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lord have mercy... Knicks sign Hardaway Jr to an offer sheet worth almost $80mm
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GustavBahler
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7/6/2017  11:56 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:I hope you guys are happy. Is Mills active enough for you!

This was what I was worried about. Does THJ play defense now? Do the metrics fans see any improvement defensively? Unless Dolan plans on making Mills the permanent GM, why the hell would you sign anyone to that big a contract (4 years) right before handing the keys over to someone else?

Its not Noah bad. I really hope we see a lot more game from THJ this time around, and more cojones.
One big contract for one decent season.

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7/6/2017  11:57 PM
I give up.. We have Lee on a good contract. Dotson has looked like a stud. We drafted Frank who can play some 2guard and we resigned Baker. But the Knicks give $18 million a year to freaking Tim Hardaway Jr. I am done. I am going to take a break from the team, and start following the Kings.
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7/6/2017  11:58 PM
colorfl1 wrote:

the only thing to hope for is that the hawks have lost a bunch of FA so far this year and traded D12, so maybe they'll feel pressured to keep a guy that "they created" in a sense. jesus, i hope so.

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7/7/2017  12:00 AM
Please Atlanta you want to match this! THJ is a young stud you cant just let NYK steal him from you like this!!!
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7/7/2017  12:05 AM
This team is like a bad horror film, "let's split up".

UN F'KN BELIEVABLE. This is why atheism has become so prevalent. No God would allow this kind of stuff to keep happening.

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7/7/2017  12:06 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/7/2017  12:06 AM
THJ is only 25 though and made a big leap last season. He fits with our long term plans so I don't mind the trade at all. Also, if you average it out, we're paying KP, Willy, Frank, Dotson and Baker (5 core players) near the minimum so why not pay a little more for a 25 yr old who has shown vast improvement? The salaries will average out.
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7/7/2017  12:06 AM
15M the starting point for a starting 2 guard? Similar to the contract the Hawks gave to Kent Bazemore. Someone list some other contracts signed for shooting guards (starters)
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7/7/2017  12:10 AM
Andrew wrote:15M the starting point for a starting 2 guard? Similar to the contract the Hawks gave to Kent Bazemore. Someone list some other contracts signed for shooting guards (starters)

Crabbe signed a bad contact too... but Tim Hardaway is way better that him. At least Hardaway averaged more than 10 pts per game for his career.

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7/7/2017  12:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/7/2017  12:52 AM
Andrew wrote:15M the starting point for a starting 2 guard? Similar to the contract the Hawks gave to Kent Bazemore. Someone list some other contracts signed for shooting guards (starters)

2017 Shooting Guard Cap Hit Rankings

2017 Shooting Guard Cap Hit Rankings

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/cap-hit/shooting-guard/

Player Pts/Ast/Reb/Per (per ESPN player cards)

