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blkexec wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:he better have game like the contract indicates

What would that be? He's paid much less than an average player.
His defensive energy and diversity out performs the average player.

Agreed. We have to hope that his horrible shooting was just due to such a small sample of shots though.

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Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:he better have game like the contract indicates

What would that be? He's paid much less than an average player.
His defensive energy and diversity out performs the average player.

Weird to me that when judging player most look at PPG or FG% first and totally ignore defense and defensive potential of a player. Clearly Baker did not shoot/score well but he played some stout D.

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blkexec wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:he better have game like the contract indicates

What would that be? He's paid much less than an average player.
His defensive energy and diversity out performs the average player.
Weird to me that when judging player most look at PPG or FG% first and totally ignore defense and defensive potential of a player. Clearly Baker did not shoot/score well but he played some stout D.

Dude the game is about the 3 ball, he does play respectable defense, and he hustles(like most d leaguers trying to make the cut)but the game is all about the offense, an area he's really bad in.

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knicks1248 wrote:he better have game like the contract indicates

His contract is equal to less than 5% of our cap space. What are you talking about?

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martin wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:he better have game like the contract indicates

What would that be? He's paid much less than an average player.
His defensive energy and diversity out performs the average player.
Weird to me that when judging player most look at PPG or FG% first and totally ignore defense and defensive potential of a player. Clearly Baker did not shoot/score well but he played some stout D.
Dude the game is about the 3 ball, he does play respectable defense, and he hustles(like most d leaguers trying to make the cut)but the game is all about the offense, an area he's really bad in.

You say the weirdest things some times, focusing in on pointless points. Baker a rookie and we judge him as such.

Would you rather have a PG who manages team and thinks pass first while playing decent D or a PG who only puts up flashy points and doesn't play D?

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martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:he better have game like the contract indicates

What would that be? He's paid much less than an average player.
His defensive energy and diversity out performs the average player.
Weird to me that when judging player most look at PPG or FG% first and totally ignore defense and defensive potential of a player. Clearly Baker did not shoot/score well but he played some stout D.
Dude the game is about the 3 ball, he does play respectable defense, and he hustles(like most d leaguers trying to make the cut)but the game is all about the offense, an area he's really bad in.
You say the weirdest things some times, focusing in on pointless points. Baker a rookie and we judge him as such.
Would you rather have a PG who manages team and thinks pass first while playing decent D or a PG who only puts up flashy points and doesn't play D?

I think we know the answer to your question.

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martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:he better have game like the contract indicates

What would that be? He's paid much less than an average player.
His defensive energy and diversity out performs the average player.
Weird to me that when judging player most look at PPG or FG% first and totally ignore defense and defensive potential of a player. Clearly Baker did not shoot/score well but he played some stout D.
Dude the game is about the 3 ball, he does play respectable defense, and he hustles(like most d leaguers trying to make the cut)but the game is all about the offense, an area he's really bad in.
You say the weirdest things some times, focusing in on pointless points. Baker a rookie and we judge him as such.
Would you rather have a PG who manages team and thinks pass first while playing decent D or a PG who only puts up flashy points and doesn't play D?

what happen to "WE NEED TWO WAY PLAYERS" now were making exceptions

and why would you make my comments into a negative. I'm simple stating his ass needs to get better offensively, you know it, I know it, he knows it, and every knick fan on the plant it knows it.

He is getting top 5 "over all pick money" in fact, him and kp will be making damn near the exact same amount next season

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knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:he better have game like the contract indicates

What would that be? He's paid much less than an average player.
His defensive energy and diversity out performs the average player.
Weird to me that when judging player most look at PPG or FG% first and totally ignore defense and defensive potential of a player. Clearly Baker did not shoot/score well but he played some stout D.
Dude the game is about the 3 ball, he does play respectable defense, and he hustles(like most d leaguers trying to make the cut)but the game is all about the offense, an area he's really bad in.

Ron is a premium defender in this league and he's one of the few on the team that can effectively defend the three ball the biggest part of the ***** chucking league .

If he can effect his opponents three point shot the majority of the time he gives his team a better chance to win ... yes this is a offensive league but defense is bigger then people realize defense wins chips look at gsw they were a top defensive team and have a stout defender in green.

Also bakers three point numbers were a fluke last year he's been a decent three point shooter through out his college career.

With the way this kid works harder then most NBA players you better believe his three point shot gets back to the 36-40 % range...

For all the haters I hate to break it to you but Ron is going to play a huge role on this team don't be surprised if he starts over frank .

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knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:he better have game like the contract indicates

What would that be? He's paid much less than an average player.
His defensive energy and diversity out performs the average player.
Weird to me that when judging player most look at PPG or FG% first and totally ignore defense and defensive potential of a player. Clearly Baker did not shoot/score well but he played some stout D.
Dude the game is about the 3 ball, he does play respectable defense, and he hustles(like most d leaguers trying to make the cut)but the game is all about the offense, an area he's really bad in.

wrong as usual. Go look at where the top teams in the league (starting with the Warriors) rank defensively and come back to me.

