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7/16/2017  1:21 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:Portland believes with Melo they can be a top 4 team.
Because they won't be giving up CJ or Lillard.

So Collins, Leonard, Melo, CJ, Lillard starting 5.
Bench rotations in with Davis, Turner, Crabbe and Napier as regulars off the bench.
That's a 50 win team in the West,

IMO they would give up if pushed

Nurkic
Mo Harkless
Aminu

That's a great deal for us.
We should push for that trade and RUN.

Melo would stall it, but we would say one of two things.

Either come play off the bench with the Knicks or on a 28 minute restriction as a starter. Or accept the deal to the Blazers who with you would be a top 5 team in the West.

For us

Nurkic/Hernangomez
Porzingis/Kuzminskas
Aminu/Harkless
Hardaway/Dotson
Baker/Ntilikina

We would have one of the best Center rotations in the NBA with Nurkic/Hernangomez.
At 4 a real nice blend of KP/Kuz, Kuz more of a stretch 4, KP more of a big 4 that can play all over the floor.
At 3, it's a stop gap, role players, but young and active. Longterm may need to find a higher impact and skilled starting 3.
At 2 we have THj to carry the load.
At 1, Baker starts for steady play on PG as a stop gap, and Frank develops as his backup . Frank's a longterm investment at 1.

Longterm in mind

Nurkic or Hernangomez (Could trade one of them for a starting 3 with high skill)
Porzingis
3 (Attained by trading one of Nurkic/Hernangomez)
Hardaway
Ntilikina

I think that's a great re-build that is FAST. Within a year from now we would be young, and have a starting 5 that's got a high skill, high impact player, still improving and very young.

He should go there, but he won't. Portland has a really nice team, With Melo they could reach the Western finals

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7/16/2017  1:23 PM
wargames wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Portland believes with Melo they can be a top 4 team.
Because they won't be giving up CJ or Lillard.

So Collins, Leonard, Melo, CJ, Lillard starting 5.
Bench rotations in with Davis, Turner, Crabbe and Napier as regulars off the bench.
That's a 50 win team in the West,

IMO they would give up if pushed

Nurkic
Mo Harkless
Aminu

That's a great deal for us.
We should push for that trade and RUN.

Melo would stall it, but we would say one of two things.

Either come play off the bench with the Knicks or on a 28 minute restriction as a starter. Or accept the deal to the Blazers who with you would be a top 5 team in the West.

For us

Nurkic/Hernangomez
Porzingis/Kuzminskas
Aminu/Harkless
Hardaway/Dotson
Baker/Ntilikina

We would have one of the best Center rotations in the NBA with Nurkic/Hernangomez.
At 4 a real nice blend of KP/Kuz, Kuz more of a stretch 4, KP more of a big 4 that can play all over the floor.
At 3, it's a stop gap, role players, but young and active. Longterm may need to find a higher impact and skilled starting 3.
At 2 we have THj to carry the load.
At 1, Baker starts for steady play on PG as a stop gap, and Frank develops as his backup . Frank's a longterm investment at 1.

Longterm in mind

Nurkic or Hernangomez (Could trade one of them for a starting 3 with high skill)
Porzingis
3 (Attained by trading one of Nurkic/Hernangomez)
Hardaway
Ntilikina

I think that's a great re-build that is FAST. Within a year from now we would be young, and have a starting 5 that's got a high skill, high impact player, still improving and very young.

No way they give up Nurkic. Best we could probably get is Harkless and picks. They could probably still get a pick from another team for one of their Roleplayers too to add to the assets they send for Melo.


They might if we give them Willy back in the trade but it doesn't matter because Melo won't go there
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7/16/2017  1:37 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Portland believes with Melo they can be a top 4 team.
Because they won't be giving up CJ or Lillard.

So Collins, Leonard, Melo, CJ, Lillard starting 5.
Bench rotations in with Davis, Turner, Crabbe and Napier as regulars off the bench.
That's a 50 win team in the West,

IMO they would give up if pushed

Nurkic
Mo Harkless
Aminu

That's a great deal for us.
We should push for that trade and RUN.

Melo would stall it, but we would say one of two things.

