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Welpee wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Good stuff:

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I don't know. No matter how I feel about somebody's position I don't like seeing this.

this idiot and his ilk are promoting civil war. you think this f ck and his kind would have any moral doubts if he saw a black person getting chased off? these are evil people - pure evil.

Welpee wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Good stuff:

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I don't know. No matter how I feel about somebody's position I don't like seeing this.

I dont believe its hyperbole to describe those white power protesters as being fascists. The only way you stop fascists is to stand up to them. No other way. A couple of jokes on SNL wont do it.

Not so long ago these extremists would have been considered the fringe, Trump is trying to make them, and their shared views, mainstream.

You dont keep a book of Hitler's speeches by your nightstand if you plan on governing like Lincoln, or even Reagan.

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Welpee wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Good stuff:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/NBCNews/status/896820888930332672

I don't know. No matter how I feel about somebody's position I don't like seeing this.

I dont believe its hyperbole to describe those white power protesters as being fascists. The only way you stop fascists is to stand up to them. No other way. A couple of jokes on SNL wont do it.

Not so long ago these extremists would have been considered the fringe, Trump is trying to make them, and their shared views, mainstream.

You dont keep a book of Hitler's speeches by your nightstand if you plan on governing like Lincoln, or even Reagan.

I don't want to come off sounding high and moral and I completely understand where you guys are coming from. But I am with Welpee in this. The Constitution gives him the right to talk about his hateful filth in public and he should be permitted to do so. Otherwise we can't claim we have Free speech when it suits us and not observe it when it doesn't. Trump election is uniquely uncovering some aspects of the system a lot of people are uncomfortable with-

Electoral college vs. true democracy = oppression of the minority
Extremism becoming mainstream under the guise of freedom of speech
What used to be fringe in Reagan's time is already mainstream
The right invokes the Constitution when it comes to the above but are hypocrite about it when it comes to separation of church an be state and it started with Elito

Should have said that at the rally while one of them tried to run your ass over. They arent interested in democracy, this is a hostile takeover. You dont stop that with platitudes.

Knickoftime wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Welpee wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Good stuff:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/NBCNews/status/896820888930332672

I don't know. No matter how I feel about somebody's position I don't like seeing this.

I dont believe its hyperbole to describe those white power protesters as being fascists. The only way you stop fascists is to stand up to them. No other way. A couple of jokes on SNL wont do it.

Not so long ago these extremists would have been considered the fringe, Trump is trying to make them, and their shared views, mainstream.

You dont keep a book of Hitler's speeches by your nightstand if you plan on governing like Lincoln, or even Reagan.

I don't want to come off sounding high and moral and I completely understand where you guys are coming from. But I am with Welpee in this. The Constitution gives him the right to talk about his hateful filth in public and he should be permitted to do so. Otherwise we can't claim we have Free speech when it suits us and not observe it when it doesn't. Trump election is uniquely uncovering some aspects of the system a lot of people are uncomfortable with-

Not for nothing because this is waaay too important not to get right.

He stood in front of a microphone in public, and the government did not try to stop him, or as far as we know tried to punish him for it or use its powers to try to coerce him not to do it again.

His constitutional rights were in no way violated.

People think of protesters shouting a down the speaker, or boycotting a TV network because of an on air personality as a violation of freedom of speech, but it is not, period.

Now whether you think citizens have some kind of extra-lawful obligation as Americans to stand there quietly and let him speak is another matter, though the counter argument that is they are exercising their 'free speech' in protesting since he chose to speak in public.

Know whether he deserves some kind of state-provided/paid for protection from protesters approaching his microphone which is what occurred, that's another issue I don't have any easy answers for.

But what happened yesterday was not a violation of his constitutional rights. It was a 'violation' of what way too many people incorrectly think of as their right to "free speech."

I never said his rights were violated. I said I agree with Welpee who I thought was pointing out it's important to uphold his rights. Some others were making the case that he is inciting hatred and violence so it's ok to "stand up to him" and I don't think that's ok.

To me it comes down to the following-

You can't legislate morality
You can't penalize intent (unless you are going to make 1984 real)

Even intent to commit genocide being openly discussed in itself is not a crime - whether it should be a crime is a whole different issue, that I expressly did not address.
(EDIT)- If you are discussing a detailed plan for a specific future incident that may qualify as a crime? I don't really know, I am no lawyer. I think you would still need Habeas Corpus

nixluva wrote:

Nalod wrote:"Make america great" and these clowns bring a confederate flag? They lost the civil war. Seems like many have not gotten over that.
Nazis, they lost their war. Nazi's divided their people against each other.
Trump is too blind by his own greed and self importance to see what he is doing. He is an ignorant man absorbed in himself.
Trump is a child.

The Civil War NEVER ended for the South. People don't realize that they never gave up their beliefs and immediately went to work trying to re-establish a system as close to Slavery as they could get. The Black Codes and Jim Crow. The Terrorism of the KKK and RedShirts. Civil war ended in 1865 but it took another 100 years to actually enact laws to begin to try and protect the Civil Rights of ALL Americans.

So just so we're clear the beliefs of White Supremacists NEVER ceased in this country. It's literally been one continuous stream from day one up to this day.

They came from all over the country to attend this rally. This isn't a strictly southern movement. There was a story about the president of a college republican club from Washington State who was spotted attending the rally.

It used to be about flexing their muscles, but its more than that now. They want power, and they believe they have someone in the White House who will help them get it.

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Welpee wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Good stuff:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/NBCNews/status/896820888930332672

I don't know. No matter how I feel about somebody's position I don't like seeing this.

I dont believe its hyperbole to describe those white power protesters as being fascists. The only way you stop fascists is to stand up to them. No other way. A couple of jokes on SNL wont do it.

Not so long ago these extremists would have been considered the fringe, Trump is trying to make them, and their shared views, mainstream.

You dont keep a book of Hitler's speeches by your nightstand if you plan on governing like Lincoln, or even Reagan.

I don't want to come off sounding high and moral and I completely understand where you guys are coming from. But I am with Welpee in this. The Constitution gives him the right to talk about his hateful filth in public and he should be permitted to do so. Otherwise we can't claim we have Free speech when it suits us and not observe it when it doesn't. Trump election is uniquely uncovering some aspects of the system a lot of people are uncomfortable with-

So if you were to travel back in time to 1930s Germany, you'd spend your time there defending Nazi's rights to free speech?