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9/13/2017  8:06 AM
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Allanfan20 wrote:With that said, he doesn't even seem to be 6'5". He is shorter than LJ and LJ is 6'5"!

LJ was officially listed as 6-7

What's listed and what is are 2 different things. LJ is 6'5" max.

Balkman was listed at 6'8" and he was barely 6'5" and that's because of the hair! I know because i stood right next to him when I walked over to one of the UK get togethers. He was hardly taller thn me, at 6'4".

LOL 6'8 because of hair.

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9/13/2017  8:09 AM
technomaster wrote:Where is this photo from? Tryouts for the next Magic Mike movie?

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Allanfan20 wrote:With that said, he doesn't even seem to be 6'5". He is shorter than LJ and LJ is 6'5"!

I actually think Nitty is just under 6-6. He looks to be about the same or maybe just a touch taller than Dotson who is listed at 6-5.5. This is both of them next to each other. Kid is only 19 so he's going to have time to fill out quite a bit.


Look how under developed Nitty is compared to the other guys. However I didnt add muscle mass till I was a couple years older so maybe by the time his rookie contract ends he will be more filed out.
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9/13/2017  8:18 AM
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nixluva wrote:Still growing?


More important ( not that height is not important)

are

A) Standing reach
B) Wingspan
C) SPARQ metrics

The Zeller brothers, all three, IIRC are "7 Footers" However given their standing reach and considering their vertical, smaller players can actually play above the rim better than any of them. Dwayne Wade was a bit of a freak in his prime. Massive wing span. Incredible hops when he was young. Good timing. As a wing ( really a small forward), he could defend the rim.

One thing most people never discussed with the greats like Darrelle Revis, Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, Darrell Green, Deion Sanders was the ability to "flip their hips" The ability to change directions at game speed on a dime. Very very hard to do. Being fundamentally sound is one thing, doing so cleanly while at top speed is another.

Most critically, projected, Ntilikina can defend, at minimum, his own "weight" ( i.e. his own position at a league average level) and plays solid fundamental ball.

I don't care how tall any of these guys are to start, just be willing to play team ball in an intelligent manner.


Nitty has broad high shoulders as well as long arms. I suspect he has better than avg standing reach. He's kind of a guard version of Kevin McHale in that sense. Not the most explosive guy but not Mark Jackson either.

I'm encouraged by the improvement I've seen from Nitty so far. He looks to have improved his handles from how they looked during U18. Much lower and tighter to his body. He's no And1 ball handler but he's gotten better.

He seems to move well for being as tall and lanky as he is. From how he moves he gives me the impression that he was still adjusting to his body. He kinda looked like a baby Giraffe. Still he moved well enough laterally and used his length. I suspect smaller and quicker NBA guards will give him trouble at times tho he fights hard to recover and get back into the play. Nitty should be a nightmare for


His value is at PG, if he ends up a wing that length becomes mitigated some. Having a PG with that kind of size is a huge advantage. This team is really just missing a true 3 and they would be in very good shape. Lance Thomas is really the only true sized 3 we have on the roster. Melo, and Beasley are basically small ball 4's. We have lost draft position in the last 2 lotteries its time for the ping pong balls to give us a break and land us Otto Porter or Donic.
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9/13/2017  12:22 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
technomaster wrote:Where is this photo from? Tryouts for the next Magic Mike movie?

nixluva wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:With that said, he doesn't even seem to be 6'5". He is shorter than LJ and LJ is 6'5"!

I actually think Nitty is just under 6-6. He looks to be about the same or maybe just a touch taller than Dotson who is listed at 6-5.5. This is both of them next to each other. Kid is only 19 so he's going to have time to fill out quite a bit.


Look how under developed Nitty is compared to the other guys. However I didnt add muscle mass till I was a couple years older so maybe by the time his rookie contract ends he will be more filed out.

I don't think the other guys are NBA players - seems as if these junior Knicks were sent to train with these beefy guys (not functional muscles).

It's only been brought up a little bit, but as a 6'5" PG - there's a tremendous amount of value there. If he's just a 6'5" wing, he's dime a dozen.

Think Jamal Crawford. He was drafted as a PG - Chicago tried to develop him into a PG (then sent him to the Knicks), but the position never really stuck even after a few ~5apg seasons - obviously he ultimately settled in and excelled as a 6th man scorer (and hasn't passed the ball since). Very good rotation guy on a playoff team, but I suppose when you have a lottery pick you're hoping for an all-star type player. I suppose he had a few all-star consideration seasons.