Either come play off the bench with the Knicks or on a 28 minute restriction as a starter. Or accept the deal to the Blazers who with you would be a top 5 team in the West.

For us

Nurkic/Hernangomez
Porzingis/Kuzminskas
Aminu/Harkless
Hardaway/Dotson
Baker/Ntilikina

We would have one of the best Center rotations in the NBA with Nurkic/Hernangomez.
At 4 a real nice blend of KP/Kuz, Kuz more of a stretch 4, KP more of a big 4 that can play all over the floor.
At 3, it's a stop gap, role players, but young and active. Longterm may need to find a higher impact and skilled starting 3.
At 2 we have THj to carry the load.
At 1, Baker starts for steady play on PG as a stop gap, and Frank develops as his backup . Frank's a longterm investment at 1.

Longterm in mind

Nurkic or Hernangomez (Could trade one of them for a starting 3 with high skill)
Porzingis
3 (Attained by trading one of Nurkic/Hernangomez)
Hardaway
Ntilikina

I think that's a great re-build that is FAST. Within a year from now we would be young, and have a starting 5 that's got a high skill, high impact player, still improving and very young.

There's no question that we could get a better package from Portland then we could get from Houston or Clev, we could also get a better return from Wash, OKC, Phoenix and other teams but he's still not gonna go to Portland or any of the other teams. Our big mistake was letting this thing with Houston look so much like it was gonna get done and getting Melo's hopes up that he was gonna play with CP3 and Harden and not have to pay state taxes cause now he doesn't even want to think about any other destinations, not that he did before but he definitely doesn't now.

If Knicks had owner like Mark Cuban or Pat Riley---this would be done. We have worst owner in sports and handles everything backwards. Oh well maybe Melo 10 minute player off bench after he gets booed unmercifully by fans--he collects cash--but everything else will be brutal:(

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7/16/2017  1:37 PM
Knickoftime wrote:I'm failing to see where an attractive $26m+ comes back from Portland, alone.

Harkless and Nurkic doesn't even get you 1/2 way there.


That's what I was wondering. Any deal that includes Crabbe or Turner should be a nonstarter as for as negotiations. I'm not sure if they're willing to throw in Aminu and Harkless. Maybe Vonleh and Ed Davis. I don't see them giving up Nurkic as well. It never hurts to ask.
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7/16/2017  1:42 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Portland believes with Melo they can be a top 4 team.
Because they won't be giving up CJ or Lillard.

So Collins, Leonard, Melo, CJ, Lillard starting 5.
Bench rotations in with Davis, Turner, Crabbe and Napier as regulars off the bench.
That's a 50 win team in the West,

IMO they would give up if pushed

Nurkic
Mo Harkless
Aminu

That's a great deal for us.
We should push for that trade and RUN.

Melo would stall it, but we would say one of two things.

Either come play off the bench with the Knicks or on a 28 minute restriction as a starter. Or accept the deal to the Blazers who with you would be a top 5 team in the West.

For us

Nurkic/Hernangomez
Porzingis/Kuzminskas
Aminu/Harkless
Hardaway/Dotson
Baker/Ntilikina

We would have one of the best Center rotations in the NBA with Nurkic/Hernangomez.
At 4 a real nice blend of KP/Kuz, Kuz more of a stretch 4, KP more of a big 4 that can play all over the floor.
At 3, it's a stop gap, role players, but young and active. Longterm may need to find a higher impact and skilled starting 3.
At 2 we have THj to carry the load.
At 1, Baker starts for steady play on PG as a stop gap, and Frank develops as his backup . Frank's a longterm investment at 1.

Longterm in mind

Nurkic or Hernangomez (Could trade one of them for a starting 3 with high skill)
Porzingis
3 (Attained by trading one of Nurkic/Hernangomez)
Hardaway
Ntilikina

I think that's a great re-build that is FAST. Within a year from now we would be young, and have a starting 5 that's got a high skill, high impact player, still improving and very young.

There's no question that we could get a better package from Portland then we could get from Houston or Clev, we could also get a better return from Wash, OKC, Phoenix and other teams but he's still not gonna go to Portland or any of the other teams. Our big mistake was letting this thing with Houston look so much like it was gonna get done and getting Melo's hopes up that he was gonna play with CP3 and Harden and not have to pay state taxes cause now he doesn't even want to think about any other destinations, not that he did before but he definitely doesn't now.

