Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Sinix wrote:Any team that is going to want Melo is going to be competing for a championship this season. And if they are competing for a championship seriously, Melo should not be picky.

Windhorst said yesterday on Lowe's podcast that if Melo goes he wants to stay east to be near his family. He said he had heard that this was a very important factor for him.

I don't buy Family Melo anymore. Not after two timing on his wife with a stripper. It's all an act with him.

Sad.

Sports is fun. You've forgotten that.

Then why criticize anyone, ever in sports? Sports is fun. No one should ever get fired or cut ever. Good, realistic, attitude.

Getting fired or cut is active. The people in decision making roles actually DO something.

Your criticism is passive. It does nothing.

At least YOU and are having an active exchange. Unfortunately, I'm not the Knicks, so your criticisms are just doing nothing.

That said, criticism about sports is fine. You've taken to attacking him personally in a forum he won't even hear you.

That just reflects badly on you.

Dude cheats on his wife with a stripper and destroys his family and I'm supposed to turn a blind eye? It reflects on ME badly because I don't approve of what he's done. Get a grip dude. Stop trying to get personal with me.

What does it have to do with basketball?

You can get personal with Melo but I can't get personal with you?

This is the blatant hypocrisy so many sports fans don't even see.

EVERYONE is fair game... except you. How dare anyone criticize you?

The irony is thick.

This kind of brings us back to this point about no other player ever getting so much excuses for having such little resume.

Which you an I haven't disputed.

What does this have to do with basketball? Someone said family might be the reason he doesn't waive NTC.... which is bs. Name 1 other player in the NBA who is such a diva about having to be around his family. Like he doesn't have millions upon millions upon millions to be where he needs to be within hours no matter where he is in the country. The family thing is a convenient excuse and I'm calling Melo out on it after he showed us where his family values are at after choosing the stripper over them.

He didn't ask for a NTC fearing he was going to be moved from a successful team. This is what a NTC is for. To be used.

Like a LOT of people, Melo has decided he wants to decide where to work and live.

*I* enjoy that choice. Now I understand the NBA is a unique work environment, but he had the market power to ask for and get the simple right you and I have. I can't reasonably begrudge him that.

Melo is a Knick and getting paid near 30 mil a year. When he signed a near 30 mil a year contract, he signed up for his life to be public like this. He signed up for the scrutiny attached to a leadership role. Me as a forum guy talking to a bunch of idiot fans, not so much. It's downright weird you are trying to get personal with me.

You said you had a job with the team. Those were your exact words.

So that's out and out what you are saying. You've advocating personally attacking a player, advocating trying to make his playing environment miserable so he's motivated to leave, but despite your job/role with the team, you should be above scrutiny.

I have a hard time wrapping my head around that.

And I got attacked by Briggs yesterday. Not like a can't relate.

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Sinix wrote:Any team that is going to want Melo is going to be competing for a championship this season. And if they are competing for a championship seriously, Melo should not be picky.

Windhorst said yesterday on Lowe's podcast that if Melo goes he wants to stay east to be near his family. He said he had heard that this was a very important factor for him.

I don't buy Family Melo anymore. Not after two timing on his wife with a stripper. It's all an act with him.

Sad.

Sports is fun. You've forgotten that.

Then why criticize anyone, ever in sports? Sports is fun. No one should ever get fired or cut ever. Good, realistic, attitude.

Getting fired or cut is active. The people in decision making roles actually DO something.

Your criticism is passive. It does nothing.

At least YOU and are having an active exchange. Unfortunately, I'm not the Knicks, so your criticisms are just doing nothing.

That said, criticism about sports is fine. You've taken to attacking him personally in a forum he won't even hear you.

That just reflects badly on you.

Dude cheats on his wife with a stripper and destroys his family and I'm supposed to turn a blind eye? It reflects on ME badly because I don't approve of what he's done. Get a grip dude. Stop trying to get personal with me.

What does it have to do with basketball?

You can get personal with Melo but I can't get personal with you?

This is the blatant hypocrisy so many sports fans don't even see.

EVERYONE is fair game... except you. How dare anyone criticize you?

The irony is thick.

This kind of brings us back to this point about no other player ever getting so much excuses for having such little resume.