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knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:he better have game like the contract indicates

What would that be? He's paid much less than an average player.
His defensive energy and diversity out performs the average player.
Weird to me that when judging player most look at PPG or FG% first and totally ignore defense and defensive potential of a player. Clearly Baker did not shoot/score well but he played some stout D.
Dude the game is about the 3 ball, he does play respectable defense, and he hustles(like most d leaguers trying to make the cut)but the game is all about the offense, an area he's really bad in.
You say the weirdest things some times, focusing in on pointless points. Baker a rookie and we judge him as such.
Would you rather have a PG who manages team and thinks pass first while playing decent D or a PG who only puts up flashy points and doesn't play D?
what happen to "WE NEED TWO WAY PLAYERS" now were making exceptions
and why would you make my comments into a negative. I'm simple stating his ass needs to get better offensively, you know it, I know it, he knows it, and every knick fan on the plant it knows it.
He is getting top 5 "over all pick money" in fact, him and kp will be making damn near the exact same amount next season

KP is on a rookie contract. So his salary is ridiculously low compared to what he brings. We don't have an unlimited number of 1st round picks. We can't just sign anyone we want to that kind of contract. You know all this already.
We don't know whether Baker is a 1 way (strong defense) or 2 way player. The only thing badly missing from his offense last season was 3 point shooting. And if he had made about 6 more 3s for the entire season, his 3 point shooting percentage would look OK too. Clearly the Knicks realized you can't judge a player from a grand total of 200 shots, especially the first 200 of his career. Put it this way, that would be about 2 weeks of shots for Carmelo. I'm sure he's had 2 week stretches where he shot like 35% and where he shot like 55%.

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fishmike wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:he better have game like the contract indicates

What would that be? He's paid much less than an average player.
His defensive energy and diversity out performs the average player.
Weird to me that when judging player most look at PPG or FG% first and totally ignore defense and defensive potential of a player. Clearly Baker did not shoot/score well but he played some stout D.
Dude the game is about the 3 ball, he does play respectable defense, and he hustles(like most d leaguers trying to make the cut)but the game is all about the offense, an area he's really bad in.
wrong as usual. Go look at where the top teams in the league (starting with the Warriors) rank defensively and come back to me.

It doesn't even make sense. He says the game is about 3 ball. Then clearly how well you defend the other team's 3 point shots matters.

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My only problem with the Baker deal is that the 2nd year is a player option. I'm hopeful and think there's a good chance that he becomes a solid rotation player this year. As others have said, his defense, hustle and toughness are all things that won't go away. And there's a lot to suggest his shooting will improve (solid mechanics, in college shot FT's at 80%, 3's at 37%). If it goes well, hate to think we missed the opportunity to lock him up for at least one more year.

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fishmike wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:he better have game like the contract indicates

What would that be? He's paid much less than an average player.
His defensive energy and diversity out performs the average player.
Weird to me that when judging player most look at PPG or FG% first and totally ignore defense and defensive potential of a player. Clearly Baker did not shoot/score well but he played some stout D.
Dude the game is about the 3 ball, he does play respectable defense, and he hustles(like most d leaguers trying to make the cut)but the game is all about the offense, an area he's really bad in.
wrong as usual. Go look at where the top teams in the league (starting with the Warriors) rank defensively and come back to me.

so your telling me knowing what you know about baker now, you would have drafted him 5th overall last yr, you would have taken him over jamal murry, kriss dunn, denzel valentine, buddy hield, who all making less then baker.

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knicks1248 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:he better have game like the contract indicates

What would that be? He's paid much less than an average player.
His defensive energy and diversity out performs the average player.
Weird to me that when judging player most look at PPG or FG% first and totally ignore defense and defensive potential of a player. Clearly Baker did not shoot/score well but he played some stout D.
Dude the game is about the 3 ball, he does play respectable defense, and he hustles(like most d leaguers trying to make the cut)but the game is all about the offense, an area he's really bad in.
wrong as usual. Go look at where the top teams in the league (starting with the Warriors) rank defensively and come back to me.
so your telling me knowing what you know about baker now, you would have drafted him 5th overall last yr, you would have taken him over jamal murry, kriss dunn, denzel valentine, buddy hield, who all making less then baker.

So you won't sign any FA to a $4 mil contract unless they outperform top lottery picks? You're trying too hard to knock his contract.

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bernard wrote:My only problem with the Baker deal is that the 2nd year is a player option. I'm hopeful and think there's a good chance that he becomes a solid rotation player this year. As others have said, his defense, hustle and toughness are all things that won't go away. And there's a lot to suggest his shooting will improve (solid mechanics, in college shot FT's at 80%, 3's at 37%). If it goes well, hate to think we missed the opportunity to lock him up for at least one more year.

that's another crazy thing, if he turns out to have a really good yr, it will prove to be one of the dumbest deals ever..what happen to a team option

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