fitzfarm wrote:I think Beasley has a breakout year and I think horny goes small to start games I see,

Starters

Frank
Baker
THjr
Beasley
KP

I think this is the best starting line up for the knicks, One it puts the ball in KP’s hands with two pass first pg’s and gives him weapons to pass to when teams double team KP in Beasley and THJR. I want Frankie to start the best way to learn is to be thrown into the fire and if he is part of our core future like KP he should start from day one. Having Baker in their to gives him some guidance as well as creating one of the most dynamic defensive backcourts in the nba. Weakness is front court defense in this line up but this line up will light up the scoreboard.

Bench
Jack
Lee,dotson
McDermott
Willy
Kanter
Lance
Kuz
O’Quinn
Noah

I think we need to try and move Noah,Lee, and O’Quinn for draft picks and expiring or 2 year deals No way Noah gets minutes over KP,Kanter,Willy horny already had a super short leash on him last year, he is a zero on offense its 4 vs 5 on that side of the court when Noah is in the game.

Willy needs to be groomed to take over the 4 spot I see a lot of LMA in him he is only 6’10 and is quick but like kanter I really see Willy as a situational player until he improves his defense. I see him and Kanter splitting the back up center spot and playing lots of minutes and mixing KP in at the 4.

Dotson will make lee Play for his minutes the guy is a lights out sharp shooter who can defend a Line up of jack,dotson,McDermott,Willy,Kanter can really light it up. I think Perry is already looking for trades to balance out this roster

What I like about the depth though is when horny sees a player is struggling he has major options to replace them in KUZ,O’Quinn,sessions,Lance,Dotson I see these guys fighting for minutes and getting random windows of opportunity.

I just don’t know if Lance will beat out McDermott for minutes I wouldn’t be surprised if he dose but with horny going back to small speed ball i see McDermott getting lances minutes for his sharp shooting abilities.

This is a tough call on the bench because there’s lots of talent and depth someone’s going to sit and lose out.

You have to start Willy or Kanter you can't play them together. They actually have very similar strengths and weaknesses. Both need a rim protector to play with them. The team still needs a Defensive wing, and a rim protecting 4

What I would do

Kanter
KP
Lance Thomas
Hardwaway
Baker/Sessions/Jack

Willy
O'Quinn
Beasley
Lee
Frank Ntklitana

Those are the 10 I would play every night

Thats probably the best we can do. I really wish we could of sent him to Portland Harkless is exactly what we needed.

What I think Hornaceck will do is screw up the team and run out Noah as the starting Center

Noah
KP
Lee
Hardaway
Baker

Kanter
O'Quinn/WIlly based on game
Thomas
Frank Ntklatana
Sessions

Beasley never plays

Knixkik wrote:Kanter, porzingis, lee, hardaway, and ntilikina starting
Willy, Beasley, Thomas, McDermott, and sessions off the bench.

I would love to see that starting lineup but it leaves the bench so vulnerable in the backcourt. Lee at least stabilizes the unit some

sg- thj/ lee/baker- I expect all three to be staples of the rotation so they will use thj at the 3 too. thj is our beta and he should play like one with the amount of $$ he got. lee will spell him with baker coming in for defensive purposes

sf- Beasley/ Thomas/McDermott/ kuz- Beasley is starting strictly because he is the third scorer. Thomas should be the next off the bench because he can do everything decently. he is the best defender at this position. kuz is the odd man out as well as McDermott. he might just be a specialist only.

pf- porzingis/ O'Quinn/kanter- really there is no real back up pf so O'Quinn should be the back up. he can defend, he is tough and can hit the 15 footer/ I can also see kanter getting time here

c- hernangomez/ kanter/ noah- the only sure thing is that hernangomez will start. kanter should be the first sub because he is a good scorer and will pace the second unit. noah is the unknown factor here. if healthy, he could be our best defender at the position. but that is a big if.

EwingsGlass wrote:NYK
PG Baker, Ntilikina, Randle, XRM, Jack, Sessions, Jaramaz
SG Hardaway, Lee, Dotson
SF Beasley, Kuz, Artis, Thomas, McDermott
PF KP6 Kornet (2 way), Hayes
C Kanter, Hernangomez, O'Quinn, Noah

22 players. You are allowed 15 + two 2 way contracts. There will be blood.

I read today that Baker is being considered more for 2 than PG. makes sense when we see the roster you produced.

I don’t think Frank starts, and I think Lee and THJr and McDermott can all play 3 alone mg with Kuz. Beasley will presumably start.

TPercy wrote:Crowder for KOQ, Kuzminkas, and 2018 second round pick?

Good Idea - NOt sure NY needs to throw in the pick. Crowder would sure up the toughness and perimeter D.

Would Cleveland do it? KOQ helps their front court for sure. Kuz? Another heady player who can shoot. Maybe.

