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BRIGGS
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9/13/2017  9:38 AM
c--kp
F-- Beasley
F--lance Thomas
G Tim Hardaway
G Frank N

6th man Carmelo
7th willy G
8th C Lee
9 Dotson
10 Baker

I think this line up( as long as frank and Dotson earn it) might do some damage. You are promoting Kp to the # 1 spot but you still have Beasley and Timmy for the extra punch scoring with Lance as the role player to balance.

In unit 2 I'd expect big contribution from Carmelo in the way of a ginobli or Mchale as a 28 minute 6 man. And same contributions from willy surrounded by 3 guards-- can also use Kuz oquinn and Sessions in different match ups
Keep all minutes down for all players to 30 max

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9/13/2017  10:15 AM
I would rather have..
C-KP
PF-Willy
SF-Lance Thomas
SG-Hardaway Jr
PG-Frank

Bench - Melo, Baker, Dotson, Kuz, CLee

A 3 man rotation on C/PF of KP, Willy and Melo.
A 3 man rotation on SF of Lance, Kuz, and CLee
A 4 man rotation on Guards of Frank, Hardaway, Baker, and CLee

KOQ, Beasley on emergency

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9/13/2017  10:22 AM
BRIGGS wrote:c--kp
F-- Beasley
F--lance Thomas
G Tim Hardaway
G Frank N

6th man Carmelo
7th willy G
8th C Lee
9 Dotson
10 Baker

I think this line up( as long as frank and Dotson earn it) might do some damage. You are promoting Kp to the # 1 spot but you still have Beasley and Timmy for the extra punch scoring with Lance as the role player to balance.

In unit 2 I'd expect big contribution from Carmelo in the way of a ginobli or Mchale as a 28 minute 6 man. And same contributions from willy surrounded by 3 guards-- can also use Kuz oquinn and Sessions in different match ups
Keep all minutes down for all players to 30 max

Do you live in the real world? Have a real job? You trade equities right? Lets say you were the top producer at your trading firm for say 7 straight years. Then the firm decided to bring in some new blood. Younger less experienced guys, but high potential. Maybe quant from MIT out of college. Maybe a guy from another firm. Now they tell you all your trades must be approved by these kids. Oh.. and your capital has been cut in half. Now I am sure you are just going to embrace this right? Be a good soldier? Maybe give the new kids as much knowledge as you can?

Wake up. There is zero reason or chance. You asking Melo to play behind Lance Thomas and Beasley... a guy's best days were in... China? You show reality here. This is not a video game. This is not your kid's youth league. These are professional grown men

Maybe can revisit this in a week when you post the same thing again

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9/13/2017  10:32 AM
fishmike wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:c--kp
F-- Beasley
F--lance Thomas
G Tim Hardaway
G Frank N

6th man Carmelo
7th willy G
8th C Lee
9 Dotson
10 Baker

I think this line up( as long as frank and Dotson earn it) might do some damage. You are promoting Kp to the # 1 spot but you still have Beasley and Timmy for the extra punch scoring with Lance as the role player to balance.

In unit 2 I'd expect big contribution from Carmelo in the way of a ginobli or Mchale as a 28 minute 6 man. And same contributions from willy surrounded by 3 guards-- can also use Kuz oquinn and Sessions in different match ups
Keep all minutes down for all players to 30 max

Do you live in the real world? Have a real job? You trade equities right? Lets say you were the top producer at your trading firm for say 7 straight years. Then the firm decided to bring in some new blood. Younger less experienced guys, but high potential. Maybe quant from MIT out of college. Maybe a guy from another firm. Now they tell you all your trades must be approved by these kids. Oh.. and your capital has been cut in half. Now I am sure you are just going to embrace this right? Be a good soldier? Maybe give the new kids as much knowledge as you can?

Wake up. There is zero reason or chance. You asking Melo to play behind Lance Thomas and Beasley... a guy's best days were in... China? You show reality here. This is not a video game. This is not your kid's youth league. These are professional grown men

Maybe can revisit this in a week when you post the same thing again


+1
Welcome back fish. (yeah, I'm not quite sure what I'm welcoming you back to, either) This post brought real tears to my eyes. Thank you.

