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fishmike
Posts: 53040 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
10/28/2017 4:25 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:total apology. I misread. I thought you were saying whoop de doo and fans were just awestruck by simply quality play. I didnt realize you were saying you were impressed by his play or missed it. My bad. Im glad. Nothing crazy but we got a nice taste of why he was drafted. Substance over style. Im with you. Sorry again.fishmike wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:sorry but this is the lamest post ever dude.EnySpree wrote:Jmpasq wrote:EnySpree wrote:nixluva wrote:Zebo13 wrote:nixluva wrote:Nitty is a different type of PG. IMO he’s more in the mold of a Billups. Big, Long, Strong, High IQ and Defensive PG!Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
10/29/2017 9:52 PM
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27152 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
10/31/2017 10:12 AM LAST EDITED: 10/31/2017 10:15 AM
fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:If DSJr had a monster game people would jump all over it. Last night he puts up 17 min, 2 pts, 1 assist, 4 to, -21 +/- and not a peep? Not to mention Dallas is now 1-7.yea he's just another guy on another team. There were a lot of dudes saying dumb stuff... how not picking him would set us back many years, how Frank was only a wingspan guy, wasnt a PG and my favorite "is only a triangle pick." Wait wait wait. So Frank 5,2,2 (See Nix's many posts of video) and he is now better. I mean I like Frank but lets stay the course. And what happened to all the talk of "Lets wait while to see who pans out" when DSJR has a good game? Lmao. But yes, Dallas is not a good team. If you watch the games, Dirk looks like he broke his hip. But DSJR has been a very good fascilitator, thus far. And yes, he had a bad game. I really hope tha Frank proves me wrong. But my point has always been, the 8th pick is where you take a guy that can be a break out star not a solid defender that can be had in later rounds. So far, bad game or not, if you watch both guys, DSJR seems like he has that break out star potential and Frank seems like the solid defender. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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martin
Posts: 67903 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
10/31/2017 10:14 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:If DSJr had a monster game people would jump all over it. Last night he puts up 17 min, 2 pts, 1 assist, 4 to, -21 +/- and not a peep? Not to mention Dallas is now 1-7.yea he's just another guy on another team. There were a lot of dudes saying dumb stuff... how not picking him would set us back many years, how Frank was only a wingspan guy, wasnt a PG and my favorite "is only a triangle pick." Eyes of the beholder. For me, Frank being a solid defender is the rock bottom of what he could be. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
10/31/2017 10:20 AM
martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:If DSJr had a monster game people would jump all over it. Last night he puts up 17 min, 2 pts, 1 assist, 4 to, -21 +/- and not a peep? Not to mention Dallas is now 1-7.yea he's just another guy on another team. There were a lot of dudes saying dumb stuff... how not picking him would set us back many years, how Frank was only a wingspan guy, wasnt a PG and my favorite "is only a triangle pick." Exactly! Nitty is a PG and it would be easy to call his own number more! He has WAY more that he could be doing but he’s a WINNING player who isn’t looking to be a highlight king. He does what the team needs. There will come a time when Nitty looks for his offense more but he’s not forcing the issue, which is great. For him it’s about TEAM first. |
HofstraBBall
Posts: 27152 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
10/31/2017 10:24 AM
martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:If DSJr had a monster game people would jump all over it. Last night he puts up 17 min, 2 pts, 1 assist, 4 to, -21 +/- and not a peep? Not to mention Dallas is now 1-7.yea he's just another guy on another team. There were a lot of dudes saying dumb stuff... how not picking him would set us back many years, how Frank was only a wingspan guy, wasnt a PG and my favorite "is only a triangle pick." I agree. And btw, this banter is not about Frank, imo. He is a Knick and I will always root for him. This back and forth with Fish (Or anyone else) is about the 8th pick. As I have said many times, think that a player like Frank (Average offensive game but athletic in build for defense) could have been obtained with a later pick. (See DOTSON). To me its like an NFL team picking a lineman as their first round pick. Yes they are extremely important but to me, I see your first rounder as a QB, RB or WR. Guys that can impact the game with one play. Linemans can be taken in later rounds. Do you pick Steph Curry, who was considered undersized and one dimensional or an Earl Clark, who was considered a physical specimen, in 2009? 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27152 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
10/31/2017 10:25 AM
nixluva wrote:martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:If DSJr had a monster game people would jump all over it. Last night he puts up 17 min, 2 pts, 1 assist, 4 to, -21 +/- and not a peep? Not to mention Dallas is now 1-7.yea he's just another guy on another team. There were a lot of dudes saying dumb stuff... how not picking him would set us back many years, how Frank was only a wingspan guy, wasnt a PG and my favorite "is only a triangle pick." A JET fan would appreciate this analogy. Lol I agree. And btw, this banter is not about Frank, imo. He is a Knick and I will always root for him. This back and forth with Fish (Or anyone else) is about the 8th pick. As I have said many times, think that a player like Frank (Average offensive game but athletic in build for defense) could have been obtained with a later pick. (See DOTSON). 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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ekstarks94
Posts: 21011 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/5/2015 Member: #6104 |
10/31/2017 10:34 AM