Jmpasq wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I think Beasley has a breakout year and I think horny goes small to start games I see,

Starters

Frank
Baker
THjr
Beasley
KP

I think this is the best starting line up for the knicks, One it puts the ball in KP’s hands with two pass first pg’s and gives him weapons to pass to when teams double team KP in Beasley and THJR. I want Frankie to start the best way to learn is to be thrown into the fire and if he is part of our core future like KP he should start from day one. Having Baker in their to gives him some guidance as well as creating one of the most dynamic defensive backcourts in the nba. Weakness is front court defense in this line up but this line up will light up the scoreboard.

Bench
Jack
Lee,dotson
McDermott
Willy
Kanter
Lance
Kuz
O’Quinn
Noah

I think we need to try and move Noah,Lee, and O’Quinn for draft picks and expiring or 2 year deals No way Noah gets minutes over KP,Kanter,Willy horny already had a super short leash on him last year, he is a zero on offense its 4 vs 5 on that side of the court when Noah is in the game.

Willy needs to be groomed to take over the 4 spot I see a lot of LMA in him he is only 6’10 and is quick but like kanter I really see Willy as a situational player until he improves his defense. I see him and Kanter splitting the back up center spot and playing lots of minutes and mixing KP in at the 4.

Dotson will make lee Play for his minutes the guy is a lights out sharp shooter who can defend a Line up of jack,dotson,McDermott,Willy,Kanter can really light it up. I think Perry is already looking for trades to balance out this roster

What I like about the depth though is when horny sees a player is struggling he has major options to replace them in KUZ,O’Quinn,sessions,Lance,Dotson I see these guys fighting for minutes and getting random windows of opportunity.

I just don’t know if Lance will beat out McDermott for minutes I wouldn’t be surprised if he dose but with horny going back to small speed ball i see McDermott getting lances minutes for his sharp shooting abilities.

This is a tough call on the bench because there’s lots of talent and depth someone’s going to sit and lose out.

You have to start Willy or Kanter you can't play them together. They actually have very similar strengths and weaknesses. Both need a rim protector to play with them. The team still needs a Defensive wing, and a rim protecting 4

What I would do

Kanter
KP
Lance Thomas
Hardwaway
Baker/Sessions/Jack

Willy
O'Quinn
Beasley
Lee
Frank Ntklitana

Those are the 10 I would play every night

Thats probably the best we can do. I really wish we could of sent him to Portland Harkless is exactly what we needed.

What I think Hornaceck will do is screw up the team and run out Noah as the starting Center

Noah
KP
Lee
Hardaway
Baker

Kanter
O'Quinn/WIlly based on game
Thomas
Frank Ntklatana
Sessions

Beasley never plays

There is a glut of bigs. KOQ was good last year and earned his minutes. Also a big reason we hung around .500 was Noah's defense early. KP said when he went down so did the defense. I dont know how it plays out. Someone's minutes are going to be gone.

I think the ONLY players who are starter right now are Timmy and KP.
Starting PG is up for grabs. Frank? Baker? Sessions? Jack? All have legit give and takes.

Starting SF is up for grabs. Does Lee's good play earn him a start and Timmy starts at SF? Lance? Kuz? Beas? I think Dotson might be a legit dark horse.

Starting center is up for grabs. KOQ earned his time there last year and backed it with solid play and effort. Willy is the future, or is he? Kanter was a monster off the bench last year. Maybe he and Frank kill it in the P&R off the bench.

Lots of questions. I like the overall youth and the options for a good team offense. I dont expect a ton of wins, nor do I expect a total disaster. Its definitely a rebuilding year but that doesnt mean we cant play some decent ball for stretch. Its about the young guys getting better. Lets see that

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I think Beasley has a breakout year and I think horny goes small to start games I see,

Starters

Frank
Baker
THjr
Beasley
KP

I think this is the best starting line up for the knicks, One it puts the ball in KP’s hands with two pass first pg’s and gives him weapons to pass to when teams double team KP in Beasley and THJR. I want Frankie to start the best way to learn is to be thrown into the fire and if he is part of our core future like KP he should start from day one. Having Baker in their to gives him some guidance as well as creating one of the most dynamic defensive backcourts in the nba. Weakness is front court defense in this line up but this line up will light up the scoreboard.

Bench
Jack
Lee,dotson
McDermott
Willy
Kanter
Lance
Kuz
O’Quinn
Noah

I think we need to try and move Noah,Lee, and O’Quinn for draft picks and expiring or 2 year deals No way Noah gets minutes over KP,Kanter,Willy horny already had a super short leash on him last year, he is a zero on offense its 4 vs 5 on that side of the court when Noah is in the game.

Willy needs to be groomed to take over the 4 spot I see a lot of LMA in him he is only 6’10 and is quick but like kanter I really see Willy as a situational player until he improves his defense. I see him and Kanter splitting the back up center spot and playing lots of minutes and mixing KP in at the 4.

