CrushAlot wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Mills is the temporary (as far as we know) man in charge. Im hoping he works around the edges, no big deals with long term cap implications. Leave as much room to work with as possible for the incoming pres.

I think that is the plan. I heard that Sam Amick (USA Today) reported that the league office would like for the Knicks to get Ujiri. Not sure how that would happen without them giving up a pick to the Raptors.

Toronto is not going to stop Ujiri from taking on a large, more senior role paying more money.

Honestly, if I were Phil, I would offer RC Buford or Popovich a part ownership in the Knicks to help transform the organization.

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Frank n willy G and two number 1s for denadre jordan. It's coming! This is just another knick rehash. Why couldn't we stay with Phil for the full 5 years?

Go back in time. Every few years we trade draft picks and young plYers for one player

Briggs, the slimy press, Melo and his sidekick KP, and ignorant fans threw Phil aside. And now instead of having a great eye for talent and a guy who keeps all his draft choices in charge we're destined to wander lost in the desert for another 40 years. It's our destiny.

Shouldve pulled the trigger for J Jackson and a little less--he would still be here. I think sports fans--there are many gullible one's. We had a **** team when Jackson came in--dont these people in anyway believe that Phil was told by Dolan to try and make it work with melo first? He did not come close to doing a great great job--BUT the process was changing to rebuilding. Now other teams see us as sckers--now they see. This is the same guy Steve Mills who saw us through how many 20 win seasons? We had one decent season in the last 17 years while spending more than any other team. They are going to say get a third star--bang goodbye draft picks and young players--and then the process--which we have done 4-5 times starts again. Phil couldve shouldve traded KP--I said it that day--just take J Jackson and some additives. Doesnt matter now

Chandler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Mills is the temporary (as far as we know) man in charge. Im hoping he works around the edges, no big deals with long term cap implications. Leave as much room to work with as possible for the incoming pres.

I think that is the plan. I heard that Sam Amick (USA Today) reported that the league office would like for the Knicks to get Ujiri. Not sure how that would happen without them giving up a pick to the Raptors.

I don't get the ujiri love.

He fcked Dolan over a few times--thats it. Championship caliber? Never got out of rd 2.

BRIGGS wrote:

Chandler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Mills is the temporary (as far as we know) man in charge. Im hoping he works around the edges, no big deals with long term cap implications. Leave as much room to work with as possible for the incoming pres.

I think that is the plan. I heard that Sam Amick (USA Today) reported that the league office would like for the Knicks to get Ujiri. Not sure how that would happen without them giving up a pick to the Raptors.

I don't get the ujiri love.

He fcked Dolan over a few times--thats it. Championship caliber? Never got out of rd 2.

Other than fleecing Knicks his drafts are spotty. His FA signing is spotty. Trades meh

After each season rookies added to team
2014-15: Porzingis, Hernangomez, Grant
2015-16: Kuzminskas, Baker, Randle
2016-17: Ntilikina, Dotson

I'm worried we will send a good asset away for a veteran star.

Even the Porzingis trade talk

It was for two lottery picks young starter AND Noah contract out

Can't say I am sure next guy will be interested in drafting and developing

In NY they want immediate results
If Phil couldn't get patience doubt anyone else would

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Frank n willy G and two number 1s for denadre jordan. It's coming! This is just another knick rehash. Why couldn't we stay with Phil for the full 5 years?

Go back in time. Every few years we trade draft picks and young plYers for one player

Briggs, the slimy press, Melo and his sidekick KP, and ignorant fans threw Phil aside. And now instead of having a great eye for talent and a guy who keeps all his draft choices in charge we're destined to wander lost in the desert for another 40 years. It's our destiny.

Shouldve pulled the trigger for J Jackson and a little less--he would still be here. I think sports fans--there are many gullible one's. We had a **** team when Jackson came in--dont these people in anyway believe that Phil was told by Dolan to try and make it work with melo first? He did not come close to doing a great great job--BUT the process was changing to rebuilding. Now other teams see us as sckers--now they see. This is the same guy Steve Mills who saw us through how many 20 win seasons? We had one decent season in the last 17 years while spending more than any other team. They are going to say get a third star--bang goodbye draft picks and young players--and then the process--which we have done 4-5 times starts again. Phil couldve shouldve traded KP--I said it that day--just take J Jackson and some additives. Doesnt matter now

Oh look, Briggs figured out a way to mention an imaginary Josh Jackson for KP trade again.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Frank n willy G and two number 1s for denadre jordan. It's coming! This is just another knick rehash. Why couldn't we stay with Phil for the full 5 years?

Go back in time. Every few years we trade draft picks and young plYers for one player

Briggs, the slimy press, Melo and his sidekick KP, and ignorant fans threw Phil aside. And now instead of having a great eye for talent and a guy who keeps all his draft choices in charge we're destined to wander lost in the desert for another 40 years. It's our destiny.