2017 cap-hit


1 James Harden
James Harden
Shooting Guard $28,299,399

2 DeMar DeRozan
DeMar DeRozan
Shooting Guard $27,739,975

3 C.J. McCollum /23.0 3.6 3.6 19.99
C.J. McCollum
Shooting Guard $23,962,572

4 Dwyane Wade
Dwyane Wade
Shooting Guard $23,800,000

5 Bradley Beal /23.1 3.5 3.1 20.21
Bradley Beal
Shooting Guard $23,775,506

6 J.J. Redick
J.J. Redick
Shooting Guard $23,000,000

7 Nicolas Batum /15.1 5.9 6.2 15.86
Nicolas Batum
Shooting Guard $22,434,783

8 Victor Oladipo /15.9 2.6 4.3 13.62
Victor Oladipo
Shooting Guard $21,000,000

9 Jimmy Butler
Jimmy Butler
Shooting Guard $19,300,894

10 Wesley Matthews/13.5 2.9 3.5 11.93
Wesley Matthews
Shooting Guard $17,884,175

11 Klay Thompson /22.3 2.1 3.7 17.53
Klay Thompson
Shooting Guard $17,826,150

12 Andre Iguodala /7.6 3.4 4.0 14.37
Andre Iguodala
Shooting Guard $17,391,304

13 Evan Fournier/17.2 3.0 3.1 13.99
Evan Fournier
Shooting Guard $17,000,000

14 Tim Hardaway Jr./14.5 2.3 2.8 15.26
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Shooting Guard $16,511,628

15 Jamal Crawford/12.3 2.6 1.6 12.06
Jamal Crawford
Shooting Guard $14,246,988

16 J.R. Smith /8.6 1.5 2.8 8.11
J.R. Smith
Shooting Guard $13,760,000

17 Eric Gordon /16.2 2.5 2.7 13.22
Eric Gordon
Shooting Guard $12,943,020

18 Dion Waiters /15.8 4.3 3.3 14.61
Dion Waiters
Shooting Guard $12,093,023

19 Austin Rivers
Austin Rivers
Shooting Guard $11,825,000

20 Courtney Lee
Courtney Lee
Shooting Guard $11,747,890

21 Jordan Clarkson
Jordan Clarkson
Shooting Guard $11,562,500

22 Iman Shumpert
Iman Shumpert
Shooting Guard $10,337,079

23 Danny Green
Danny Green
Shooting Guard $10,000,000

24 Matthew Dellavedova
Matthew Dellavedova
Shooting Guard $9,607,500

25 Andre Roberson
Andre Roberson
Shooting Guard $9,259,259

26 Avery Bradley
Avery Bradley
Shooting Guard $8,808,989

27 Bogdan Bogdanovic
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Shooting Guard $8,571,429

28 E'Twaun Moore
E'Twaun Moore
Shooting Guard $8,445,024

29 Vince Carter
Vince Carter
Shooting Guard $8,000,000

Garrett Temple
Garrett Temple
Shooting Guard $8,000,000

31 Corey Brewer
Corey Brewer
Shooting Guard $7,579,366

32 Louis Williams
Louis Williams
Shooting Guard $7,000,000

Jeremy Lamb
Jeremy Lamb
Shooting Guard $7,000,000

34 Kyle Korver
Kyle Korver
Shooting Guard $6,481,481

35 Wayne Ellington
Wayne Ellington
Shooting Guard $6,270,000

36 Tyler Johnson
Tyler Johnson
Shooting Guard $5,881,260

Wesley Johnson
Wesley Johnson
Shooting Guard $5,881,260

38 Alex Abrines
Alex Abrines
Shooting Guard $5,725,000

39 Ben McLemore
Ben McLemore
Shooting Guard $5,192,000

40 Dante Exum
Dante Exum
Shooting Guard $4,992,385

41 Justin Holiday
Justin Holiday
Shooting Guard $4,390,244

42 Nik Stauskas
Nik Stauskas
Shooting Guard $3,807,147

43 Buddy Hield
Buddy Hield
Shooting Guard $3,675,480

44 Will Barton
Will Barton
Shooting Guard $3,533,333

45 Mike Miller
Mike Miller
Shooting Guard $3,500,000

46 Troy Daniels
Troy Daniels
Shooting Guard $3,408,520

47 Jodie Meeks
Jodie Meeks
Shooting Guard $3,290,000

48 Zach LaVine
Zach LaVine
Shooting Guard $3,202,218

49 Seth Curry
Seth Curry
Shooting Guard $3,028,410

50 Tomas Satoransky
Tomas Satoransky
Shooting Guard $3,000,000

51 Malik Monk
Malik Monk