Start Beasely. Michael effin Beasely.
It's come to this.

You guys spend a lot of time commenting on the internet?
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9/13/2017  10:47 AM
NYKBocker wrote:I would rather have..
C-KP
PF-Willy
SF-Lance Thomas
SG-Hardaway Jr
PG-Frank

Bench - Melo, Baker, Dotson, Kuz, CLee

A 3 man rotation on C/PF of KP, Willy and Melo.
A 3 man rotation on SF of Lance, Kuz, and CLee
A 4 man rotation on Guards of Frank, Hardaway, Baker, and CLee

KOQ, Beasley on emergency

Me too. If you start KP and Willy, it's important to have an athletic defender and floor spacer at the 3. My long-term goal is to find a better version of Lance Thomas to fill the SF position. Someone like Jae Crowder basically.

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9/13/2017  10:52 AM
I would think Sessions will be part of the rotation either as a starter or coming off the bench.

Kuz will see more time this season as well.

Willy
KP
Kuz
ThJr
Frank

Noah
Oquinn
LT
Lee
Sessions

If Melo is moved of course....if not.

KP
Melo
Lee
THjr
Sessions

Willy
Noah/Oquinn
Kuz/LT
Dotson
Frnak

Yet another mistake by Dolan. When will it end?
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9/13/2017  11:01 AM
Zero chance that Melo will agree to come off the bench.
Title odds are 200:1. So you're saying there's a chance!
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9/13/2017  11:09 AM
BRIGGS wrote:c--kp
F-- Beasley
F--lance Thomas
G Tim Hardaway
G Frank N

6th man Carmelo
7th willy G
8th C Lee
9 Dotson
10 Baker

I think this line up( as long as frank and Dotson earn it) might do some damage. You are promoting Kp to the # 1 spot but you still have Beasley and Timmy for the extra punch scoring with Lance as the role player to balance.

In unit 2 I'd expect big contribution from Carmelo in the way of a ginobli or Mchale as a 28 minute 6 man. And same contributions from willy surrounded by 3 guards-- can also use Kuz oquinn and Sessions in different match ups
Keep all minutes down for all players to 30 max

I still like to know how you went from "25 wins tops" a month ago because they didn't have a real point guard and brought back pretty much the same team to "might do some damage".

Michael Beasley, really?

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9/13/2017  12:51 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:c--kp
F-- Beasley
F--lance Thomas
G Tim Hardaway
G Frank N

6th man Carmelo
7th willy G
8th C Lee
9 Dotson
10 Baker

I think this line up( as long as frank and Dotson earn it) might do some damage. You are promoting Kp to the # 1 spot but you still have Beasley and Timmy for the extra punch scoring with Lance as the role player to balance.

In unit 2 I'd expect big contribution from Carmelo in the way of a ginobli or Mchale as a 28 minute 6 man. And same contributions from willy surrounded by 3 guards-- can also use Kuz oquinn and Sessions in different match ups
Keep all minutes down for all players to 30 max

I still like to know how you went from "25 wins tops" a month ago because they didn't have a real point guard and brought back pretty much the same team to "might do some damage".

Michael Beasley, really?

If anyone watched the NBA last year--BEFORE Beasley got hurt--he was playing a great brand of basketball. He played very well on BOTH ends--and I think you can go ask any Buck fan and they would say the same thing.

Thesis here--we move KP to #1 option but we give Carmelo a role of playing 6th man--which in this league could be viewed as the third most important position in basketball. Whether it is or not--thats okay--we want to feature KP but we also want Carmelo to be a secondary anchoir player--and I think at 33 thats reasonable where the club is.

Mike Beasley

If you make KP the #1 than you have Beasley and THJ as the other top scorers. You have a role player who is tough"Thomas" and IF he earns it Fran as the facitator who can hit 3s and guard the opposing PG.

