Knickoftime wrote:tttt

HofstraBBall wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Rookie wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I still don't see what interest Portland would have in the trade unless they are dumping Leonards contract? They do need a stretch 4 and Anderson fits the bill. They just traded away Crabbe in order to save money. Are they now willing to add that money back by taking on Anderson?

Do they value Anderson enough to be willing to move Harkless, Aminu or Davis & Vonleh. That's the only deal the Knicks would probably accept back. I don't see how Anderson would be worth that.

I saw on twitter that if they move Leonard and take on Anderson they save another 6 mil this year on their cap. I am not sure what it would mean for the other two years.

Leonard and Anderson have the same years. Portland wants to move Harkless and Leonard which equates to the 60mil over 3 yrs which matches Anderson's contract. They basically want to use Harkless and this deal to upgrade Leonard from being a waste on their roster to a productive player/ stetch 4 in Anderson. As well as clean up a spot for the tons of other young big men they have on their roster. But the Knicks haven't shown a willingness to take on Leonard. Knicks would most likely prefer Aminu or Davis who have 1-2 yrs left on their deals and are young players who would contribute. But there is no reason for Portland to make that deal and be stuck with Anderson and Leonard. They can get more than Anderson with a package of Harkless, Aminu, Vonleh which is what the Knicks would want.

Here's the tweet.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/JADubin5/status/889918678376075264/actions

So again, Houston adds nothing to the deal except a bad contract and they get the best player? Never going to happen

Houston would be giving up a future draft pick or 2 to the Knicks as well. Knicks should ask for 2 since teams want 2 picks for Anderson alone. Without even them getting back Melo. Anderson would be forwarded to the Blazers.
The problem is that Portland wants to package Harkless & Leonard and the Knicks don't want to take Leonard back.

The same exact issues that have plagued the trade going on weeks now.

Knicks are hopefully trying to dump Noah as part of any deal. But then again, that would kill any deal. As no one is dumb enough to take that contract. Nets?

can't imagine they have the space any more.

Houston receives : Melo; Leonard; O. Jaramaz
Knicks receive: Harkless; Gordon; Onuaku
Portland receives: Anderson; Kuzminskis; I. Taylor + 1st from Houston

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:The guy started a separate thread just for this rumor.
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/source-melo-to-rockets-to-be-finalized-on-friday.284453/

So the guy indicated his connection was in Detroit, suggesting perhaps Detroit is involved.

Houston: Melo
NY: Tobias Harris (25 years old), Ish Smith, cap filler from Houston
Detroit: Ryan Anderson, KOQ, cap filler from Houston

Knicks get SF and a backup PG.
Detroit gets a spacer PF next to Drummond, a backup C/PF and rid themselves of an extra PG (Avery, Reggie Jackson, Beno Udrih already on roster).

Maybe add a Houston pick to NY?

I'd be happy with this

agree... especially with a pick coming back. Ish Smith would be a great fit. Most of the roster are pretty good shooters. A guy that can get us some dribble penetration would be big. That's Smith's MO... he had a very good season last year

I'd be with that as well. Van Gundy wants a stretch 4. He's been trying to get the right one in that spot for some time now. Tobias plays tough. I like the kid

So what your saying is Ryan is better than Tobias..Your insane if you think that,

This trade is not happing by any stretch, No one want's a stretch 4 who shoots 2 or 3 three's per game for no 20 mill a year. Every pf in the league is shooting 3's, there like a dime a dozen these days

Markji wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:tttt

HofstraBBall wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Rookie wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I still don't see what interest Portland would have in the trade unless they are dumping Leonards contract? They do need a stretch 4 and Anderson fits the bill. They just traded away Crabbe in order to save money. Are they now willing to add that money back by taking on Anderson?

Do they value Anderson enough to be willing to move Harkless, Aminu or Davis & Vonleh. That's the only deal the Knicks would probably accept back. I don't see how Anderson would be worth that.

I saw on twitter that if they move Leonard and take on Anderson they save another 6 mil this year on their cap. I am not sure what it would mean for the other two years.

Leonard and Anderson have the same years. Portland wants to move Harkless and Leonard which equates to the 60mil over 3 yrs which matches Anderson's contract. They basically want to use Harkless and this deal to upgrade Leonard from being a waste on their roster to a productive player/ stetch 4 in Anderson. As well as clean up a spot for the tons of other young big men they have on their roster. But the Knicks haven't shown a willingness to take on Leonard. Knicks would most likely prefer Aminu or Davis who have 1-2 yrs left on their deals and are young players who would contribute. But there is no reason for Portland to make that deal and be stuck with Anderson and Leonard. They can get more than Anderson with a package of Harkless, Aminu, Vonleh which is what the Knicks would want.

