At 10$M this move is easy decision.
At 17$M and a trade kicker, this is very tough.

fitzfarm wrote:

nixluva wrote:What the Knicks were likely looking at is how THJ progressed and in particular when he started getting starter minutes.

DATE	  MIN	FGM-FGA	  FG%	3PM-3PA	 3P%	FTM-FTA	 FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
February  31.4	6.1-13.3  .459	2.5-6.4	 .386	2.8-3.3	 .861	3.9	2.4	0.3	0.6	1.0	1.5	17.5
March     32.3	6.4-13.5  .472	2.1-5.9	 .362	3.4-3.9	 .857	2.9	2.6	0.2	1.1	1.5	1.8	18.3
April     33.0	6.7-13.2  .506	2.0-4.8  .414	2.8-3.7	 .773	5.3	3.8	0.0	0.3	1.8	1.8	18.2

They're taking a gamble that he's about to take the next step in his career to a legit starter level.

I'd say that's a pretty good gamble !

nyknickzingis wrote:The question is if THj is there, then why would the Hawks not match.
They know him even better than us, regarding those 3 months.

At 10$M this move is easy decision.
At 17$M and a trade kicker, this is very tough.

That's all there is to it. After years of overpaying for straight up garbage Knicks fans have been completely desensitized. Every starfukk or in this case plain old fukk since this guy isn't even a star leads to miles of posts spinning this into some positive jedi mind trick. THEN they get mad when it doesn't work. Knicks fans - meh

meloshouldgo wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The question is if THj is there, then why would the Hawks not match.
They know him even better than us, regarding those 3 months.

At 10$M this move is easy decision.
At 17$M and a trade kicker, this is very tough.

That's all there is to it. After years of overpaying for straight up garbage Knicks fans have been completely desensitized. Every starfukk or in this case plain old fukk since this guy isn't even a star leads to miles of posts spinning this into some positive jedi mind trick. THEN they get mad when it doesn't work. Knicks fans - meh

lol I'll say this again crabbe<Timmy bazemore<Timmy turner<Timmy all those guys are making just as much and are not the player timmy is, timmys a lot better. Again this is just the nyk media making a downpour over a few rain drops...

fitzfarm wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The question is if THj is there, then why would the Hawks not match.
They know him even better than us, regarding those 3 months.

At 10$M this move is easy decision.
At 17$M and a trade kicker, this is very tough.

That's all there is to it. After years of overpaying for straight up garbage Knicks fans have been completely desensitized. Every starfukk or in this case plain old fukk since this guy isn't even a star leads to miles of posts spinning this into some positive jedi mind trick. THEN they get mad when it doesn't work. Knicks fans - meh

lol I'll say this again crabbe<Timmy bazemore<Timmy turner<Timmy all those guys are making just as much and are not the player timmy is, timmys a lot better. Again this is just the nyk media making a downpour over a few rain drops...

More like 71 million raindrops over 4 years. Fans have every reason to be skeptical.

nixluva wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The question is if THj is there, then why would the Hawks not match.
They know him even better than us, regarding those 3 months.

At 10$M this move is easy decision.
At 17$M and a trade kicker, this is very tough.

That's all there is to it. After years of overpaying for straight up garbage Knicks fans have been completely desensitized. Every starfukk or in this case plain old fukk since this guy isn't even a star leads to miles of posts spinning this into some positive jedi mind trick. THEN they get mad when it doesn't work. Knicks fans - meh

If THJ continues to improve and plays at the level he did once he was starting, then he's going to help this team. He's just one piece and we have to wait and see what else they do with the roster. It's a good young base the Knicks are putting together. This is a process. You can't expect miracles. There's no short cuts this time. Gotta develop these young players into STARS.

If you honestly believe I am looking for miracles, there's nothing else to discuss. Have we never before seen players go crazy one their contract year only to revert to their mean? How many examples would you like? He played well for a few games so we overpay by 25 million? Where does this stop? If Melo had a good Season should we sign him for 300 mil and pretend the last 6 years didn't happen?

fitzfarm wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The question is if THj is there, then why would the Hawks not match.
They know him even better than us, regarding those 3 months.

At 10$M this move is easy decision.
At 17$M and a trade kicker, this is very tough.

That's all there is to it. After years of overpaying for straight up garbage Knicks fans have been completely desensitized. Every starfukk or in this case plain old fukk since this guy isn't even a star leads to miles of posts spinning this into some positive jedi mind trick. THEN they get mad when it doesn't work. Knicks fans - meh

lol I'll say this again crabbe<Timmy bazemore<Timmy turner<Timmy all those guys are making just as much and are not the player timmy is, timmys a lot better. Again this is just the nyk media making a downpour over a few rain drops...

