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Knickoftime
Posts: 24159 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/13/2011 Member: #3370 |
9/13/2017 1:03 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:c--kp If the addition of Michael Beasley single-handedly transforms this team from the 25-win team you declared they were, to a legitimate competitive team, then he'll deserve the MVP and Mills executive of the year. |
NYKBocker
Posts: 37939 Alba Posts: 474 Joined: 1/14/2003 Member: #377 USA |
9/13/2017 1:25 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Zero chance that Melo will agree to come off the bench. I hope so, cause then he might actually widen his list. |
BigDaddyG
Posts: 37498 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
9/13/2017 1:33 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:c--kp I think you're overrating his defense. Second, what's the point of plugging in one ball dominant chucker for another. Beasely is an even worse passer than Melo. I'm all for change, but not for the sake of it. Even if this move was realistic, I don't see how it helps us. I don't see KP thriving playing alongside Beasely. In fact, I'm not sure he thrives in a second unit with Willy. Beasely is a niche player. He still hasn't proevn he's a full-time starter, even during his "resurgence." It does help the tank. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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fishmike
Posts: 53115 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
9/13/2017 1:38 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:c--kp Briggs this is great. Maybe Jeff can show this to Melo when he explains why he's not starting anymore. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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jrodmc
Posts: 32927 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 11/24/2004 Member: #805 USA |
9/13/2017 1:54 PM
Gimmick starters.
He called Nitti "Fran" BRIGGS, for your next trick,maybe you can diagram how Beasely can run the GlobeTrotter offense... |
Knickoftime
Posts: 24159 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/13/2011 Member: #3370 |
9/13/2017 1:59 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:I think you're overrating his defense. He is. Beasley is demonstrably worse than Melo. This is confirmation bias to the letter. |
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
9/13/2017 2:45 PM LAST EDITED: 9/13/2017 2:51 PM
[–]carlosdelgardo 1 point 4 months ago*
By virtue of league pass, I have watched every game he's been in. I am happy to say that he has improved every facet of his game at least marginally. He had two stretches where he was out for injuries. Right before each stretch where he sat out, I would say he was probably playing the best basketball of his career, especially in terms of stuff that doesn't show in the traditional stat sheet. He posted the best shooting and rebounding percentages of his career. Will catch and shoot threes, where even last year he really wanted to dribble into his shot. He can get visibly frustrated if he doesn't get the ball when he's open, but it doesn't diminish his hustle on help defense or on the defensive glass. On another note, he's posting the highest free throw rate of his career, the bulk of his attempts (over 50%) are inside 10 feet. Only 17.5% of his shots come from the mid-range. This is a career low. Beasley will never be a good man on man defender, but he is willing to put in the effort. He moves his feet, starts off in the right position to meet the drive. Even if he's giving up foot speed defending wings, Beasley can still help funnel and push a dribbler into the path of weak side help. In the post as a positional defender (e.g. when the Bucks go into a zone), he has been a fantastic defensive anchor helping off the weak side and a pretty good defensive rebounder. His improvement on his 3 point shot has led him to be tasked with waiting in the corner for the kick out. However, his instincts with movement away from the ball remains subpar. If he took a more active roll in cutting away from the ball and diving towards the basket, his stats would look even better. How good was Beasley? When Khris Middleton went down, Tyler Ennis was traded to Houston for Beasley as a scoring stop gap. Zach Lowe panned the move, boldy stating that Micheal Beasley is never an answer to a basketball question. Not a month latter, Lowe posted 'Beasley has been kinda okay this year' on twitter. Not four months after that, Lowe has nothing but nice things to say. See here: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18843801/zach-lowe-2017-luke-walton-all-stars-nba Red https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/beaslmi01.html RIP Crushalot😞
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Knickoftime
Posts: 24159 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/13/2011 Member: #3370 |
9/13/2017 3:01 PM
BRIGGS wrote:[–]carlosdelgardo 1 point 4 months ago* Michael Beasley has been a bust. Whether he marginally has improved it does not make him a good basketball player. He is not a particularly good rebounder, he is a less willing passer than Carmelo Anthony, he is less of a defender than Carmelo Anthony. He was signed for a minimum salary, which means he was available to all 30 NBA teams, including one that had him last, and including the ones you believe are light-years ahead of the Knicks in identifying talent. But that isn't even your biggest, dumbest mistake. Even ignoring the things you obviously don't know about his game, and assuming he is good, to go from the petulant '25 win' post a month ago identifying a point guard issue that has not been addressed, to believing the Knicks are now a good team because of Beasley shows a remarkable lack of perspective, not to mention a simple ability to agree with yourself. |
Nalod
Posts: 68624 Alba Posts: 154 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
9/13/2017 3:28 PM
If he can beat out Melo, then let him play.
Jeez, we can argue the abstract but its all about on the court. I hope Beas is the come back player of the year!!!! Better than a taller sleepy eyed version of Delonte!! |
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
9/13/2017 3:32 PM
Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:[–]carlosdelgardo 1 point 4 months ago* Why do you compare Beasley to Carmelo? Im not. I put him in the SL to facilitate KP being our #1 option--thats the whole gig. Beasley represents quality production in a third option slot. YOu dont need to start the 5 best guys--you need to put a balanced squad on the team. This is a building season--so starting Carmelo makes 0 sens eif we are building behind KP as #1. With Carmelo out there in unit 1 --that wont happen. Use your brain for a minute--its like everything you respond to--when did I compare Carmelo to Beasley--I didnt. I put Carmelo in as sixth man so I can start the process of putting KP as my number 1 without Melo on the floor. Its not brain science? Where in the basketball handbook does it say that Melo has to start for the Knicks? He doesnt--we need to transition to KP if that is the avenue--why not start now--he seemed to earn it in the FINA tourney. RIP Crushalot😞
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arkrud
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9/13/2017 3:53 PM
Knickoftime wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:I think you're overrating his defense. This is the whole point. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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