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Melo ranked 64 by ESPN. Thinks it's high or low?
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Vmart
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9/13/2017  9:01 AM
For the first time ESPN is being generous. What would happen if Ryan Anderson took 20 shots. He shoots threes at a 40% clip so if all his shots were threes he would average 24 points per game. My point being if you shoot enough your going to get points. Melo is an average player given a green light.
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9/13/2017  9:03 AM
Paris907 wrote:ESPNs rankings rated Melo, hooded or otherwise, well below where he's ranked career wise.

http://www.instagram.com/p/BY9BP8gBD0k/?hl=en&taken-by=carmeloanthony

He declined last season, but it's obviously way too low, especially when you consider some of the players above him. He's still a top 50 player.

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9/13/2017  9:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/13/2017  9:19 AM
I think you guys are missing the point of the rankings. The valuation isn't points per game but what you bring to the game in terms of defense, assists and overall team play. Harden, Westbrook and LeBron have changed the thinking of rankings.
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9/13/2017  10:06 AM
Love or hate, what do y'all see on the court?
Wins and Losses? Shot attempts?
Yes, he has great fundamental (from hard work) footwork and gets that shot off.
Rebounding? Assists? adds to wins? Makes others better?
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Its not personal, and rankings are stupid, but it is what it is.

With as many years in the league, why not let his game speak for itself. So, what do you see?

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9/13/2017  10:13 AM
this does feel low - that said - it's not that far off. I would have thought anywhere between 35 and 55 would be fair
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9/13/2017  10:16 AM
64 is low. He is definitely not top 10 anymore. Not sure if he is even top 20. I would say he is in the 25-30 range
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9/13/2017  10:17 AM
Vmart wrote:I think you guys are missing the point of the rankings. The valuation isn't points per game but what you bring to the game in terms of defense, assists and overall team play. Harden, Westbrook and LeBron have changed the thinking of rankings.

How COULD that be the case when lonzo ball hasn't played a second of NBA ball and they ranked him ahead of melo.

TO me ESPN ranks on potential, which is idiotic.

If I had to rank ESPN on potential, they would be ranked on the bottom among sports networks.

If it wasn't for JUST A HAND FULL of decent sports center anchors like linda cohn, neil everret, stan verret, scott van pelt, I would never watch them.

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9/13/2017  10:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/13/2017  10:26 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:I think you guys are missing the point of the rankings. The valuation isn't points per game but what you bring to the game in terms of defense, assists and overall team play. Harden, Westbrook and LeBron have changed the thinking of rankings.

How COULD that be the case when lonzo ball hasn't played a second of NBA ball and they ranked him ahead of melo.

TO me ESPN ranks on potential, which is idiotic.

If I had to rank ESPN on potential, they would be ranked on the bottom among sports networks.

If it wasn't for JUST A HAND FULL of decent sports center anchors like linda cohn, neil everret, stan verret, scott van pelt, I would never watch them.

I agree with that that means this is a projected ranking and they should differentiate that it mean nothing. Melo could have the best season ever and who knows these rankings are merely projections.

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9/13/2017  10:47 AM
What's wrong with projections? You only want a discussion when there's certainty? You turn off the TV every time they give a weather forecast?
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9/13/2017  10:47 AM
Coming from the side that wants Melo gone from the Knicks, here is my $.02


Based on talent, Melo is not 64th. He is top 30. Based on what he does with his talent and basketball IQ, that lowers him but He is still better than some of the guys above him.

Yet another mistake by Dolan. When will it end?
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9/13/2017  10:49 AM
NYKBocker wrote:64 is low. He is definitely not top 10 anymore. Not sure if he is even top 20. I would say he is in the 25-30 range

I don't think he's 25-30 anymore. I would say 40-50 range. They have unveiled 30-50, and for what it's worth, KP is going to be in the top 30.

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9/13/2017  10:53 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:What's wrong with projections? You only want a discussion when there's certainty? You turn off the TV every time they give a weather forecast?

being a weather man is the only job on the planet you can get wrong 4x a wk and still keep your job..

Thats just how ESPN is.

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9/13/2017  11:07 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:What's wrong with projections? You only want a discussion when there's certainty? You turn off the TV every time they give a weather forecast?

being a weather man is the only job on the planet you can get wrong 4x a wk and still keep your job..

Thats just how ESPN is.


Yet being wrong often is better than having no information.
Do you go to the doctor and take medication? They're making a prediction that the benefits will outweigh the side effects too. Almost every profession involves making error-prone predictions actually.
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9/13/2017  11:13 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:What's wrong with projections? You only want a discussion when there's certainty? You turn off the TV every time they give a weather forecast?

being a weather man is the only job on the planet you can get wrong 4x a wk and still keep your job..

It's not a job but sports fans on the Internet post dumbass predictions that don't come to pass all the time and don't hold themselves accountable either.

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9/13/2017  11:18 AM
what's the basis of these rankings? is it for production next year, or does it factor in age, contract, etc too?
fishmike said: Yes. Sometimes I confuse the alerts with when your mom calls. BTW she said defensive guards are really important.
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9/13/2017  11:47 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:What's wrong with projections? You only want a discussion when there's certainty? You turn off the TV every time they give a weather forecast?

Your a numbers guy right? If no data is presented to you then how do you forecast? If data was presented then I can understand the basis for a projection. Melo has given data and Ball has not.

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9/13/2017  11:49 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:What's wrong with projections? You only want a discussion when there's certainty? You turn off the TV every time they give a weather forecast?

being a weather man is the only job on the planet you can get wrong 4x a wk and still keep your job..

Thats just how ESPN is.


Yet being wrong often is better than having no information.
Do you go to the doctor and take medication? They're making a prediction that the benefits will outweigh the side effects too. Almost every profession involves making error-prone predictions actually.

being flat out wrong is like having no info anyway, just save yourself the embarrassment and report accurate information when you get it.

just so Im clear, are you defending ESPN?

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9/13/2017  12:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/13/2017  12:04 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:What's wrong with projections? You only want a discussion when there's certainty? You turn off the TV every time they give a weather forecast?

being a weather man is the only job on the planet you can get wrong 4x a wk and still keep your job..

Thats just how ESPN is.


Yet being wrong often is better than having no information.
Do you go to the doctor and take medication? They're making a prediction that the benefits will outweigh the side effects too. Almost every profession involves making error-prone predictions actually.

being flat out wrong is like having no info anyway, just save yourself the embarrassment and report accurate information when you get it.

just so Im clear, are you defending ESPN?


Whether it's medicine or meteorology, being wrong is often worse than having no information actually.

64 sounds like a reasonable prediction assuming Melo has a better attitude than last year. I didn't go through the whole list. Defending "ESPN" is a broad statement. ESPN is huge and does all sorts of stuff. I'm definitely a fan of ESPN's fivethirtyeight.com site. I'm sure I'd defend some and criticize some ESPN material.

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9/13/2017  12:26 PM
As a Melo fan (prior to him joining the Knicks, that is)... I think being on a losing team has hurt his valuation. Presuming he's with us for a little bit, let's see what he can do with Hornacek running his own system.

I was extremely surprised by our lack of success last year. On paper, I thought the Knicks had more firepower than the Hornacek-led Suns team that won 49 games a few years ago, but somehow it didn't come together.

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9/13/2017  12:47 PM
What do you know? It's a new day and ESPN still hates the Knicks.
You guys spend a lot of time commenting on the internet?
Melo ranked 64 by ESPN. Thinks it's high or low?

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