Here's the tweet.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/JADubin5/status/889918678376075264/actions

So again, Houston adds nothing to the deal except a bad contract and they get the best player? Never going to happen

Houston would be giving up a future draft pick or 2 to the Knicks as well. Knicks should ask for 2 since teams want 2 picks for Anderson alone. Without even them getting back Melo. Anderson would be forwarded to the Blazers.
The problem is that Portland wants to package Harkless & Leonard and the Knicks don't want to take Leonard back.

The same exact issues that have plagued the trade going on weeks now.

Knicks are hopefully trying to dump Noah as part of any deal. But then again, that would kill any deal. As no one is dumb enough to take that contract. Nets?

can't imagine they have the space any more.

Knicks don't have to take Leonard; Houston does, and the trade works via ESPN trade checker.

Houston receives : Melo; Leonard; O. Jaramaz
Knicks receive: Harkless; Gordon; Onuaku
Portland receives: Anderson; Kuzminskis; I. Taylor + 1st from Houston

interesting. Does the trade work if the Knicks get that pick? I ask because it seems weird that Portland gets to salary dump Leonard and they get a pick back

I can see MDA and company being interested in this arrangement. With Melo they get a facsimile of Anderson (to some degree) in Leonard. And with Melo playing, Anderson would have received less shots and minutes -- which better suits Leonard

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:The guy started a separate thread just for this rumor.
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/source-melo-to-rockets-to-be-finalized-on-friday.284453/

So the guy indicated his connection was in Detroit, suggesting perhaps Detroit is involved.

Houston: Melo
NY: Tobias Harris (25 years old), Ish Smith, cap filler from Houston
Detroit: Ryan Anderson, KOQ, cap filler from Houston

Knicks get SF and a backup PG.
Detroit gets a spacer PF next to Drummond, a backup C/PF and rid themselves of an extra PG (Avery, Reggie Jackson, Beno Udrih already on roster).

Maybe add a Houston pick to NY?

I'd be happy with this

agree... especially with a pick coming back. Ish Smith would be a great fit. Most of the roster are pretty good shooters. A guy that can get us some dribble penetration would be big. That's Smith's MO... he had a very good season last year

I'd be with that as well. Van Gundy wants a stretch 4. He's been trying to get the right one in that spot for some time now. Tobias plays tough. I like the kid

So what your saying is Ryan is better than Tobias..Your insane if you think that,

This trade is not happing by any stretch, No one want's a stretch 4 who shoots 2 or 3 three's per game for no 20 mill a year. Every pf in the league is shooting 3's, there like a dime a dozen these days

I don't care what other people want (or what internet posters think they want). This is a tough comparison. Do you want the specialist who's deadly at the one thing he does well or the versatile player who's fairly good at many things but great at none? They both have a positive impact on the court - Anderson more so but he's older and you can't guarantee his weaknesses won't be more of a problem here. If it's just a straight up comparison of Anderson and Harris with no picks or anything else involved, I'd take Harris but It's close.

Harris is better but its about fit. Almost half of Harris offense comes from within 10 feet of the basket. Thats a poor fit next to Drummond who is a pure lane clogger and space taker. Now while Anderson is a less versatile player he's a much better fit next to Drummond. There is some fit/logic there.

Harris would be better fit for us too -- plays D, young, local kid, getting better

I agree Anderson is a better fit for Detroit too

Chandler wrote:

Markji wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:tttt

HofstraBBall wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Rookie wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I still don't see what interest Portland would have in the trade unless they are dumping Leonards contract? They do need a stretch 4 and Anderson fits the bill. They just traded away Crabbe in order to save money. Are they now willing to add that money back by taking on Anderson?

Do they value Anderson enough to be willing to move Harkless, Aminu or Davis & Vonleh. That's the only deal the Knicks would probably accept back. I don't see how Anderson would be worth that.

I saw on twitter that if they move Leonard and take on Anderson they save another 6 mil this year on their cap. I am not sure what it would mean for the other two years.

Leonard and Anderson have the same years. Portland wants to move Harkless and Leonard which equates to the 60mil over 3 yrs which matches Anderson's contract. They basically want to use Harkless and this deal to upgrade Leonard from being a waste on their roster to a productive player/ stetch 4 in Anderson. As well as clean up a spot for the tons of other young big men they have on their roster. But the Knicks haven't shown a willingness to take on Leonard. Knicks would most likely prefer Aminu or Davis who have 1-2 yrs left on their deals and are young players who would contribute. But there is no reason for Portland to make that deal and be stuck with Anderson and Leonard. They can get more than Anderson with a package of Harkless, Aminu, Vonleh which is what the Knicks would want.

