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GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
8/30/2017 10:41 PM
nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:PopovichSAN ANTONIO — Gregg Popovich arrived at Tim Duncan's jersey retirement ceremony well prepared. In his suit coat pocket were several tissues, folded neatly, just in case.https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2682681-gregg-popovich-and-spurs-stars-recall-tim-duncans-exemplary-career.amp.html I know exactly what you are talking about, and in this age of perpetual war, I believe it is in poor taste. I see commentators on TV catch themselves sometimes after they invoke this metaphor because they know that actual men an women are dying overseas in our name, as we speak. Not appropriate anymore, if it ever was. There are some common expressions, but drawing a direct comparison goes too far. If you are going to claim that blowing off one meeting negates everything. In spite of KP's improvement as a player in a very difficult situation. His more than willingness to admit what he did and didn't do right as a player, to millions of fans, and apparently spending the summer working on it. If you believe that isn't enough personal responsibility, then you should at least be holding his coach and teammates to the same standard. Certainly Hornacek should hold himself responsible for giving other players a pass for far worse behavior. Like going AWOL during the season, not after it. As I said, KP earned his paycheck, did Jeff and Rambis? Did Phil? Hell no. |
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
8/30/2017 11:00 PM
I read the Berman article but did not see more of the quotes from Vescey in the KNicks Blog article. If true this one puts Jeff in a bad light,
"Willy Hernangomez is Porzingis' best friend on the Knicks," Vescey reported. "Mindlessly, Hornacek got Hernangomez alone one dreadful day and conveyed to him what he should've to Porzingis face-to-face: "Tell your guy to stop playing like a pu--y!"https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/kristaps-porzingis-skipped-exit-interview-because-of-jeff-hornacek-not-phil-jackson/251419716 I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
8/30/2017 11:27 PM
GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:PopovichSAN ANTONIO — Gregg Popovich arrived at Tim Duncan's jersey retirement ceremony well prepared. In his suit coat pocket were several tissues, folded neatly, just in case.https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2682681-gregg-popovich-and-spurs-stars-recall-tim-duncans-exemplary-career.amp.html Again your taking the Military analogy too far and out of context for how I'm using it. I'm not saying sports IS WAR! It is however common to use THE SAME training techniques to break players bad habits and build them up with good habits and as well as bonding as a team. I'm NOT equating sports with soldiers fighting and dying so stop it. Like I said Military and Law Enforcement family. When my Dad was in Vietnam we lived at Fort Dix. Civil War, WWI, WWII, Nam, Afghan & Iraq vets in my Family. Also never said KP missing Exit Meeting negates everything. It's simple that was a poor decision and then he compounded it by refusing to return calls and texts. You can't excuse that when the right thing would be for KP to behave like an adult and voice his displeasure directly. |
GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
8/30/2017 11:53 PM
nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:PopovichSAN ANTONIO — Gregg Popovich arrived at Tim Duncan's jersey retirement ceremony well prepared. In his suit coat pocket were several tissues, folded neatly, just in case.https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2682681-gregg-popovich-and-spurs-stars-recall-tim-duncans-exemplary-career.amp.html Had a Dad in the military as well, served before Vietnam, and neither or them was us. I believe any argument that involves purposely drawing a line between the two is a losing argument regardless of your intentions. I will leave it at that. I have mixed emotions about KP skipping the meeting. Its not something I would want to see players do. At the same time its clear the team was a mess from top to bottom (as KP said) and seeing an opportunity to force the issue, he took it. It achieved the desired results. Phil is gone, Rose is gone, Jeff is on notice with mgmt. Mgmt has reconfirmed its determination to build around KP. |
Moonangie
Posts: 24733 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 7/9/2009 Member: #2788 |
8/31/2017 8:57 AM
LivingLegend wrote:Dare I say.... This was inevitable. |
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
8/31/2017 1:38 PM
nixluva wrote:Jeff was backed up by the Front Office and they even kept Rambis. Don't know what you mean by Jeff being on notice! When do coaches usually get endorsed? https://www.theringer.com/2017/7/28/16077800/nba-coaches-hot-seat-watch-2017-f2d777fa77eb I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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fishmike
Posts: 53132 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
8/31/2017 2:19 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Article doesnt say much but Jeff is in danger because he works for Dolan. 5 coaches in 6 years = on the hot seast. That is somewhat fair but no real intel is being offered. Now if Mills and Perry were seen having lunch with David Blatt now that would be a headlinenixluva wrote:Jeff was backed up by the Front Office and they even kept Rambis. Don't know what you mean by Jeff being on notice! "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
8/31/2017 2:26 PM
CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Jeff was backed up by the Front Office and they even kept Rambis. Don't know what you mean by Jeff being on notice! I understand the general logic of Jeff needing to perform in year 2 after a new GM is hired. I also see him as part of a continuum of the Phil-Mills Regime. Mills is still here and as a group much of the old philosophy is still in play. The Vegas line is 30.5 and ESPN says 32! Jeff will only be fired if they fail miserably IMO. If he has the team at or near .500 much of the year he'll have exceeded expectations. Jeff's not forced to run Triangle but I expect he'll still use it some. His normal offense is more fun to play and he will likely have more buy in from this roster. Nitty, Baker and Sessions are better defenders than DRose and BJ and more likely to execute exactly what Jeff asks for. This will make a huge difference IMO. Better perimeter D will only help the rest of the team as will Unselfish PG play. I expect a more competitive team. |
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
8/31/2017 8:07 PM
nixluva wrote:Bondy retweeted a link to the article he wrote back in the beginning of July today. This is what he said his source said about Jeff yelling at KP.CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:I'd say how the team progresses year to year, and within the season itself is very important.If Jeff lost his team I think the blame is on him. Someone, Bondy?, wrote about players respecting Fisher for not allowing Phil to force the triangle on him but said this was not the case with Hornacek. Phil talked about a 'rebelliousness' on the team. The roster last year was mainly undrafted and second round picks. Only 5 first round picks were on the roster at the end of the season and one was suspended. Generally rosters made up of guys fighting to stay in the league are not rebellious. There were two reports about how Jeff called out KP. Bondy wrote about KP feeling that he was being called out more than any other player. Vescey wrote about Hornacek asking Willy to tell KP to stop playing like a '*****'. Neither is good. Especially when you look at the Rose situation and no consequence being given for the abandoning the team. One of the issues, according to a source, was Hornacek’s willingness to scream and yell at Porzingis, which was not something he did with other players. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/kristaps-porzingis-jeff-hornacek-relationship-crucial-knicks-article-1.3296159 I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
8/31/2017 8:15 PM
Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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