Which you an I haven't disputed.

What does this have to do with basketball? Someone said family might be the reason he doesn't waive NTC.... which is bs. Name 1 other player in the NBA who is such a diva about having to be around his family. Like he doesn't have millions upon millions upon millions to be where he needs to be within hours no matter where he is in the country. The family thing is a convenient excuse and I'm calling Melo out on it after he showed us where his family values are at after choosing the stripper over them.

He didn't ask for a NTC fearing he was going to be moved from a successful team. This is what a NTC is for. To be used.

Like a LOT of people, Melo has decided he wants to decide where to work and live.

*I* enjoy that choice. Now I understand the NBA is a unique work environment, but he had the market power to ask for and get the simple right you and I have. I can't reasonably begrudge him that.

Melo is a Knick and getting paid near 30 mil a year. When he signed a near 30 mil a year contract, he signed up for his life to be public like this. He signed up for the scrutiny attached to a leadership role. Me as a forum guy talking to a bunch of idiot fans, not so much. It's downright weird you are trying to get personal with me.

You said you had a job with the team. Those were your exact words.

So that's out and out what you are saying. You've advocating personally attacking a player, advocating trying to make his playing environment miserable so he's motivated to leave, but despite your job/role with the team, you should be above scrutiny.

I have a hard time wrapping my head around that.

And I got attacked by Briggs yesterday. Not like a can't relate.

He didn't ask for a NTC fearing he was going to be moved from a successful team. This is what a NTC is for. To be used.
Like a LOT of people, Melo has decided he wants to decide where to work and live.
*I* enjoy that choice. Now I understand the NBA is a unique work environment, but he had the market power to ask for and get the simple right you and I have. I can't reasonably begrudge him that.

Melo has a NTC and the Knicks cannot break that. However the Knicks can bench him if thats whats best for the team, which it might be at this point if he doesn't want to be moved.

You said you had a job with the team. Those were your exact words.
So that's out and out what you are saying. You've advocating personally attacking a player, advocating trying to make his playing environment miserable so he's motivated to leave, but despite your job/role with the team, you should be above scrutiny.
I have a hard time wrapping my head around that.
And I got attacked by Briggs yesterday. Not like a can't relate.

What? I never said I work with the team. Show me where I wrote that lol.

You have a hard time wrapping your head around boo'ing a player that's hurting the franchise you root for? Guess what? Over the years I've boo'd Eddy Curry, Stephon Marbury, Dolan and more. Lots of fans go to sporting events to cheer people and boo people. It's part of engaging in sports as a fan.

What's with defending Melo like he's your dad? I've already talked about my motivations as a Knick fan, what are your motivations as a Melo fan boy?

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Sinix wrote:Any team that is going to want Melo is going to be competing for a championship this season. And if they are competing for a championship seriously, Melo should not be picky.

Windhorst said yesterday on Lowe's podcast that if Melo goes he wants to stay east to be near his family. He said he had heard that this was a very important factor for him.

I don't buy Family Melo anymore. Not after two timing on his wife with a stripper. It's all an act with him.

Sad.

Sports is fun. You've forgotten that.

Then why criticize anyone, ever in sports? Sports is fun. No one should ever get fired or cut ever. Good, realistic, attitude.

Getting fired or cut is active. The people in decision making roles actually DO something.

Your criticism is passive. It does nothing.

At least YOU and are having an active exchange. Unfortunately, I'm not the Knicks, so your criticisms are just doing nothing.

That said, criticism about sports is fine. You've taken to attacking him personally in a forum he won't even hear you.

That just reflects badly on you.

Dude cheats on his wife with a stripper and destroys his family and I'm supposed to turn a blind eye? It reflects on ME badly because I don't approve of what he's done. Get a grip dude. Stop trying to get personal with me.

What does it have to do with basketball?

You can get personal with Melo but I can't get personal with you?

This is the blatant hypocrisy so many sports fans don't even see.

EVERYONE is fair game... except you. How dare anyone criticize you?

The irony is thick.

This kind of brings us back to this point about no other player ever getting so much excuses for having such little resume.

Which you an I haven't disputed.