You bring in Melo and Willy 6 minutes into q1--let them run to mid 2nd quarter--and go back to unit 1. This way all of Melo KP Willy are playing staggered minutes where each can be a main component minutes are kept to a minimum to keep guys healthy(which I think should be a standard this year--no injuries)

You are letting KP THJ and Beasley carry the offense the first 6 minutes--and we will have a bigger club running than we did last year--a little better D and more balanced O with the transition from Melo to KP as number 1.

I dont think its much of a big deal--its balanced--this is a TEAM game

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9/13/2017  1:03 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:c--kp
F-- Beasley
F--lance Thomas
G Tim Hardaway
G Frank N

6th man Carmelo
7th willy G
8th C Lee
9 Dotson
10 Baker

I think this line up( as long as frank and Dotson earn it) might do some damage. You are promoting Kp to the # 1 spot but you still have Beasley and Timmy for the extra punch scoring with Lance as the role player to balance.

In unit 2 I'd expect big contribution from Carmelo in the way of a ginobli or Mchale as a 28 minute 6 man. And same contributions from willy surrounded by 3 guards-- can also use Kuz oquinn and Sessions in different match ups
Keep all minutes down for all players to 30 max

I still like to know how you went from "25 wins tops" a month ago because they didn't have a real point guard and brought back pretty much the same team to "might do some damage".

Michael Beasley, really?

If anyone watched the NBA last year--BEFORE Beasley got hurt--he was playing a great brand of basketball. He played very well on BOTH ends--and I think you can go ask any Buck fan and they would say the same thing.

Thesis here--we move KP to #1 option but we give Carmelo a role of playing 6th man--which in this league could be viewed as the third most important position in basketball. Whether it is or not--thats okay--we want to feature KP but we also want Carmelo to be a secondary anchoir player--and I think at 33 thats reasonable where the club is.

Mike Beasley

If you make KP the #1 than you have Beasley and THJ as the other top scorers. You have a role player who is tough"Thomas" and IF he earns it Fran as the facitator who can hit 3s and guard the opposing PG.

You bring in Melo and Willy 6 minutes into q1--let them run to mid 2nd quarter--and go back to unit 1. This way all of Melo KP Willy are playing staggered minutes where each can be a main component minutes are kept to a minimum to keep guys healthy(which I think should be a standard this year--no injuries)

You are letting KP THJ and Beasley carry the offense the first 6 minutes--and we will have a bigger club running than we did last year--a little better D and more balanced O with the transition from Melo to KP as number 1.

I dont think its much of a big deal--its balanced--this is a TEAM game

If the addition of Michael Beasley single-handedly transforms this team from the 25-win team you declared they were, to a legitimate competitive team, then he'll deserve the MVP and Mills executive of the year.

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9/13/2017  1:25 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Zero chance that Melo will agree to come off the bench.

I hope so, cause then he might actually widen his list.

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9/13/2017  1:33 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:c--kp
F-- Beasley
F--lance Thomas
G Tim Hardaway
G Frank N

6th man Carmelo
7th willy G
8th C Lee
9 Dotson
10 Baker

I think this line up( as long as frank and Dotson earn it) might do some damage. You are promoting Kp to the # 1 spot but you still have Beasley and Timmy for the extra punch scoring with Lance as the role player to balance.

In unit 2 I'd expect big contribution from Carmelo in the way of a ginobli or Mchale as a 28 minute 6 man. And same contributions from willy surrounded by 3 guards-- can also use Kuz oquinn and Sessions in different match ups
Keep all minutes down for all players to 30 max

I still like to know how you went from "25 wins tops" a month ago because they didn't have a real point guard and brought back pretty much the same team to "might do some damage".

Michael Beasley, really?

If anyone watched the NBA last year--BEFORE Beasley got hurt--he was playing a great brand of basketball. He played very well on BOTH ends--and I think you can go ask any Buck fan and they would say the same thing.

Thesis here--we move KP to #1 option but we give Carmelo a role of playing 6th man--which in this league could be viewed as the third most important position in basketball. Whether it is or not--thats okay--we want to feature KP but we also want Carmelo to be a secondary anchoir player--and I think at 33 thats reasonable where the club is.

