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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27194 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
11/12/2017 4:22 PM LAST EDITED: 11/12/2017 4:48 PM
Knickoftime wrote:Welpee wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:We also need to realize determining a "winner" shouldn't be based strictly on stats and its possible (probable) for Smith to put better numbers but the Knicks be more than pleased with what Frank brings to the table. If both players provide their teams with what they need both players come out of this a winner. But yeah, statistically you have to objectively say Smith has started out as the better player.knickstorrents wrote:DS Jr is shooting 41% overall and 30% from 3. He doesn't have court vision, he's small, he is not a plus defender. Why do we need him? He reminds me of Derrick Rose, and not in a good way. Think its stupid to go on a thread, dedicated to discussing who is better, just to say "its pointless to discuss it". Why is it stupid to discuss who is a better player? That is what forums are for, no? And you can absolutely argue who is a better player in sports. Regardless of perspective, some players ARE better than others. Now if your talking about discussing who is better for a specific team, yeah that is all subjective. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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HofstraBBall
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11/12/2017 4:27 PM LAST EDITED: 11/12/2017 5:02 PM
fitzfarm wrote:Welpee wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:We also need to realize determining a "winner" shouldn't be based strictly on stats and its possible (probable) for Smith to put better numbers but the Knicks be more than pleased with what Frank brings to the table. If both players provide their teams with what they need both players come out of this a winner. But yeah, statistically you have to objectively say Smith has started out as the better player.knickstorrents wrote:DS Jr is shooting 41% overall and 30% from 3. He doesn't have court vision, he's small, he is not a plus defender. Why do we need him? He reminds me of Derrick Rose, and not in a good way. How many Mav games have you watched to say he is a bad defender? To give a ceiling for a player after 10 games is ignorant. As would saying Smith has the ceiling of Steph Curry. To say someone has the ability to be one of the best floor generals and best defensive guys in the league is simplistic and can probably be said of any decent defender in the draft. You not seeing the comparisson would require watching both subjects extensively. But we will take your word for it over every other NBA level observer. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27194 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
11/12/2017 4:28 PM LAST EDITED: 11/12/2017 4:54 PM
fitzfarm wrote:Welpee wrote:fitzfarm wrote:Again scoring is just one aspect of the game that smith is better then anyone else in the draft class. He is a second round talent when it comes to defense,and leadership.As much as a like Frank, the jury is still out on both. It's gonna be years before this is settled. So you think Steph was just as good as JKidd? Guess you think the Timberwolves did the right thing, in 2009, by picking the better floor genereal(Rubio) over the better offensive pick(Curry)? 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27194 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
11/12/2017 4:47 PM
Juliano wrote:Welpee wrote:I agree with that too. Though realistically you know they're linked from here on out no matter what. Like Chris Paul and Deron Williams. Valid point 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 37540 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
11/12/2017 5:33 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:BigRedDog wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:knickstorrents wrote:DS Jr is shooting 41% overall and 30% from 3. He doesn't have court vision, he's small, he is not a plus defender. Why do we need him? He reminds me of Derrick Rose, and not in a good way. Say what?!?! I have Fox above DSJ, easily. Kuzma?!?!!Tatum!?!?! It's clear Simmons is head of the class, but I can't say DSJ has done nearly enough to say he's a clear #2. I haven't followed Mitchell much either so I can't speak much on him Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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fitzfarm
Posts: 25075 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/28/2010 Member: #3285 |
11/12/2017 6:31 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:fitzfarm wrote:Welpee wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:We also need to realize determining a "winner" shouldn't be based strictly on stats and its possible (probable) for Smith to put better numbers but the Knicks be more than pleased with what Frank brings to the table. If both players provide their teams with what they need both players come out of this a winner. But yeah, statistically you have to objectively say Smith has started out as the better player.knickstorrents wrote:DS Jr is shooting 41% overall and 30% from 3. He doesn't have court vision, he's small, he is not a plus defender. Why do we need him? He reminds me of Derrick Rose, and not in a good way. I try and watch every nba game, I’ve seen 10 mavs games, so far this year. yea they are not a fun team to watch. Yes DSJ right now is a terrible defender, he plays rose level defense. He also takes plays off ala Steph marbury. Speaking of marbury yes I see a lot of marbury in DSJ’s game, DSJ needs the ball in his hands to have a positive efficiency in the game. He’s not a elite shooter by any means but can score in bunches a lot like marbury. When his shot is on it opens the whole floor for him, and he can really attack the basket like marbury use to do. I question DSJ’s work ethic and desire just like i did when he played in college, on a losing team that he controlled as the pg/number one option. I’ve been watching DSJ for a lot longer then ten games to make a pretty sound assessment on him as a player right now. He is a scorer their is no doubt about that, and when he is scoring he can rack up assists. He’s not very active off the ball yet, he plays when the ball is in his hands. when and if he ever becomes a active player off the ball it could really make him dangerous . It looks as if he stops playing when the ball isnt in his hands, again desire to be a team player is in question just like it was in college. Like marbury the guy is a super talent on offense with the ball in his hands. Defense he really has issues keeping up with his man. His lateral quickness is still a work in progress and he really is lazy when trying to get over screens, I shouldn’t Even say get over screens he never gets over screens Smith is always selecting to go under screens. Also he has issues on switching, there seems to be anxiety when he is on a different player sometimes leaving him all together just to get back to his man. If their is any positive on defense it’s like marbury he can get into the passing lanes for a steal or two. He really takes a noticable amount of plays off on defense. Im sure if you asked a mavs fan they would all tell you he needs to work on defense. Like marbury all the talent is there, it will come down to work ethic and desire. Also I’m not selling the kid short on the marbury comparison, marbury was a fantastic player for many years a all star.
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reub
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11/12/2017 9:31 PM
fitzfarm wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:fitzfarm wrote:Welpee wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:We also need to realize determining a "winner" shouldn't be based strictly on stats and its possible (probable) for Smith to put better numbers but the Knicks be more than pleased with what Frank brings to the table. If both players provide their teams with what they need both players come out of this a winner. But yeah, statistically you have to objectively say Smith has started out as the better player.knickstorrents wrote:DS Jr is shooting 41% overall and 30% from 3. He doesn't have court vision, he's small, he is not a plus defender. Why do we need him? He reminds me of Derrick Rose, and not in a good way. Dennis Smith is lucky that he has Carlisle as a coach. He might be able to save him and his game. Frank doesn't need to learn how to play defense or team ball and doesn't need a coach to save him. |