Vmart wrote:...... adding Irving it's still not a winning formula.
Adding VALUE is a winning formula.
Who says the Knicks have to keep him? Why are so many teams going after Irving right now? Because of the circumstances and timing, they are trying to see if they can lowball the Cavs into a bad deal. Then either keep Irving or TRADE HIM AGAIN LATER, when the MARKET FOR HIM RE-STABILIZES.
If you could, in theory, get Irving for 40 cents on the dollar, you do it, then see if you can trade him later for 90 cent on the dollar. And that's it.
Irving at below market value IS A GOOD DEAL. It's a good deal because it amasses VALUE. Which can held, or TRADED AGAIN LATER
Irving at or above his market value IS A BAD DEAL. It's a bad deal because it does not amass value. It changes the cost structure if you keep him or even trade him again later.
Who says he needs to stay a Knick? Buy low/Sell high. I'm not saying the Knicks will have this chance, because any deal as such would get turned down by the Cavs, but for the sake of raw discussion, then Yes, there are plenty of above board market scenarios where the Knicks can trade for Irving and still come out winners.
The 76ers are where they are because Sam Hinkie pumped and dumped.
Daryl Morey had the asset base and cap to get Chris Paul for virtue of spending the last decade pumping and dumping.
I really CANNOT understand the methodology in place where it's a dogmatic viewpoint that in any instance where Irving becomes a Knick, that HE HAS TO STAY A KNICK.
If the argument in place is that Ntilikina could provide a BETTER FIT. I could see that argument in play. I can see the rationale behind it. However who says the END GAME for better fit needs to be answered immediately? If you can trade for Irving BELOW HIS MARKET VALUE, then wait for his market to restabilize, then you can consider trading him again FOR SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES A BETTER ROSTER FIT.
This is why hunting VALUE trumps all else. When you HUNT VALUE, you OPEN UP ALL YOUR OPTIONS. You CREATE NEW OPTIONS. You create MULTIPLE OPTIONS.
Yankees trade pretty much nothing for Aroldis Chapman. Tony Renda, Jake Cave, and some scraps. Then they use him for a while. Then TRADE HIM for Gleyber Torres, one of the best SS prospects in baseball. They also get Billy McKinney. Then they RESIGN HIM in free agency.
The end game is Torres, McKinney AND Chapman. If you just look at Chapman traded for some prospect, of course that skews things. I'm not saying the Knick can achieve a double heist like this all the time, I am saying the road to the end game can be a long long long road. It doesn't have to be A-B, it can be A to Z to R to B.