Mike Beasley

If you make KP the #1 than you have Beasley and THJ as the other top scorers. You have a role player who is tough"Thomas" and IF he earns it Fran as the facitator who can hit 3s and guard the opposing PG.

You bring in Melo and Willy 6 minutes into q1--let them run to mid 2nd quarter--and go back to unit 1. This way all of Melo KP Willy are playing staggered minutes where each can be a main component minutes are kept to a minimum to keep guys healthy(which I think should be a standard this year--no injuries)

You are letting KP THJ and Beasley carry the offense the first 6 minutes--and we will have a bigger club running than we did last year--a little better D and more balanced O with the transition from Melo to KP as number 1.

I dont think its much of a big deal--its balanced--this is a TEAM game

I think you're overrating his defense. Second, what's the point of plugging in one ball dominant chucker for another. Beasely is an even worse passer than Melo. I'm all for change, but not for the sake of it. Even if this move was realistic, I don't see how it helps us. I don't see KP thriving playing alongside Beasely. In fact, I'm not sure he thrives in a second unit with Willy. Beasely is a niche player. He still hasn't proevn he's a full-time starter, even during his "resurgence." It does help the tank.

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9/13/2017  1:38 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:c--kp
F-- Beasley
F--lance Thomas
G Tim Hardaway
G Frank N

6th man Carmelo
7th willy G
8th C Lee
9 Dotson
10 Baker

I think this line up( as long as frank and Dotson earn it) might do some damage. You are promoting Kp to the # 1 spot but you still have Beasley and Timmy for the extra punch scoring with Lance as the role player to balance.

In unit 2 I'd expect big contribution from Carmelo in the way of a ginobli or Mchale as a 28 minute 6 man. And same contributions from willy surrounded by 3 guards-- can also use Kuz oquinn and Sessions in different match ups
Keep all minutes down for all players to 30 max

I still like to know how you went from "25 wins tops" a month ago because they didn't have a real point guard and brought back pretty much the same team to "might do some damage".

Michael Beasley, really?

If anyone watched the NBA last year--BEFORE Beasley got hurt--he was playing a great brand of basketball. He played very well on BOTH ends--and I think you can go ask any Buck fan and they would say the same thing.

Thesis here--we move KP to #1 option but we give Carmelo a role of playing 6th man--which in this league could be viewed as the third most important position in basketball. Whether it is or not--thats okay--we want to feature KP but we also want Carmelo to be a secondary anchoir player--and I think at 33 thats reasonable where the club is.

Mike Beasley

If you make KP the #1 than you have Beasley and THJ as the other top scorers. You have a role player who is tough"Thomas" and IF he earns it Fran as the facitator who can hit 3s and guard the opposing PG.

You bring in Melo and Willy 6 minutes into q1--let them run to mid 2nd quarter--and go back to unit 1. This way all of Melo KP Willy are playing staggered minutes where each can be a main component minutes are kept to a minimum to keep guys healthy(which I think should be a standard this year--no injuries)

You are letting KP THJ and Beasley carry the offense the first 6 minutes--and we will have a bigger club running than we did last year--a little better D and more balanced O with the transition from Melo to KP as number 1.

I dont think its much of a big deal--its balanced--this is a TEAM game


Briggs this is great. Maybe Jeff can show this to Melo when he explains why he's not starting anymore.
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9/13/2017  1:54 PM
Gimmick starters.
He called Nitti "Fran"

BRIGGS, for your next trick,maybe you can diagram how Beasely can run the GlobeTrotter offense...

You guys spend a lot of time commenting on the internet?
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9/13/2017  1:59 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:I think you're overrating his defense.

He is. Beasley is demonstrably worse than Melo.

This is confirmation bias to the letter.