If Knicks had owner like Mark Cuban or Pat Riley---this would be done. We have worst owner in sports and handles everything backwards. Oh well maybe Melo 10 minute player off bench after he gets booed unmercifully by fans--he collects cash--but everything else will be brutal:(

What would be done?

I still don't think many fans grasp the fact Melo makes $26m.

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7/16/2017  1:45 PM
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Knickoftime wrote:I'm failing to see where an attractive $26m+ comes back from Portland, alone.

Harkless and Nurkic doesn't even get you 1/2 way there.


That's what I was wondering. Any deal that includes Crabbe or Turner should be a nonstarter as for as negotiations. I'm not sure if they're willing to throw in Aminu and Harkless. Maybe Vonleh and Ed Davis. I don't see them giving up Nurkic as well. It never hurts to ask.

I find it funny every trade I put through the trade machine with Melo both teams get worse
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7/16/2017  1:53 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Portland believes with Melo they can be a top 4 team.
Because they won't be giving up CJ or Lillard.

So Collins, Leonard, Melo, CJ, Lillard starting 5.
Bench rotations in with Davis, Turner, Crabbe and Napier as regulars off the bench.
That's a 50 win team in the West,

IMO they would give up if pushed

Nurkic
Mo Harkless
Aminu

That's a great deal for us.
We should push for that trade and RUN.

Melo would stall it, but we would say one of two things.

Either come play off the bench with the Knicks or on a 28 minute restriction as a starter. Or accept the deal to the Blazers who with you would be a top 5 team in the West.

For us

Nurkic/Hernangomez
Porzingis/Kuzminskas
Aminu/Harkless
Hardaway/Dotson
Baker/Ntilikina

We would have one of the best Center rotations in the NBA with Nurkic/Hernangomez.
At 4 a real nice blend of KP/Kuz, Kuz more of a stretch 4, KP more of a big 4 that can play all over the floor.
At 3, it's a stop gap, role players, but young and active. Longterm may need to find a higher impact and skilled starting 3.
At 2 we have THj to carry the load.
At 1, Baker starts for steady play on PG as a stop gap, and Frank develops as his backup . Frank's a longterm investment at 1.

Longterm in mind

Nurkic or Hernangomez (Could trade one of them for a starting 3 with high skill)
Porzingis
3 (Attained by trading one of Nurkic/Hernangomez)
Hardaway
Ntilikina

I think that's a great re-build that is FAST. Within a year from now we would be young, and have a starting 5 that's got a high skill, high impact player, still improving and very young.

There's no question that we could get a better package from Portland then we could get from Houston or Clev, we could also get a better return from Wash, OKC, Phoenix and other teams but he's still not gonna go to Portland or any of the other teams. Our big mistake was letting this thing with Houston look so much like it was gonna get done and getting Melo's hopes up that he was gonna play with CP3 and Harden and not have to pay state taxes cause now he doesn't even want to think about any other destinations, not that he did before but he definitely doesn't now.

If Knicks had owner like Mark Cuban or Pat Riley---this would be done. We have worst owner in sports and handles everything backwards. Oh well maybe Melo 10 minute player off bench after he gets booed unmercifully by fans--he collects cash--but everything else will be brutal:(

Melo won't be coming off the bench if he's a Knick next year.

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7/16/2017  1:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2017  1:56 PM
I usually don't do this, but just fooling around with salary matches came up with this the other night.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8c8vvjz

Portland gets rid of Myers. They can have a Cleveland protected pick.

Cleveland gives up Love, but gets a much better starting two in Gordon than Smith or Shump. They get the shorter contract in Melo in case Lebron bolts.

Houston give us Gordon, but gets the younger Love who be better as a floor spacer for Harden & Paul and who likes shooting from the corner. They get Lee to replace Gordon as the third guard off the bench to minimize the blow.

Houston (Paul) doesn't have to worry about meeting Melo and Cleveland doesn't have to worry about meeting Love unless in the Finals.

