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GoNyGoNyGo
Posts: 23559 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/29/2003 Member: #411 USA |
8/10/2017 2:41 PM
martin wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:martin wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:It was the Bill Clinton administration that made the deal that led to this. "It's a good deal" I was asking about Iran or NKorea. Are you saying the Clinton Administration did not make the deal?
Bush was busy with Iraq...the administration did not like the deal, that is true. (Their instincts were right). Here is a timeline by CNN...posted yesterday. IT contradicts some other things that I have seen recently. http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/29/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-timeline---fast-facts/index.html Did Bush walk away because they violated first or was it the other way around? Depends on what you read. Having lived through it, I remember that NKorea was skirting the agreement and still trying to produce nukes, so we imposed more sanctions. Is that backing out? As we know, this may or may not have been what happened. The fact is that deals like this don't work. You cannot trust the other side, ever. The same thing is happening with Iran now, IMO. We also handed over billions of dollars too...but that's for another day down the road....ehem.
Read the whole thing, I think it's balanced but you can make your own judgement. It concludes like this: CONCLUSION Former Democratic Congressman Stephen Solarz is one of the few Americans who had the opportunity to meet with the late Kim 11 Sung and other senior North Korean leaders on several occasions. Congressman Solarz has said that his experiences in Pyongyang suggest that North Korea's commitments "have about the same value as Tsar- ist war bonds." The Clinton Administration and the American people should recognize that the October 21 agreement most likely will not protect the important U.S. interest that are at stake in the Korean nuclear standoff. Rather than simply sigh with relief in the wake of the Geneva accords, Washington should prepare to revisit this crisis. |
TheGame
Posts: 26586 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/15/2006 Member: #1154 USA |
8/10/2017 3:53 PM
PresIke wrote:BigRedDog wrote:Whats the answer. Do nothing now and just let them keep advancing their technology and building up their nuclear arsenal? Very difficult decisions. No, you go in there and sabotage their facilities if need be with a seal team and then deny the **** every happened. You do not go making stupid statements about nukes and in engaging with a kid leader who is only interested in getting into a public tit for tat to show his people how brave and powerful he is. The problem is you have two loud mouths and Trump is going to push Kim to do something stupid like bomb a US territory and then we will have to strike back, and then they strike back and soon China gets involved and if China has any reaction other than we are staying out of it, then we risk getting into it with China. Now do I think we are going to go to war with China. I doubt it, but once you start going down that path, things become unpredictable. What if we try to remove Kim from power and China sends in troops to defend. All it takes is a few chinese soldiers or American soldiers getting killed and you have now started World War III. Trust the Process
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martin
Posts: 68673 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
8/10/2017 4:02 PM
TheGame wrote:PresIke wrote:BigRedDog wrote:Whats the answer. Do nothing now and just let them keep advancing their technology and building up their nuclear arsenal? Very difficult decisions. You can't really do that in NKorea, they have walled themselves off Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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martin
Posts: 68673 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
8/10/2017 4:04 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:martin wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:martin wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:It was the Bill Clinton administration that made the deal that led to this. "It's a good deal" I am asking you about what deal Clinton made. I don't know what you are referring to. I am also asking you your background on Agreed Framework Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Paris907
Posts: 21146 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/4/2015 Member: #6099 USA |
8/10/2017 4:17 PM
Part of leadership is assembling a team. He's put together the best national security team in many decades.
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meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/3/2014 Member: #5801 |
8/11/2017 7:01 AM LAST EDITED: 8/11/2017 7:05 AM
Vmart wrote:martin wrote:Vmart wrote:This shyt has been going on for so long that it's a bunch of crap at this point. That part of the world is Nuclear so why all the hoopla. All the nations should have put an end to it a long time ago but they didn't the question is why didn't they. You can't stop sovereign countries from doing what they are doing unless you are willing to declare war on them. If that is what you are referring to it would be more useless conflict and lives being lost like Iraq and Afghanistan wars. The idea that any country will simply keel over and stop their pursuit of nuclear power if they are inclined to pursue it in the first place is not validated by reason. I agree sanctions don't work, but neither do threats or all out war. N Korea is a tiny nation with minimal resources, they don't have a bargaining chip at the table but they have to compete with other nations for resources, this is quite literally one of the easiest way to get some leverage. I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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Moonangie
Posts: 24733 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 7/9/2009 Member: #2788 |
8/11/2017 9:02 AM
NK has always played with dangerous rhetoric. That's their schtick.
What's new is having a childlike President who lacks any foreign policy experience, rules as an authoritarian, and ALSO plays with dangerous rhetoric. It's a new day in America. |
Welpee
Posts: 23162 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/22/2016 Member: #6239 |
8/11/2017 9:16 AM
TheGame wrote:Honestly, I hope Trump creates an even bigger cluster f*** than he has already done.That's easy to say if you don't have kids and other loved ones in the military. |
JesseDark
Posts: 22631 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/9/2003 Member: #467 |
8/11/2017 9:38 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Man they need to seriously talk this thing down. Don't turn chicken hawk now, just blow it off as fake news. Many on this board were calling out the naivete of Trump supporters, like you, who should have known better. The actions of the N. Korean leader probably would have been the same no matter who was elected, but we as country are paying a price for electing a novice with no diplomatic instincts Bring back dee-fense
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
8/11/2017 9:56 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:Vmart wrote:martin wrote:Vmart wrote:This shyt has been going on for so long that it's a bunch of crap at this point. That part of the world is Nuclear so why all the hoopla. All the nations should have put an end to it a long time ago but they didn't the question is why didn't they. That is precisely what you have to do. Just like USA stopped Japan from having a military force. This is China's to clean up Not USA. If China doesn't want to do it then yes sanctions should be placed on China. |
Gudris
Posts: 20998 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/12/2015 Member: #6213 |
8/11/2017 10:15 AM
I hope Trump is going to kick that idiot ass very soon, dozens of millions of people are living like **** in N Korea, because of that stupid commies regime, it is time to give that people a freedom
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
8/11/2017 10:26 AM
This is a 30 year problem coming to a head.
I'd prefer to talk it down -- I hope they can-- I don't want to see anyone hurt Suggesting this is Trumps fault is insane. If they don't want to talk and cat budge off their ambitions-- then whatever happens happens. I'd still try to talk this down if it can be done-- I'm sure we are trying. I don't think navy seals can do shy here-- this would take unconventional war fair. I'd play by the isis playbook here-- I'd have 7-10 regular airliners filled with nuclear warheads take flight in normal manner from various sections of the hemispshere -- jam their radars and ram those ****ers dead into their highest military targets RIP Crushalot😞
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