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9/13/2017  2:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/13/2017  2:51 PM
[–]carlosdelgardo 1 point 4 months ago*
By virtue of league pass, I have watched every game he's been in. I am happy to say that he has improved every facet of his game at least marginally.
He had two stretches where he was out for injuries. Right before each stretch where he sat out, I would say he was probably playing the best basketball of his career, especially in terms of stuff that doesn't show in the traditional stat sheet.
He posted the best shooting and rebounding percentages of his career. Will catch and shoot threes, where even last year he really wanted to dribble into his shot. He can get visibly frustrated if he doesn't get the ball when he's open, but it doesn't diminish his hustle on help defense or on the defensive glass. On another note, he's posting the highest free throw rate of his career, the bulk of his attempts (over 50%) are inside 10 feet. Only 17.5% of his shots come from the mid-range. This is a career low.
Beasley will never be a good man on man defender, but he is willing to put in the effort. He moves his feet, starts off in the right position to meet the drive. Even if he's giving up foot speed defending wings, Beasley can still help funnel and push a dribbler into the path of weak side help. In the post as a positional defender (e.g. when the Bucks go into a zone), he has been a fantastic defensive anchor helping off the weak side and a pretty good defensive rebounder.
His improvement on his 3 point shot has led him to be tasked with waiting in the corner for the kick out. However, his instincts with movement away from the ball remains subpar. If he took a more active roll in cutting away from the ball and diving towards the basket, his stats would look even better.
How good was Beasley? When Khris Middleton went down, Tyler Ennis was traded to Houston for Beasley as a scoring stop gap. Zach Lowe panned the move, boldy stating that Micheal Beasley is never an answer to a basketball question. Not a month latter, Lowe posted 'Beasley has been kinda okay this year' on twitter. Not four months after that, Lowe has nothing but nice things to say.
See here: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18843801/zach-lowe-2017-luke-walton-all-stars-nba
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https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/beaslmi01.html

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BRIGGS wrote:[–]carlosdelgardo 1 point 4 months ago*
By virtue of league pass, I have watched every game he's been in. I am happy to say that he has improved every facet of his game at least marginally.
He had two stretches where he was out for injuries. Right before each stretch where he sat out, I would say he was probably playing the best basketball of his career, especially in terms of stuff that doesn't show in the traditional stat sheet.
He posted the best shooting and rebounding percentages of his career. Will catch and shoot threes, where even last year he really wanted to dribble into his shot. He can get visibly frustrated if he doesn't get the ball when he's open, but it doesn't diminish his hustle on help defense or on the defensive glass. On another note, he's posting the highest free throw rate of his career, the bulk of his attempts (over 50%) are inside 10 feet. Only 17.5% of his shots come from the mid-range. This is a career low.
Beasley will never be a good man on man defender, but he is willing to put in the effort. He moves his feet, starts off in the right position to meet the drive. Even if he's giving up foot speed defending wings, Beasley can still help funnel and push a dribbler into the path of weak side help. In the post as a positional defender (e.g. when the Bucks go into a zone), he has been a fantastic defensive anchor helping off the weak side and a pretty good defensive rebounder.
His improvement on his 3 point shot has led him to be tasked with waiting in the corner for the kick out. However, his instincts with movement away from the ball remains subpar. If he took a more active roll in cutting away from the ball and diving towards the basket, his stats would look even better.
How good was Beasley? When Khris Middleton went down, Tyler Ennis was traded to Houston for Beasley as a scoring stop gap. Zach Lowe panned the move, boldy stating that Micheal Beasley is never an answer to a basketball question. Not a month latter, Lowe posted 'Beasley has been kinda okay this year' on twitter. Not four months after that, Lowe has nothing but nice things to say.
See here: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18843801/zach-lowe-2017-luke-walton-all-stars-nba
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https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/beaslmi01.html

Michael Beasley has been a bust. Whether he marginally has improved it does not make him a good basketball player. He is not a particularly good rebounder, he is a less willing passer than Carmelo Anthony, he is less of a defender than Carmelo Anthony. He was signed for a minimum salary, which means he was available to all 30 NBA teams, including one that had him last, and including the ones you believe are light-years ahead of the Knicks in identifying talent.

But that isn't even your biggest, dumbest mistake. Even ignoring the things you obviously don't know about his game, and assuming he is good, to go from the petulant '25 win' post a month ago identifying a point guard issue that has not been addressed, to believing the Knicks are now a good team because of Beasley shows a remarkable lack of perspective, not to mention a simple ability to agree with yourself.