nixluva wrote:martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:If DSJr had a monster game people would jump all over it. Last night he puts up 17 min, 2 pts, 1 assist, 4 to, -21 +/- and not a peep? Not to mention Dallas is now 1-7.yea he's just another guy on another team. There were a lot of dudes saying dumb stuff... how not picking him would set us back many years, how Frank was only a wingspan guy, wasnt a PG and my favorite "is only a triangle pick." When Frank gets comfortable he will display more...also make more mistakes which he can learn from.....when I used to played regularly...and played against dudes I knew used to play around the city...I was a bit hesitent until I got in the flow and saw how they played and then my flair started showing and playing to their competition...the talent was there, but people forget basketball is a mental game as well....when you have confidence that you can hang with guys you will start making moves that u would do regularly with your boys or folks you play with regularly...there is no judgment with them..u know that they know u can play.... Frank is still feeling himself out.....good example is his shooting the first couple of outings.....now he buries a 3 in a close game with no hessy.....it will be the same thing with his handle...he will learn how to better protect the ball and use the Euro shiftness..... |
nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
10/31/2017 10:39 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:nixluva wrote:martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:If DSJr had a monster game people would jump all over it. Last night he puts up 17 min, 2 pts, 1 assist, 4 to, -21 +/- and not a peep? Not to mention Dallas is now 1-7.yea he's just another guy on another team. There were a lot of dudes saying dumb stuff... how not picking him would set us back many years, how Frank was only a wingspan guy, wasnt a PG and my favorite "is only a triangle pick." I see Frank as an Atypical 8th Pick but he’s more like Kawhi. He’s SO Special on D and with intangibles that you can’t look at him like a typical scoring star type. There actually aren’t any guys later in the draft that match Nitty’s abilities. His IQ is very high. You can see how he sees the floor and anticipates. If he was more selfish people wouldn’t have so many doubts about his value level. I get the feeling that if the team NEEDED him to score that he’d look for his shot more. Instead he picks his spots. |
BigDaddyG
Posts: 37419 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
10/31/2017 10:40 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:nixluva wrote:martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:If DSJr had a monster game people would jump all over it. Last night he puts up 17 min, 2 pts, 1 assist, 4 to, -21 +/- and not a peep? Not to mention Dallas is now 1-7.yea he's just another guy on another team. There were a lot of dudes saying dumb stuff... how not picking him would set us back many years, how Frank was only a wingspan guy, wasnt a PG and my favorite "is only a triangle pick." Exactly, Frank is the QB we picked in the first round. It's easier to find 3 and D wings later in the draft. But Frank has the potential to be an impact, two-way player at the PG slot. Way harder to find. Frank's court vision seems above average, to me anyway, and he seems a bit ahead of schedule in terms of running a team. Nothing average about that. Almost every mock draft had him in the lottery, even before our interest in him was leaked. By your logic, Frank was an obvious choice for us. You can argue whether or not we should have picked DSjr, but the argument that Frank wasn't worthy of a lottery pick is weaker. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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NYKBocker
Posts: 37879 Alba Posts: 474 Joined: 1/14/2003 Member: #377 USA |
10/31/2017 10:41 AM
nixluva wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:nixluva wrote:martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:If DSJr had a monster game people would jump all over it. Last night he puts up 17 min, 2 pts, 1 assist, 4 to, -21 +/- and not a peep? Not to mention Dallas is now 1-7.yea he's just another guy on another team. There were a lot of dudes saying dumb stuff... how not picking him would set us back many years, how Frank was only a wingspan guy, wasnt a PG and my favorite "is only a triangle pick." I actually see a little bit of Rondo in his game. Hopefully, with a better shot which he looks like he does. |
fitzfarm
Posts: 25060 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/28/2010 Member: #3285 |
10/31/2017 10:51 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:If DSJr had a monster game people would jump all over it. Last night he puts up 17 min, 2 pts, 1 assist, 4 to, -21 +/- and not a peep? Not to mention Dallas is now 1-7.yea he's just another guy on another team. There were a lot of dudes saying dumb stuff... how not picking him would set us back many years, how Frank was only a wingspan guy, wasnt a PG and my favorite "is only a triangle pick." I completely disagree, DSJ’s are a dime a dozen. What separates him from a d rose or step marbury, nothing. His defense is marginal at best and he takes plays off and although he gets assists he doesn’t really do anything to make your team better, very much like a D rose in his stats don’t translate into wins. DSJ is a flash in the pan, on quite possibly the worst team in the nba. Frank has Played 21 minutes as his high minute mark, in the three games frank has played we have won all three and frank has made contributions on both ends. One thing people don’t realize is, frank is a pass first pg in the form of a ball he just always makes the right pass, and his play makes the game easier for his teammates. He’s also a sharp shooter, which we will see once the bright lights dim for him. With KP breaking out into super stardom, and the savy vet play of jack. We couldn’t have put frank in a better position to become a future star player. He’s getting to watch a guy like jack just set up his teammates and have a positive impact on the game frank is seeing what it takes to get wins in the nba. That’s way more valuable then crossing up your defender and throwing down a monster dunk while taking a play off on the defensive side to negate the play. The NBA is changing and NBA GM’s are getting smarter that’s why a player like Dennis smith slid in the draft all the way to 9 because his play although highlight reel worthy, just doesn’t translate into NBA wins. While Franks game only benefits your team in every way making the game easier for his teammates on both ends of the floor. Frank could care less if he shoots the entire game as long as his team wins. Frank is not just a OK solid defender he has potential to be one of the best if not the best defensive guards in the NBA, as well as a top pass first pg. That my friend is a future star in the making. I see a lot of Clyde in franks game! I take frank over DSJ everyday of the week for this knicks team. |