Shouldve pulled the trigger for J Jackson and a little less--he would still be here. I think sports fans--there are many gullible one's. We had a **** team when Jackson came in--dont these people in anyway believe that Phil was told by Dolan to try and make it work with melo first? He did not come close to doing a great great job--BUT the process was changing to rebuilding. Now other teams see us as sckers--now they see. This is the same guy Steve Mills who saw us through how many 20 win seasons? We had one decent season in the last 17 years while spending more than any other team. They are going to say get a third star--bang goodbye draft picks and young players--and then the process--which we have done 4-5 times starts again. Phil couldve shouldve traded KP--I said it that day--just take J Jackson and some additives. Doesnt matter now

Oh look, Briggs figured out a way to mention an imaginary Josh Jackson for KP trade again.

Id rather an imaginary trade that the sht we are about to endure with Steve Mills. The Knicks are like a relative with cancer--you love them--but you know they are diseased with something God awful. The only true treatment is a person with very large pockets who can buy the team and kick the rest of this BS out. Unfortunately not many of these people exist.

Then stop enduring it.

The Knicks are one asset in a larger publicly traded company, a profitable one. They aren't saleable.

That said, to suggest Phil Jackson would still be here if he had traded porzingis is absent of common sense. That may be the thing that helps you believe you know basketball better than other people, but to suggest James Dolan of all people would be so impressed with swapping a player he likely has never heard of for porzingis, perhaps his star power a factor in Jackson being fired, just lacks any sense.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Frank n willy G and two number 1s for denadre jordan. It's coming! This is just another knick rehash. Why couldn't we stay with Phil for the full 5 years?

Go back in time. Every few years we trade draft picks and young plYers for one player

Briggs, the slimy press, Melo and his sidekick KP, and ignorant fans threw Phil aside. And now instead of having a great eye for talent and a guy who keeps all his draft choices in charge we're destined to wander lost in the desert for another 40 years. It's our destiny.

Shouldve pulled the trigger for J Jackson and a little less--he would still be here. I think sports fans--there are many gullible one's. We had a **** team when Jackson came in--dont these people in anyway believe that Phil was told by Dolan to try and make it work with melo first? He did not come close to doing a great great job--BUT the process was changing to rebuilding. Now other teams see us as sckers--now they see. This is the same guy Steve Mills who saw us through how many 20 win seasons? We had one decent season in the last 17 years while spending more than any other team. They are going to say get a third star--bang goodbye draft picks and young players--and then the process--which we have done 4-5 times starts again. Phil couldve shouldve traded KP--I said it that day--just take J Jackson and some additives. Doesnt matter now

Oh look, Briggs figured out a way to mention an imaginary Josh Jackson for KP trade again.

Id rather an imaginary trade that the sht we are about to endure with Steve Mills. The Knicks are like a relative with cancer--you love them--but you know they are diseased with something God awful. The only true treatment is a person with very large pockets who can buy the team and kick the rest of this BS out. Unfortunately not many of these people exist.

Then stop enduring it.

The Knicks are one asset in a larger publicly traded company, a profitable one. They aren't saleable.

That said, to suggest Phil Jackson would still be here if he had traded porzingis is absent of common sense. That may be the thing that helps you believe you know basketball better than other people, but to suggest James Dolan of all people would be so impressed with swapping a player he likely has never heard of for porzingis, perhaps his star power a factor in Jackson being fired, just lacks any sense.

LOL What does Jim Dolan know about basketball???? So an owner would not know who a top pick is--thats why we sck! A person with only slight knowledge ultimately makes the calls. Thats why we have won less money per games spent over 20 years--worst ratio in sports history.

We couldve used Jackson badly to balance the team--no desperation for KP with Willy G here. They dont balance each other out. Jackson was the two way player we needed--perfect fit. Alas now he is the 3rd or 4th option on a terribly balanced Suns team.

Phil's real crime was he treated the media with contempt, so they laid into him relentlessly and stirred up the fans against him- leapt on anything he said and when he didn't say anything they leapt on that.

Compare his stint to Donnie Walsch's- Donnies was way worse but because he was nice to the writers he gets a pass, compare his coverage to Phil's.

franco12 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Mills is the temporary (as far as we know) man in charge. Im hoping he works around the edges, no big deals with long term cap implications. Leave as much room to work with as possible for the incoming pres.

I think that is the plan. I heard that Sam Amick (USA Today) reported that the league office would like for the Knicks to get Ujiri. Not sure how that would happen without them giving up a pick to the Raptors.

Toronto is not going to stop Ujiri from taking on a large, more senior role paying more money.

Honestly, if I were Phil, I would offer RC Buford or Popovich a part ownership in the Knicks to help transform the organization.

Bonn1997 wrote:Before Phil got here, Dolan blocked the Lowry trade because he no longer wanted to give up picks. If Uriji comes, I think you'll still see a rebuild through the draft but it will be done by a man who actually is competent at making trades and signing players too. We won't be overpaying for useless big names like Melo, Rose, and Noah. It will be a much more intelligent rebuild.

Uriji is a former player and understands the game well. He also understands all the analytics and modern NBA. It's the perfect biography and philosophy for a GM.

You mean like giving Demmarre Carroll 4 years and 62mm? Or trading for Serge Ibaka for your young lottery pick player and an additional 1st rd pick as he goes to free agency? Several lottery picks and 1st rounders equaled to nothing? Already had Demar and Lowry on the roster before he took over. How did he improve the team that much-- Complete playoff failure?
Now watch the Raptors--losing Lowry lets see where they are now:)