What does this have to do with basketball? Someone said family might be the reason he doesn't waive NTC.... which is bs. Name 1 other player in the NBA who is such a diva about having to be around his family. Like he doesn't have millions upon millions upon millions to be where he needs to be within hours no matter where he is in the country. The family thing is a convenient excuse and I'm calling Melo out on it after he showed us where his family values are at after choosing the stripper over them.

He didn't ask for a NTC fearing he was going to be moved from a successful team. This is what a NTC is for. To be used.

Like a LOT of people, Melo has decided he wants to decide where to work and live.

*I* enjoy that choice. Now I understand the NBA is a unique work environment, but he had the market power to ask for and get the simple right you and I have. I can't reasonably begrudge him that.

Melo is a Knick and getting paid near 30 mil a year. When he signed a near 30 mil a year contract, he signed up for his life to be public like this. He signed up for the scrutiny attached to a leadership role. Me as a forum guy talking to a bunch of idiot fans, not so much. It's downright weird you are trying to get personal with me.

You said you had a job with the team. Those were your exact words.

So that's out and out what you are saying. You've advocating personally attacking a player, advocating trying to make his playing environment miserable so he's motivated to leave, but despite your job/role with the team, you should be above scrutiny.

I have a hard time wrapping my head around that.

And I got attacked by Briggs yesterday. Not like a can't relate.

Are you ok?

It was rough but after some intense therapy I think I'll pull through.

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

He didn't ask for a NTC fearing he was going to be moved from a successful team. This is what a NTC is for. To be used.
Like a LOT of people, Melo has decided he wants to decide where to work and live.
*I* enjoy that choice. Now I understand the NBA is a unique work environment, but he had the market power to ask for and get the simple right you and I have. I can't reasonably begrudge him that.

Melo has a NTC and the Knicks cannot break that. However the Knicks can bench him if thats whats best for the team, which it might be at this point if he doesn't want to be moved.

Yup. That's within their rights. I'd have no issue with that.

I'll remind you I think the Knicks would be better off without Melo. I'm just not going to let that turn into bitterness and resentment and personal and inaccurate criticism, to Melo, to Jackson, to KP, to his brother, to anyone.

What? I never said I work with the team. Show me where I wrote that lol.

You wrote you had a job as a fan. You really disputing this?

You have a hard time wrapping your head around boo'ing a player that's hurting the franchise you root for?

I think it's stupid as ****, yes.

[Guess what? Over the years I've boo'd Eddy Curry,

Got all his money.

Stephon Marbury,

Got all his money.

Dolan and more.

Still here.

So what good has it done?

What's with defending Melo like he's your dad? I've already talked about my motivations as a Knick fan, what are your motivations as a Melo fan boy?

I'm not defending Melo at all. For a 4th time I'll tell you I wish he was not on the Knicks. I have not and will not defend his personal life/choices or his game.

I will defend his right to exercise the same choices to I enjoy that he was granted by the Knicks.

What I will defend is not treating anybody like objects just to piss all over, particularly as I know from experience "fans" HATE criticism.

You don't want to piss on melo but you have no heart for melo pissing all over the Knicks franchise and in turn millions of fans.

You say you aren't defending him yet you your position gives him more rights than any player in the league, like ever, despite being a career loser and malignant.

Your priorities are for melo over the knicks. Why?

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

He didn't ask for a NTC fearing he was going to be moved from a successful team. This is what a NTC is for. To be used.
Like a LOT of people, Melo has decided he wants to decide where to work and live.
*I* enjoy that choice. Now I understand the NBA is a unique work environment, but he had the market power to ask for and get the simple right you and I have. I can't reasonably begrudge him that.

Melo has a NTC and the Knicks cannot break that. However the Knicks can bench him if thats whats best for the team, which it might be at this point if he doesn't want to be moved.

Yup. That's within their rights. I'd have no issue with that.

I'll remind you I think the Knicks would be better off without Melo. I'm just not going to let that turn into bitterness and resentment and personal and inaccurate criticism, to Melo, to Jackson, to KP, to his brother, to anyone.

What? I never said I work with the team. Show me where I wrote that lol.

You wrote you had a job as a fan. You really disputing this?

You have a hard time wrapping your head around boo'ing a player that's hurting the franchise you root for?

I think it's stupid as ****, yes.

