Finestrg wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Finestrg wrote:I think Joe deserves a lot of credit. Easily could've buried Birdy after the tough year, easily could've gone with Head or Holliday at 1B, but he didn't. He likes him and he stuck with him down the stretch of the reg. season and into the playoffs. Plus, he faced the fire after that no-challenge the other night and took the heat. Thought it was DEAD WRONG for the hometown crowd to boo him the way they did last night. How 'bout how he handled the pitching staff the way he did against the Twins? He handled it perfectly and w/o that, there is no Indians series.. Nobody cares more than Joe, man. Big Girardi guy, both my wife and I. Always have been, always will be. Cashman too. I'm good with those two at the controls moving forward. Regardless of what happens the rest of the way, we're definitely ahead of schedule with A TON going for us and A LOT to look forward to. Great to see. GO YANKS!!!!
Those are all good points. I hope the team wins this series for Joe. That would get him off the hook with the fans. I'd hate to see his time as manager end on this note with that no challenge.
Me too, Bonn. I think his contract is up after the season. My buddy Mike thinks he's gone after that no challenge. Hope that's not the case. Two more things on that play -- (1) Green threw a bad pitch to the next batter, not Joe and (2) the home plate ump blew that call, not Joe. Happened right in front of the ump, not Joe who's in the dugout and couldn't see or hear the foul tip from there. And here's two more things -- who got picked off 2nd in a big spot in that game? Toe, not Joe. And who gave up the big HR to Bruce? D-Rob, not Joe... And how 'bout Robbie Thompson INSIST they challenge on that play? I mean WTF is he getting paid for?? I just hate to see him take so much heat with this. Such a fluky thing, you know? Bottom line -- the players all needed to do their jobs after that play happened, starting with Green getting Lindor out, and a lot of guys **** the bed. How the hell is this all on Joe?? Dude's a good man, a good manager and a Yankee. I'd love to win this series for him.
Giardi ****ed up and cost us Game 2. Simple. It's the players on the field and the manager only has so much control...blah blah blah, I get that.
But there is no excuse, for not challenging a questionable call that puts you in such a bind as that hbp did. That's your job as manager. Especially when you have 2 challenges and Sanchez right there in the middle shouting it was the bat. That 1 decision sets up everything else that goes wrong (Torreyes ****ed up too if that makes you feel any better).
That said, everybody's allowed a **** up from time to time. Joe shouldn't be fired for that - I'll even go one step further to say I think it was a learning experience for him and that Joe won't let that situation play out again in the future.