BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Knickoftime wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:TheGame wrote:Knickoftime wrote:TheGame wrote:This is great news. With Rose there the Cavs will feel more comfortable about trading Irving. A team of Rose, smith, Melo, Lebron, and Love would be pretty tough on offense.
Was exactly does a guy have to do to demonstrate he's not a good NBA shooter?
Being able to take a shot is a legitimate NBS skill.
Be able to score points efficiently in relation to how many shots you take is far more important.
He is Nba mediocre at that.
Rose is decent. His weakness is no defense and no 3pt shooting. He actually can shoot 3s but for some reason he just wants to drive. I think he just has the mindset that I can drive on anyone so why shoot 3s. Anyway, he probably a better defender than Irving, so in the Cavs mind; he probably gives them 75% of what Irving gave them. Then you add what they can get for Irving and the cave might be able to put together an even stronger team.
Agree, people think Rose was a bad defender, wait till they see Kyrie. LOL
Produce a metric that shows Irving was worse.
Heres a metric of value with Kyrie
Hes played an average of 63 games a year since he was drafted in his prime athletic years. He misses on average 20 games a year. If he wasnt on LNJs team who carries it--hed be just another gunner who doesnt play that much D
In the year before LBJ came
Kyrie was 43% 20-6-3.5
Rose last year was 47% 18 -4.5 4
So for 3-4 assets and 150mm $ you can have the oft injured Irving(and just like Noah--you KNOW you are buying tarnished goods)for slightly more production---nah unless its for melo and junk---steer clear
You're demonstrating the same blindspot so many sports fans have.
All I said was Irving isn't as bad as Rose defensively. I have said nothing else about him.
Respond to what I actually post, not what you assume I think.
Rose, by himself, isn't a good offensive player anymore, which means he isn't a good player anymore.
Hes not a good 3 point shooter--but hes a good offensive player.
There were 40 NBA players who avg 18 or more
Out of those 40 Rose ranked 13 in FG% NOT eFG just FG. So you are talking about a player who is one of 14 players in the NBA who did 18 and 47%+ Hes not a great 3 point shooter and he was "smart" to move away from that shot to focus on the mid range and drive.
No has mentioned Rose's knee- which is a Giant Negative.
But I agree, I think, Briggs.
What I Saw from Rose last year was a player that could drive and finish and who had a pretty solid pull up, mid range game.
He struggled getting the call on a lot of his drives. I think some of that got to him, and a fresh start with a leader like LeBron should help straighten his head out.
The question on value is really a health one - can he actually play a 'full' season and not break his knee?