Bonn1997 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Papabear wrote:fishmike wrote:Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysAs you know I been a Carmelo Anthony fan. When we got him we gave up a whole team to get him. Now he wants to leave and he is holding us ransom to Huston only. Well kiss my azz. Keep him here. It's not like we are sending him to a bad team we want to send him to Cleveland or another play-off team. If he really cared for New York he would help this team get a star player in return. as I recall if we didn't give up everything to get him he would have went to the Nets without batting an eye. Keep Melo here and let him sit on the bench till his beard turns grey. We are not getting nothing from Houston in return. Remember they fleeced us before with Lin. Screw Houston.
scorched lover post! If you *really* cared you wouldnt hurt me so!Seriously. Dude. He's a basketball player.
Papabear Says
Read what Durant just said. (He took a lower pay so he could keep the core together) He was also faithful to OKC for many years and he left it on the floor. Blood , guts , and tears. What will melo leave us. I was ok up till this point with Melo. He would not be going to a bad team in Cleveland. I think he just don't want someone to come in here as a player and turn things around. remember Jeremy Lin.
Mostly Everybody was ok with MELO until phils comments in december, and then a string of losses, a few uninspired games, and some triangle comments.
All of a sudden it's GET HIM OUT OF HERE, HE DOESN'T PASS ENOUGH, DOESNT PLAY D, HE'S A CANCER. Why would any one want to play with a guy like that, yet stars all over the league are recruiting him, and if he didn't have a NTC, 20 other teams would be blowing mills phones up.
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That's why. Whether you believe he was a big part of the problem or the only thing that wasn't a part of the problem, it really doesn't matter.
Common sense dictates the Knicks won't be in a position to win anything for the remaining year or years of his deal. At that stage is just common practice for sports teams to start moving on from veterans who aren't going to be a part of the next competitive iteration of the team.
I have no problem with that, I'm not for any deal that sets us back.
This is the logistical problem with a trade. It makes sense for the Knicks to move on from Melo. But on the other hand his salary and his no trade clause makes it very very difficult to not set the team back.
My theory is where this is headed is a full 2017-2018 buyout during the season with Melo leaving a decent chunk of 2018-19 salary on the table.
I don't think it is. With a buyout, his new team doesn't have his bird rights and can't offer him much in salary next year or beyond (assuming it's a team without cap space). I think at a minimum, he'd be leaving $40 mil and maybe even $75 mil or more on the table if he does a buyout. I just don't see it unless he just wants to win and doesn't care at all about money. Otherwise, it might come down to either waiving him or taking the best deal.
The Knicks owe Melo this full salary his season, no if, ands or buts. Next season is a little dicier since it's an option year but since it's Melo's option he certainly has the leverage.
But his Birds rights are the property of the Knicks, not his to dole around as he wants. The Knicks do not owe him that.
That is the Knicks leverage, that they will sit on him and then send him into the free agency without Bird rights in two years rather than one, when he's a year older.
He's in a position to try to get everything right now and he should, but as months go by the prospect of him spending two years on the Knicks and then going to free agency at 35 without Bird rights gets to scales moving back in the other direction.