Here's the tweet.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/JADubin5/status/889918678376075264/actions

So again, Houston adds nothing to the deal except a bad contract and they get the best player? Never going to happen

Houston would be giving up a future draft pick or 2 to the Knicks as well. Knicks should ask for 2 since teams want 2 picks for Anderson alone. Without even them getting back Melo. Anderson would be forwarded to the Blazers.
The problem is that Portland wants to package Harkless & Leonard and the Knicks don't want to take Leonard back.

The same exact issues that have plagued the trade going on weeks now.

Knicks are hopefully trying to dump Noah as part of any deal. But then again, that would kill any deal. As no one is dumb enough to take that contract. Nets?

can't imagine they have the space any more.

Knicks don't have to take Leonard; Houston does, and the trade works via ESPN trade checker.

Houston receives : Melo; Leonard; O. Jaramaz
Knicks receive: Harkless; Gordon; Onuaku
Portland receives: Anderson; Kuzminskis; I. Taylor + 1st from Houston

interesting. Does the trade work if the Knicks get that pick? I ask because it seems weird that Portland gets to salary dump Leonard and they get a pick back

I can see MDA and company being interested in this arrangement. With Melo they get a facsimile of Anderson (to some degree) in Leonard. And with Melo playing, Anderson would have received less shots and minutes -- which better suits Leonard

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:You guys absolutely baffle me, you will rip melo for his less than average defense, lack of leadership, and iso play, but call ryan Anderson a specialist.

That's the exact reason I don't rip melo like some of you, because I identify him as a scorer, nothing more, nothing less. I don't look for him to be a leader, a passer, a defender, or a all around stud.

some of you will overlook those same issues with other players like Irving and Anderson, but when it comes to melo, it's sooooo different. Anderson contract is by far, top 5 worse in the league(which is why 29 teams have been hanging up on Mory), not to mention he benefitted a lot, from MDA's system. Sorry, I just don't see melo going to houston

you're easily baffled, what can one say.

If melo acted like a specialist we'd have a different conversation. To some degree he acts like such on the Olympic team

the problem is melo doesn't. In his mind he's Lebron-esque, insulted he wasn't considered a top 15 rated player. He's a no defense, ball-stopping, chemistry-killing, coach-killing, president-killing, BFF-KP-killing, inefficient-shooting, choking chucker

Anderson is a specialist who has value for teams like Houston and Portland because he hits 3s, draws the interior defender out of the lane, and lets his guards have that much more room to penetrate

Markji wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Markji wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:tttt

HofstraBBall wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Rookie wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I still don't see what interest Portland would have in the trade unless they are dumping Leonards contract? They do need a stretch 4 and Anderson fits the bill. They just traded away Crabbe in order to save money. Are they now willing to add that money back by taking on Anderson?

Do they value Anderson enough to be willing to move Harkless, Aminu or Davis & Vonleh. That's the only deal the Knicks would probably accept back. I don't see how Anderson would be worth that.

I saw on twitter that if they move Leonard and take on Anderson they save another 6 mil this year on their cap. I am not sure what it would mean for the other two years.

Leonard and Anderson have the same years. Portland wants to move Harkless and Leonard which equates to the 60mil over 3 yrs which matches Anderson's contract. They basically want to use Harkless and this deal to upgrade Leonard from being a waste on their roster to a productive player/ stetch 4 in Anderson. As well as clean up a spot for the tons of other young big men they have on their roster. But the Knicks haven't shown a willingness to take on Leonard. Knicks would most likely prefer Aminu or Davis who have 1-2 yrs left on their deals and are young players who would contribute. But there is no reason for Portland to make that deal and be stuck with Anderson and Leonard. They can get more than Anderson with a package of Harkless, Aminu, Vonleh which is what the Knicks would want.

Here's the tweet.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/JADubin5/status/889918678376075264/actions

So again, Houston adds nothing to the deal except a bad contract and they get the best player? Never going to happen

Houston would be giving up a future draft pick or 2 to the Knicks as well. Knicks should ask for 2 since teams want 2 picks for Anderson alone. Without even them getting back Melo. Anderson would be forwarded to the Blazers.
The problem is that Portland wants to package Harkless & Leonard and the Knicks don't want to take Leonard back.

The same exact issues that have plagued the trade going on weeks now.

Knicks are hopefully trying to dump Noah as part of any deal. But then again, that would kill any deal. As no one is dumb enough to take that contract. Nets?

can't imagine they have the space any more.

Knicks don't have to take Leonard; Houston does, and the trade works via ESPN trade checker.