Shooting Guard $2,904,480

52 Luke Kennard
Luke Kennard
Shooting Guard $2,759,280

53 Donovan Mitchell
Donovan Mitchell
Shooting Guard $2,621,280

54 Gary Harris
Gary Harris
Shooting Guard $2,550,055

55 Malcom Delaney
Malcom Delaney
Shooting Guard $2,500,000

56 Rodney Hood
Rodney Hood
Shooting Guard $2,386,864

57 Devin Booker
Devin Booker
Shooting Guard $2,319,360

58 Denzel Valentine
Denzel Valentine
Shooting Guard $2,186,400

59 Rashad Vaughn
Rashad Vaughn
Shooting Guard $1,889,040

60 Jordan Crawford
Jordan Crawford
Shooting Guard $1,709,538

61 Malik Beasley
Malik Beasley
Shooting Guard $1,700,640

62 Caris LeVert
Caris LeVert
Shooting Guard $1,632,480

63 Justin Anderson
Justin Anderson
Shooting Guard $1,579,440

64 Archie Goodwin
Archie Goodwin
Shooting Guard $1,577,230

DeAndre Liggins
DeAndre Liggins
Shooting Guard $1,577,230

66 DeAndre' Bembry
DeAndre' Bembry
Shooting Guard $1,567,200

67 Elijah Millsap
Elijah Millsap
Shooting Guard $1,524,305

Joe Harris
Joe Harris
Shooting Guard $1,524,305

Sean Kilpatrick
Sean Kilpatrick
Shooting Guard $1,524,305

70 Malachi Richardson
Malachi Richardson
Shooting Guard $1,504,560

71 Pat Connaughton
Pat Connaughton
Shooting Guard $1,471,382

Norman Powell
Norman Powell
Shooting Guard $1,471,382

Josh Richardson
Josh Richardson
Shooting Guard $1,471,382

Glen Robinson III
Glen Robinson III
Shooting Guard $1,471,382

Axel Toupane
Axel Toupane
Shooting Guard $1,471,382

Briante Weber
Briante Weber
Shooting Guard $1,471,382

77 Furkan Korkmaz
Furkan Korkmaz
Shooting Guard $1,465,920

78 Josh Hart
Josh Hart
Shooting Guard $1,394,520

79 Patrick McCaw
Patrick McCaw
Shooting Guard $1,312,611

Rodney McGruder
Rodney McGruder
Shooting Guard $1,312,611

Sheldon McLellan
Sheldon McLellan
Shooting Guard $1,312,611

David Nwaba
David Nwaba
Shooting Guard $1,312,611

Wayne Selden
Wayne Selden
Shooting Guard $1,312,611

Bryn Forbes
Bryn Forbes
Shooting Guard $1,312,611

Michael Gbinije
Michael Gbinije
Shooting Guard $1,312,611

Marcus Georges-Hunt
Marcus Georges-Hunt
Shooting Guard $1,312,611

Treveon Graham
Treveon Graham
Shooting Guard $1,312,611

Malcolm Brogdon
Malcolm Brogdon
Shooting Guard $1,312,611

89 Davon Reed
Davon Reed
Shooting Guard $815,615

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7/7/2017  12:34 AM
Hardaway may even be a solid player. But we are paying full value for 2 months of work and pure potential.
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7/7/2017  12:37 AM
Crabbe made 18.5 last year... He's a shooting guard i didn't care what anyone says. He's also a bum sand the worst contract in the league at his position
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7/7/2017  12:40 AM
Everybody who was waiting for the Knicks to do something. I wish we were still waiting. I was watching NBATV and I saw this on the scroll and had to rewind it twice because I couldn't believe it. $71 million for THJ? No way ATL matches it.
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7/7/2017  12:42 AM
BLOODY HAAIL???
The idiots that wanted to fire Phil should be jumping up and and down. We are back to "37 wins now with Melo". WHOOOOOO - talk about making a splash! HEE HAAW!!

Can we please get Marbury back from China?