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9/13/2017  3:28 PM
If he can beat out Melo, then let him play.
Jeez, we can argue the abstract but its all about on the court.
I hope Beas is the come back player of the year!!!!
Better than a taller sleepy eyed version of Delonte!!

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9/13/2017  3:32 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:[–]carlosdelgardo 1 point 4 months ago*
By virtue of league pass, I have watched every game he's been in. I am happy to say that he has improved every facet of his game at least marginally.
He had two stretches where he was out for injuries. Right before each stretch where he sat out, I would say he was probably playing the best basketball of his career, especially in terms of stuff that doesn't show in the traditional stat sheet.
He posted the best shooting and rebounding percentages of his career. Will catch and shoot threes, where even last year he really wanted to dribble into his shot. He can get visibly frustrated if he doesn't get the ball when he's open, but it doesn't diminish his hustle on help defense or on the defensive glass. On another note, he's posting the highest free throw rate of his career, the bulk of his attempts (over 50%) are inside 10 feet. Only 17.5% of his shots come from the mid-range. This is a career low.
Beasley will never be a good man on man defender, but he is willing to put in the effort. He moves his feet, starts off in the right position to meet the drive. Even if he's giving up foot speed defending wings, Beasley can still help funnel and push a dribbler into the path of weak side help. In the post as a positional defender (e.g. when the Bucks go into a zone), he has been a fantastic defensive anchor helping off the weak side and a pretty good defensive rebounder.
His improvement on his 3 point shot has led him to be tasked with waiting in the corner for the kick out. However, his instincts with movement away from the ball remains subpar. If he took a more active roll in cutting away from the ball and diving towards the basket, his stats would look even better.
How good was Beasley? When Khris Middleton went down, Tyler Ennis was traded to Houston for Beasley as a scoring stop gap. Zach Lowe panned the move, boldy stating that Micheal Beasley is never an answer to a basketball question. Not a month latter, Lowe posted 'Beasley has been kinda okay this year' on twitter. Not four months after that, Lowe has nothing but nice things to say.
See here: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18843801/zach-lowe-2017-luke-walton-all-stars-nba
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Michael Beasley has been a bust. Whether he marginally has improved it does not make him a good basketball player. He is not a particularly good rebounder, he is a less willing passer than Carmelo Anthony, he is less of a defender than Carmelo Anthony. He was signed for a minimum salary, which means he was available to all 30 NBA teams, including one that had him last, and including the ones you believe are light-years ahead of the Knicks in identifying talent.

But that isn't even your biggest, dumbest mistake. Even ignoring the things you obviously don't know about his game, and assuming he is good, to go from the petulant '25 win' post a month ago identifying a point guard issue that has not been addressed, to believing the Knicks are now a good team because of Beasley shows a remarkable lack of perspective, not to mention a simple ability to agree with yourself.

Why do you compare Beasley to Carmelo? Im not. I put him in the SL to facilitate KP being our #1 option--thats the whole gig. Beasley represents quality production in a third option slot. YOu dont need to start the 5 best guys--you need to put a balanced squad on the team. This is a building season--so starting Carmelo makes 0 sens eif we are building behind KP as #1. With Carmelo out there in unit 1 --that wont happen. Use your brain for a minute--its like everything you respond to--when did I compare Carmelo to Beasley--I didnt. I put Carmelo in as sixth man so I can start the process of putting KP as my number 1 without Melo on the floor. Its not brain science? Where in the basketball handbook does it say that Melo has to start for the Knicks? He doesnt--we need to transition to KP if that is the avenue--why not start now--he seemed to earn it in the FINA tourney.

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9/13/2017  3:53 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:I think you're overrating his defense.

He is. Beasley is demonstrably worse than Melo.

This is confirmation bias to the letter.

This is the whole point.
Melo is the main obstacle for us to do something useful this season.
Competitively lose as many games as possible.
Beasley is not an obstacle...

He can teach them to meditate... but no one can control even his own mind...
How about this line up

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