Dotson will make lee Play for his minutes the guy is a lights out sharp shooter who can defend a Line up of jack,dotson,McDermott,Willy,Kanter can really light it up. I think Perry is already looking for trades to balance out this roster

What I like about the depth though is when horny sees a player is struggling he has major options to replace them in KUZ,O’Quinn,sessions,Lance,Dotson I see these guys fighting for minutes and getting random windows of opportunity.

I just don’t know if Lance will beat out McDermott for minutes I wouldn’t be surprised if he dose but with horny going back to small speed ball i see McDermott getting lances minutes for his sharp shooting abilities.

This is a tough call on the bench because there’s lots of talent and depth someone’s going to sit and lose out.

You have to start Willy or Kanter you can't play them together. They actually have very similar strengths and weaknesses. Both need a rim protector to play with them. The team still needs a Defensive wing, and a rim protecting 4

What I would do

Kanter
KP
Lance Thomas
Hardwaway
Baker/Sessions/Jack

Willy
O'Quinn
Beasley
Lee
Frank Ntklitana

Those are the 10 I would play every night

Thats probably the best we can do. I really wish we could of sent him to Portland Harkless is exactly what we needed.

What I think Hornaceck will do is screw up the team and run out Noah as the starting Center

Noah
KP
Lee
Hardaway
Baker

Kanter
O'Quinn/WIlly based on game
Thomas
Frank Ntklatana
Sessions

Beasley never plays

Hornacek loves Willy. Jeff was guard. Willy sets bruising picks and is a fantastic passer. He's also good on the boards. Willy's shortcomings on D are more experience than anything else. He's shown a lot of moments of excellent defense. Other times he's gotten lost. These are normal growing pains, but dont think for a second Willy gets buried.

There is a glut of bigs. KOQ was good last year and earned his minutes. Also a big reason we hung around .500 was Noah's defense early. KP said when he went down so did the defense. I dont know how it plays out. Someone's minutes are going to be gone.

I think the ONLY players who are starter right now are Timmy and KP.
Starting PG is up for grabs. Frank? Baker? Sessions? Jack? All have legit give and takes.

Starting SF is up for grabs. Does Lee's good play earn him a start and Timmy starts at SF? Lance? Kuz? Beas? I think Dotson might be a legit dark horse.

Starting center is up for grabs. KOQ earned his time there last year and backed it with solid play and effort. Willy is the future, or is he? Kanter was a monster off the bench last year. Maybe he and Frank kill it in the P&R off the bench.

Lots of questions. I like the overall youth and the options for a good team offense. I dont expect a ton of wins, nor do I expect a total disaster. Its definitely a rebuilding year but that doesnt mean we cant play some decent ball for stretch. Its about the young guys getting better. Lets see that

We have 3 new "defensively challenged" players in Kanter, McDermott, and Beasley who I have never looked at with any kind of scrutiny. Perhaps they've grown as defenders, perhaps they are as bad as advertised...I just don't have much personal knowledge about them.

We will see.

jazz74 wrote:pg- jack/ntilikina/sessions: jack is starting the season starting but I fully expect if development is going well, frank should be starting after all star break. I think we would use baker more for shooting guard than pg which is why he is omitted

sg- thj/ lee/baker- I expect all three to be staples of the rotation so they will use thj at the 3 too. thj is our beta and he should play like one with the amount of $$ he got. lee will spell him with baker coming in for defensive purposes

sf- Beasley/ Thomas/McDermott/ kuz- Beasley is starting strictly because he is the third scorer. Thomas should be the next off the bench because he can do everything decently. he is the best defender at this position. kuz is the odd man out as well as McDermott. he might just be a specialist only.

pf- porzingis/ O'Quinn/kanter- really there is no real back up pf so O'Quinn should be the back up. he can defend, he is tough and can hit the 15 footer/ I can also see kanter getting time here

c- hernangomez/ kanter/ noah- the only sure thing is that hernangomez will start. kanter should be the first sub because he is a good scorer and will pace the second unit. noah is the unknown factor here. if healthy, he could be our best defender at the position. but that is a big if.

I would rather have Baker at PG, he might end up doing the best job finding the open man. Wouldn't mind Frank alternating between PG and SG. Especially since we have so many PGs. Frank is going to be here for a while, have to figure out which other PGs will be sticking around as well. This would keep him on the court, and keep Lee's minutes down for a possible trade down the road.

If Kanter can show some improvement on team D, I believe you're right that he will be ahead of Noah. But Im not sure who will be starting of those 3. The only real two way player is Noah, but we know the deal with him. Will Kanter or Hernangomez play better D? Too early to tell IMO.

Thomas can play D, if he's healthy Im guessing he will start. Beasley has been lacking in that dept.