Houston receives : Melo; Leonard; O. Jaramaz
Knicks receive: Harkless; Gordon; Onuaku
Portland receives: Anderson; Kuzminskis; I. Taylor + 1st from Houston

interesting. Does the trade work if the Knicks get that pick? I ask because it seems weird that Portland gets to salary dump Leonard and they get a pick back

I can see MDA and company being interested in this arrangement. With Melo they get a facsimile of Anderson (to some degree) in Leonard. And with Melo playing, Anderson would have received less shots and minutes -- which better suits Leonard

Yes the trade works if we re-arrange the picks. But if the Knicks are getting Gordon from Houston as well as Harkless, I'm not sure Houston would give us that pick. And also Onuaku from Portland, then I think Portland will want something more to join in this trade as a faciliator. Those details of picks can be worked out; we can perhaps receive a 2nd round pick; its the players and matching salaries that are pretty tough to make meet the requirements of a trade. This will work and we get good assets in return for Melo. And I think it benefits all of the teams involved.

got it. thanks

will be interesting to watch. I have to imagine Houston will have trouble letting Gordon go after losing Williams. Who would be their 6th man they covet?

martin wrote:

Markji wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:tttt

HofstraBBall wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Rookie wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I still don't see what interest Portland would have in the trade unless they are dumping Leonards contract? They do need a stretch 4 and Anderson fits the bill. They just traded away Crabbe in order to save money. Are they now willing to add that money back by taking on Anderson?

Do they value Anderson enough to be willing to move Harkless, Aminu or Davis & Vonleh. That's the only deal the Knicks would probably accept back. I don't see how Anderson would be worth that.

I saw on twitter that if they move Leonard and take on Anderson they save another 6 mil this year on their cap. I am not sure what it would mean for the other two years.

Leonard and Anderson have the same years. Portland wants to move Harkless and Leonard which equates to the 60mil over 3 yrs which matches Anderson's contract. They basically want to use Harkless and this deal to upgrade Leonard from being a waste on their roster to a productive player/ stetch 4 in Anderson. As well as clean up a spot for the tons of other young big men they have on their roster. But the Knicks haven't shown a willingness to take on Leonard. Knicks would most likely prefer Aminu or Davis who have 1-2 yrs left on their deals and are young players who would contribute. But there is no reason for Portland to make that deal and be stuck with Anderson and Leonard. They can get more than Anderson with a package of Harkless, Aminu, Vonleh which is what the Knicks would want.

Here's the tweet.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/JADubin5/status/889918678376075264/actions

So again, Houston adds nothing to the deal except a bad contract and they get the best player? Never going to happen

Houston would be giving up a future draft pick or 2 to the Knicks as well. Knicks should ask for 2 since teams want 2 picks for Anderson alone. Without even them getting back Melo. Anderson would be forwarded to the Blazers.
The problem is that Portland wants to package Harkless & Leonard and the Knicks don't want to take Leonard back.

The same exact issues that have plagued the trade going on weeks now.

Knicks are hopefully trying to dump Noah as part of any deal. But then again, that would kill any deal. As no one is dumb enough to take that contract. Nets?

can't imagine they have the space any more.

Knicks don't have to take Leonard; Houston does, and the trade works via ESPN trade checker.

Houston receives : Melo; Leonard; O. Jaramaz
Knicks receive: Harkless; Gordon; Onuaku
Portland receives: Anderson; Kuzminskis; I. Taylor + 1st from Houston

Interesting trade, especially if Knicks can move Gordon again later on, really no need for him on the current roster.

Yes, perhaps trade CLee for a veteren PG. maybe Brandon Knight if he is healthy? Then our team is more evenly balanced. There is a hold on trading players received in a multi-player trade.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:You guys absolutely baffle me, you will rip melo for his less than average defense, lack of leadership, and iso play, but call ryan Anderson a specialist.

That's the exact reason I don't rip melo like some of you, because I identify him as a scorer, nothing more, nothing less. I don't look for him to be a leader, a passer, a defender, or a all around stud.

some of you will overlook those same issues with other players like Irving and Anderson, but when it comes to melo, it's sooooo different. Anderson contract is by far, top 5 worse in the league(which is why 29 teams have been hanging up on Mory), not to mention he benefitted a lot, from MDA's system. Sorry, I just don't see melo going to houston

if you are baffled its because you lack the understanding of how teams are built and roles and expectations of players. Was Anderson acquired by the Rockets to be option #1? To lead the team? To be the franchise centerpiece? To build around? To be the face of the franchise? Was Anderson the highest paid player in the league with the biggest contract? Or was he brought in do exactly what he does? Play a specialist role. Its really simple.

That's my problem with your assessment, why would I bring in melo to do any of those things he has never done in ever in his career.

But be honest with me, as it stands today, would you take back Anderson in a melo trade?