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7/7/2017  12:44 AM
Don't mind the THJ signing. People are overreacting a bit. Knicks are still getting younger but still adding players with some maturity. THJ is ready to roll and hitting the start of his prime. MEH! Not that bad if the Melo Trade and CLee trades are happening.
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7/7/2017  12:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/7/2017  12:50 AM
The only two positives I see in this are that we basically would have traded Rose for Hardaway in the end.
Second THj is young and would make a nice young backcourt pairing with Ntilikina.
Essentially we traded Rose and Lopez for Hardaway and Dotson, as the most important asset going out in the Rose trade was Grant who was traded for Hardaway.

Too much money. But if you want to get a restricted free agent you have to overpay.

I don't love this move, but I don't hate it either. I like that we went for a young free agent and overpaid him, vs going for a big name player who would be a declining asset. There is no guarantee Tim gets better or is a consistent 15 points a night player in these 4 years but he is young with his athletic prime ahead of him.

All that said, I think Atlanta will match,

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7/7/2017  12:48 AM
nixluva wrote:Don't mind the THJ signing. People are overreacting a bit. Knicks are still getting younger but still adding players with some maturity. THJ is ready to roll and hitting the start of his prime. MEH! Not that bad if the Melo Trade and CLee trades are happening.
Yeah, this has to be a set up for a bigger deal being worked on. But what happens if ATL matches (though I doubt it)?
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7/7/2017  12:50 AM
Andrew wrote:15M the starting point for a starting 2 guard? Similar to the contract the Hawks gave to Kent Bazemore. Someone list some other contracts signed for shooting guards (starters)
Solomon Hill? Not sure what he was signed for but he was overpaid.
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7/7/2017  12:52 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:BLOODY HAAIL???
The idiots that wanted to fire Phil should be jumping up and and down. We are back to "37 wins now with Melo". WHOOOOOO - talk about making a splash! HEE HAAW!!

Can we please get Marbury back from China?

This is awesome @#**(@$$

------IF STEVE MILLS GETS HIT BY A BUS, I WON'T CRY

CAN'T FIX STUPID.

Firing Phil doesn't mean you hire dumb @ss. Why couldn't the Knicks just go for the scraps after the Nets search and hire that guy from the Rockets?
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7/7/2017  12:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/7/2017  12:59 AM
I--too--was shocked by the amount of the contract and still may think it's too much.

But allow me to play Devil's Advocate for a second.

After the Korver trade, THJ averaged 18.2 ppg on 48% shooting and 38% from the field. That's elite SG numbers across the board.

He also led the team in the playoffs and outplayed Bazemore, who has a similar contract.

He's only 25, so if he plays at the level he did following the Korver trade, the years won't matter and the contract will be reasonable.

Also, this is not the same THJ we remember. His defense has vastly improved, including his overall game.

Lastly, Lee's contract has to be moved after this which will absorb 12 of the 18 per of THJ.

If Melo is moved, we need another scorer. That's what he is: he has his father's killer instinct.

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7/7/2017  1:09 AM
SocraticBallin22 wrote:I--too--was shocked by the amount of the contract and still may think it's too much.

But allow me to play Devil's Advocate for a second.

After the Korver trade, THJ averaged 18.2 ppg on 48% shooting and 38% from the field. That's elite SG numbers across the board.

He also led the team in the playoffs and outplayed Bazemore, who has a similar contract.

He's only 25, so if he plays at the level he did following the Korver trade, the years won't matter and the contract will be reasonable.

Also, this is not the same THJ we remember. His defense has vastly improved, including his overall game.

Lastly, Lee's contract has to be moved after this which will absorb 12 of the 18 per of THJ.

If Melo is moved, we need another scorer. That's what he is: he has his father's killer instinct.

That's a level headed approach.

I mentioned in a Tim Hardaway Jr thread a while back that the kids might feel he has unfinished business here... well I asked for it. Quiet as kept the kids story still isn't finished.

You know why I'm here....
lord have mercy... Knicks sign Hardaway Jr to an offer sheet worth almost $80mm

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