

I'll send you some. Do you want it fried like your brain?

Bahahahaha. Fried Video? Yet more great banter/contribution to the board.

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:https://dailyknicks.com/2018/01/09/new-york-knicks-frank-ntilikina-right-2017-nba-draft-selection/

Frank was clearly the wrong choice, if they wanted defense they should of taken Mitchell who is so far ahead of Frank offensively its embarrassing.

Also Mitchell doesnt play as much PG. Majority of his minutes come playing off the ball.

Mitchell looks like an Avery Bradley clone which is a good player to have. Was Mitchell your first choice?

F. Ntilikina may never be a All-star player but, if the Knicks build the team correctly, he doesn't need to be. We have not had a potentially lock defending, pass-first PG in....YEARS (not counting Kidd). I think the Knicks are ok in this position for the next few years and now need to focus on upgrading the 3 position.

Nalod wrote:Has bad game and was +1. Still 7 assists.
Every year there is a guy that drafted after the player your favorite teams takes that is better.
Mitchell is that guy this year.
Frank has good games and bad games. Uneven rookie. Uneven 19 year old. Uneven euro pass first mentality we call "not aggressive".
I love that he passes first. Sometimes too much. Imagine having a player that passes too much vs. shooting too much?
Now to be even more effective he needs to "Be more AAU, Rucker, American, less french, What ever". Yes, he needs to shoot and hit more so his penetration is more effective.
Im encouraged by what he does, not what he does wrong.

Feels like EVERYONE hated the way Rose played on the Knicks last year. Couldn't shoot outside of 5 feet, no defense, couldn't make a pass to save his life, never ran an offense, me-first offensive player.

Frank is literally the opposite player. We should all LOVE that