More like 71 million raindrops over 4 years. Fans have every reason to be skeptical.

How come the NBA world didn't freak out when crabbe signed a bigger contract then thjr' offer? How come the NBA world didn't freak out when turner signed a huge contract or bazemore ? All players that are not the talent that thjr is?

Exactly no response, it just shows how the media picks on us cause it keeps there ratings up

Who are you talking to and what are you asking? Why do you expect us to tell you why the idiot media does or doesn't do something, what would that prove?

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The question is if THj is there, then why would the Hawks not match.
They know him even better than us, regarding those 3 months.

At 10$M this move is easy decision.
At 17$M and a trade kicker, this is very tough.

That's all there is to it. After years of overpaying for straight up garbage Knicks fans have been completely desensitized. Every starfukk or in this case plain old fukk since this guy isn't even a star leads to miles of posts spinning this into some positive jedi mind trick. THEN they get mad when it doesn't work. Knicks fans - meh

lol I'll say this again crabbe<Timmy bazemore<Timmy turner<Timmy all those guys are making just as much and are not the player timmy is, timmys a lot better. Again this is just the nyk media making a downpour over a few rain drops...

More like 71 million raindrops over 4 years. Fans have every reason to be skeptical.

How come the NBA world didn't freak out when crabbe signed a bigger contract then thjr' offer? How come the NBA world didn't freak out when turner signed a huge contract or bazemore ? All players that are not the talent that thjr is?

THJ would be getting starter money after a very brief run as an effective bench player. After the Hawks put him through hell to put up those numbers, briefly. Dont believe THJ played well enough, long enough, to bring him back for that kind of money on a rebuilding team.

Don't believe you give that kind of a deal to anyone if you are planning to step aside as GM. Rasputin could learn something from Mills.

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:The question is if THj is there, then why would the Hawks not match.
They know him even better than us, regarding those 3 months.

At 10$M this move is easy decision.
At 17$M and a trade kicker, this is very tough.

That's all there is to it. After years of overpaying for straight up garbage Knicks fans have been completely desensitized. Every starfukk or in this case plain old fukk since this guy isn't even a star leads to miles of posts spinning this into some positive jedi mind trick. THEN they get mad when it doesn't work. Knicks fans - meh

lol I'll say this again crabbe<Timmy bazemore<Timmy turner<Timmy all those guys are making just as much and are not the player timmy is, timmys a lot better. Again this is just the nyk media making a downpour over a few rain drops...

More like 71 million raindrops over 4 years. Fans have every reason to be skeptical.

How come the NBA world didn't freak out when crabbe signed a bigger contract then thjr' offer? How come the NBA world didn't freak out when turner signed a huge contract or bazemore ? All players that are not the talent that thjr is?

THJ would be getting starter money after a very brief run as an effective bench player. After the Hawks put him through hell to put up those numbers, briefly. Dont believe THJ played well enough, long enough, to bring him back for that kind of money on a rebuilding team.

Don't believe you give that kind of a deal to anyone if you are planning to step aside as GM. Rasputin could learn something from Mills.

Thjr was the starter he earned it halfway through the year. Turner was never a starter he got 70 mil to be a bench player, same for crabbe at 75, Kent bazemore who makes 70 mil lost minutes to timmy .

Timmy is getting starter money to be our starter he's still developing at 25 ... I'm not saying we got a deal for thjr we definitely are taking a risk but the guy was lights out for the second half of the season . He turned the corner for sure on both ends of the court. And with lower talent like bazemore,crabbe, and turner getting the same or more $ this shouldn't be a shock .

Jmpasq wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:95% of Knicks fans thinks the deal was dumb 100% of Atlanta fans agree.

Dion Waiters got 50mm and Hardaway 71

No way to chew it--my bet is fans will have a quick buyers remorse and well be discussing how to get rid of Hardaways contract in 2 years.

Mills overpaid so Atlanta would not match.
He did it after Waiters rejected his offer.
They want a starting level 2 guard that can give 15 points a night to pair with Ntilikina in the backcourt longterm. 25 and younger is what they want.

After Waiters, next best option was Hardaway.

The money does suck. I agree. It's a huge risk. I hope Atlanta matches, but I like we went after a guy that is young on the upswing or upward slope of his career vs going for Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Courtney Lee, Brandon Jennings who are on the downward trend of their careers.

My point is why, Hardaway Jr. doesn't make the Knicks better. So what if he is 25, you can't kill cap flexibility with a player that doesn't help you win games