Knicks gets some immediate cap relief (more if Shump opts out next year) and they get a Euro-stash from Houston and Cleveland and a Houston pick.

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7/16/2017  1:54 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:I'm failing to see where an attractive $26m+ comes back from Portland, alone.

Harkless and Nurkic doesn't even get you 1/2 way there.


That's what I was wondering. Any deal that includes Crabbe or Turner should be a nonstarter as for as negotiations. I'm not sure if they're willing to throw in Aminu and Harkless. Maybe Vonleh and Ed Davis. I don't see them giving up Nurkic as well. It never hurts to ask.

I find it funny every trade I put through the trade machine with Melo both teams get worse

Yeah, I noticed the same thing. Yet, we still end up losing even more lol that's why cap flexibility is essential...we mind as well get something out of this theoretical trade with portand. Aminu, Davis and Vonlej can all come off after next season. I'm higher on Harkless than some. I think he can still grow some more as a player. Even if that wasn't the case, I'd still prefer him over Crabbe or Turner just based off the contracts.
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7/16/2017  2:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2017  2:17 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
wargames wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Portland believes with Melo they can be a top 4 team.
Because they won't be giving up CJ or Lillard.

So Collins, Leonard, Melo, CJ, Lillard starting 5.
Bench rotations in with Davis, Turner, Crabbe and Napier as regulars off the bench.
That's a 50 win team in the West,

IMO they would give up if pushed

Nurkic
Mo Harkless
Aminu

That's a great deal for us.
We should push for that trade and RUN.

Melo would stall it, but we would say one of two things.

Either come play off the bench with the Knicks or on a 28 minute restriction as a starter. Or accept the deal to the Blazers who with you would be a top 5 team in the West.

For us

Nurkic/Hernangomez
Porzingis/Kuzminskas
Aminu/Harkless
Hardaway/Dotson
Baker/Ntilikina

We would have one of the best Center rotations in the NBA with Nurkic/Hernangomez.
At 4 a real nice blend of KP/Kuz, Kuz more of a stretch 4, KP more of a big 4 that can play all over the floor.
At 3, it's a stop gap, role players, but young and active. Longterm may need to find a higher impact and skilled starting 3.
At 2 we have THj to carry the load.
At 1, Baker starts for steady play on PG as a stop gap, and Frank develops as his backup . Frank's a longterm investment at 1.

Longterm in mind

Nurkic or Hernangomez (Could trade one of them for a starting 3 with high skill)
Porzingis
3 (Attained by trading one of Nurkic/Hernangomez)
Hardaway
Ntilikina

I think that's a great re-build that is FAST. Within a year from now we would be young, and have a starting 5 that's got a high skill, high impact player, still improving and very young.

No way they give up Nurkic. Best we could probably get is Harkless and picks. They could probably still get a pick from another team for one of their Roleplayers too to add to the assets they send for Melo.


They might if we give them Willy back in the trade but it doesn't matter because Melo won't go there

I still don't see them doing that unless they are really only worried about cap space. For them to win they would want to add Melo to a core of Lillard, CJ, and Nurkic. Also for the Knicks to come out of that deal smelling good we would likely require 2 first rounders and Harkless and Aminu. Not a great pull but it could be worse.

Another scenario is Aminu, Harkless, and Vonleh and the Knicks then try to flip those into future first rounders themselves.

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7/16/2017  3:15 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:I'm failing to see where an attractive $26m+ comes back from Portland, alone.

Harkless and Nurkic doesn't even get you 1/2 way there.


That's what I was wondering. Any deal that includes Crabbe or Turner should be a nonstarter as for as negotiations. I'm not sure if they're willing to throw in Aminu and Harkless. Maybe Vonleh and Ed Davis. I don't see them giving up Nurkic as well. It never hurts to ask.

I find it funny every trade I put through the trade machine with Melo both teams get worse

Yeah, I noticed the same thing. Yet, we still end up losing even more lol that's why cap flexibility is essential...we mind as well get something out of this theoretical trade with portand. Aminu, Davis and Vonlej can all come off after next season. I'm higher on Harkless than some. I think he can still grow some more as a player. Even if that wasn't the case, I'd still prefer him over Crabbe or Turner just based off the contracts.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc4784k8
Knicks minus 4, Portland plus 3.
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7/16/2017  3:52 PM
I don't know how Portland thinks they can get Melo without giving up an asset that the Knicks would love.
If the Knicks wanted Mo Harkless and bad contracts they would have done this deal ages ago.