Crawford had some fancy dribbling but was an unremarkable creator.

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9/13/2017  12:29 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
technomaster wrote:Where is this photo from? Tryouts for the next Magic Mike movie?

nixluva wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:With that said, he doesn't even seem to be 6'5". He is shorter than LJ and LJ is 6'5"!

I actually think Nitty is just under 6-6. He looks to be about the same or maybe just a touch taller than Dotson who is listed at 6-5.5. This is both of them next to each other. Kid is only 19 so he's going to have time to fill out quite a bit.


Look how under developed Nitty is compared to the other guys. However I didnt add muscle mass till I was a couple years older so maybe by the time his rookie contract ends he will be more filed out.

this looks photo shop

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9/13/2017  1:40 PM
technomaster wrote:I don't think the other guys are NBA players - seems as if these junior Knicks were sent to train with these beefy guys (not functional muscles).

I was under the impression thatthey were doing football themed drills designed to increase strength and explosion.
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9/24/2017  6:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/24/2017  6:32 PM
nixluva wrote:

Lol. Glad he is having fun. The kid looks like he might be a drop dead shooter. The thing I like about him is he always seems to be on balance when he shoots. He does not try to get to high or lean back. That will greatly improve the consistency of his jumper.

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9/24/2017  7:59 PM
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Lol. Glad he is having fun. The kid looks like he might be a drop dead shooter. The thing I like about him is he always seems to be on balance when he shoots. He does not try to get to high or lean back. That will greatly improve the consistency of his jumper.

Yeah his game has really improved over the last year from his U18 performance to now. He looks sharper in every way. He looks happy and confident.

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9/25/2017  12:21 AM
When Frank is ready we'll be playing for rings. I love this guy!
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9/25/2017  12:43 AM
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Nothing against this kid at all I like him...but he has this awkward Gollum meets "The Nightmare Before Christmas" body type that just looks awkward, especially in uniform.

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9/25/2017  12:53 AM
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Nothing against this kid at all I like him...but he has this awkward Gollum meets "The Nightmare Before Christmas" body type that just looks awkward, especially in uniform.

He's all arms n legs. He's so young that he's still growing into his frame and getting used to his size. He looks like he's gonna get much thicker too. I think he's actually 6-6 in shoes.

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9/25/2017  4:36 PM
Hardaway is 6'6 and he looks a little taller than him here.
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9/25/2017  8:54 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Hardaway is 6'6 and he looks a little taller than him here.

THJ got his guns up! But look at how LONG Nitty's arms are!!!

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9/25/2017  8:58 PM
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nixluva wrote:

Lol. Glad he is having fun. The kid looks like he might be a drop dead shooter. The thing I like about him is he always seems to be on balance when he shoots. He does not try to get to high or lean back. That will greatly improve the consistency of his jumper.

Pretty shot the release is slow though, can't wait to see him play

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9/26/2017  12:14 AM
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nixluva wrote:

Nothing against this kid at all I like him...but he has this awkward Gollum meets "The Nightmare Before Christmas" body type that just looks awkward, especially in uniform.


Disagree...

Looks a bit like a less developed Paul George, and his arms look as defined (or more) than D. Russell in the upper left. Decent shoulders make you think he can carry more muscle. Back looks good in the video of him shooting the 3s.

The guy just turned 19, and you can already see that he's working on his body. The long arms might make him look awkward, but they are a big help on D, and he's worked on his shooting form so that the length of his arms is not an issue on his Js.

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9/26/2017  10:31 AM
PG13 is 27 years old. Ntilikina is just 19.
Frank is a teenager.
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9/26/2017  2:06 PM
Nice shot but taking his time with no one guarding him...things that will not be in his favor in the game. we have seen this video umpteen times before with players who can't shoot. true test will be gametime.
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9/26/2017  3:35 PM
Cartman718 wrote:Nice shot but taking his time with no one guarding him...things that will not be in his favor in the game. we have seen this video umpteen times before with players who can't shoot. true test will be gametime.

From what we know of Nitty he CAN shoot tho. He's gotten better and he's going to be able to shoot over most PG's. I'm not overly concerned with that part of Nitty's game.

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