Knicks since Phil talked about it in his PC, want a core player, an asset of longterm value.
That stance has not changed.

If the Blazers want Melo, they need to give up either Collins or Nurkic.
If not, they can always trade CJ to the Knicks, but you know they wouldn't.

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7/16/2017  4:49 PM
I don't think Melo is going to the blazers but this interesting.
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7/16/2017  5:31 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:I'm failing to see where an attractive $26m+ comes back from Portland, alone.

Harkless and Nurkic doesn't even get you 1/2 way there.


That's what I was wondering. Any deal that includes Crabbe or Turner should be a nonstarter as for as negotiations. I'm not sure if they're willing to throw in Aminu and Harkless. Maybe Vonleh and Ed Davis. I don't see them giving up Nurkic as well. It never hurts to ask.

I find it funny every trade I put through the trade machine with Melo both teams get worse

Yeah, I noticed the same thing. Yet, we still end up losing even more lol that's why cap flexibility is essential...we mind as well get something out of this theoretical trade with portand. Aminu, Davis and Vonlej can all come off after next season. I'm higher on Harkless than some. I think he can still grow some more as a player. Even if that wasn't the case, I'd still prefer him over Crabbe or Turner just based off the contracts.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc4784k8
Knicks minus 4, Portland plus 3.

Throw in a pick and I can live with that.

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7/16/2017  6:05 PM
I'd love it if we could somehow get Zach Collins.
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7/16/2017  6:12 PM
I mentioned a sign and trade for Nurkic upthread. Don't know if thats doable, but that could get us closer salary wise to Melo. Just how close the Knicks would want to go would be the next question. It could be an insurance policy in case KP wants to bolt. Having a tough big like Nurkic on the roster might make a good case for KP staying as well, if the Knicks start producing.
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7/16/2017  6:22 PM
GustavBahler wrote:I mentioned a sign and trade for Nurkic upthread. Don't know if thats doable, but that could get us closer salary wise to Melo. Just how close the Knicks would want to go would be the next question. It could be an insurance policy in case KP wants to bolt. Having a tough big like Nurkic on the roster might make a good case for KP staying as well, if the Knicks start producing.

He's not a free agent.

So not doable at all.

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7/16/2017  6:26 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I mentioned a sign and trade for Nurkic upthread. Don't know if thats doable, but that could get us closer salary wise to Melo. Just how close the Knicks would want to go would be the next question. It could be an insurance policy in case KP wants to bolt. Having a tough big like Nurkic on the roster might make a good case for KP staying as well, if the Knicks start producing.

He's not a free agent.

So not doable at all.

He's been eligible to sign a contract extension with the Blazers since July 1. Not up on the rules regarding trading a player right after giving him an extension.

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7/16/2017  6:33 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I mentioned a sign and trade for Nurkic upthread. Don't know if thats doable, but that could get us closer salary wise to Melo. Just how close the Knicks would want to go would be the next question. It could be an insurance policy in case KP wants to bolt. Having a tough big like Nurkic on the roster might make a good case for KP staying as well, if the Knicks start producing.

He's not a free agent.

So not doable at all.

He's been eligible to sign a contract extension with the Blazers since July 1. Not up on the rules regarding trading a player right after giving him an extension.

Nope.
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7/16/2017  6:34 PM
BRIGGS wrote:They have more goods. It's a nice area with a good owner and a team of various stars If Melo rejects this if a reasonable deal can be done than well have to accept he's a knick next year. That's ok too but no way would I take less from houston

IMO...I may be wrong.....Portland knows Melo doesn't want Portland...they have known that all along BUT Portland is trying to lower their price as part of the 4 team deal.

By stating they don't want to be part of the 4 team trade (where was this response the last few weeks) they are either trying to dump more contracts into the deal or avoid giving up some talent/contracts that the Knicks/Rockets may have been either asking from them or wanting to dump back on them.

Negotiations.

Now Portland wants to trade for Melo

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