[Guess what? Over the years I've boo'd Eddy Curry,

Got all his money.

Stephon Marbury,

Got all his money.

Dolan and more.

Still here.

So what good has it done?

What's with defending Melo like he's your dad? I've already talked about my motivations as a Knick fan, what are your motivations as a Melo fan boy?

I'm not defending Melo at all. For a 4th time I'll tell you I wish he was not on the Knicks. I have not and will not defend his personal life/choices or his game.

I will defend his right to exercise the same choices to I enjoy that he was granted by the Knicks.

What I will defend is not treating anybody like objects just to piss all over, particularly as I know from experience "fans" HATE criticism.

You don't want to piss on melo but you have no heart for melo pissing all over the Knicks franchise and in turn millions of fans.

He hasn't. Melo owes me (or you) nothing.

It is not a relationship.

You say you aren't defending him yet you your position gives him more rights than any player in the league, like ever, despite being a career loser and malignant.

It is not "my position". His NTC clause does. I have nothing to with my his NTC other than recognize it exists for a purpose.

He asked for it, the Knicks gave it to him. That is a fact independent of my "position." I'm not going to change it.

My "position" is it's ridiculous to expect any professional athlete ever to put fan's desires before their own. I've learned through years of experience not to expect that, so I'm not going to whine year after year over something that isn't reasonably ever going to happen.

That's Einstein's definition of crazy.

Lebron left Cleveland. durant left OKC. Jeter retired a year two too late. Arod was suspended a year than had to be shown the door. JPP blew his hand off.

I do NOTHING for them and I don't expect anything in return.

Your priorities are for melo over the knicks. Why?

I don't get to have priorities. I'm just a fan. I WISH Melo was elsewhere, but I don't have a say. I can live with this because a.) it's true; and b.) see "a.)"

What I'm not going to do is whine because I can't get what I want. That's what I teach my kid NOT to do.

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:
He hasn't. Melo owes me (or you) nothing.

It is not a relationship.

Then from that point of view I don't owe Melo anything either.

Indeed.

I don't owe him my good will and I don't owe him cheers when he plays for the Knicks. I'd rather boo him because as a Knick fan, I consider him a net negative to the franchise for not moving on but besides that, we don't owe each other anything right?

I never said I don't respect your right to boo. In fact, I'd defend it to anyone who argued you don't have the right. .

But at the same time I question the maturity of those who do it beyond having a laugh here or there and the intelligence of anyone who thinks it has any effect on anything.

Your position stretches the power of his NTC. You are doing this while saying you are not defending Melo.

That is objectively wrong. He HAS a full no-trade clause. I have NOTHING to do with that whatsoever. Neither, btw, do you.

A NTC doesn't give him the power to dictate the direction of the franchise.

No one said it did.

It gives him to power to accept or reject any trade proposal at whim. That's it.

It doesn't Melo the power to dictate how many minutes Melo is played. It doesn't give Melo the power to dictate how he's used.

Nope, we 100% agree, he's at the Knicks whim on those. If you want Jackson and Hornachek to exercise that power more, your issue is with them.

With Melo's contract there's an implication that he will carry out managements orders no matter what they may be. In this case it's the triangle. Ball movement. Catch and shoot. How has Melo done carrying this out since he's been signed?

For the most part, nope.

He's the god damn leader on the floor for this franchise and he's been undermining management since he got his 200+ mil or whatever it was. Melo knows he has a NTC and has been abusive with it. Scummy guy.

Looks like you were just late to the party. That was his game before he got his new Knicks deal.

Your position is SUPER Melo friendly. You clearly support positions that empower Melo and weaken the Knicks.

Or reason, whichever term you prefer.

Are you a Knicks fan first and foremost?

No, I like basketball and I like the Knicks and I'm not a big fan of Melo's game, all at the same time. That's it. That's what I am.

You think you're in some kind of war and you have to declare a side and/or a position and even more you possess some ability to decide who is what.

And that's great of that does something for you.

But at the end of the day, Melo is a knicks, Melo will likely continue to play like Melo has always played and he has a NTC and a 2018-19 option, and NOTHING you have to say about him or me or who is or isn't a real fan is going to change that.

Knickoftime wrote:
Nope, we 100% agree, he's at the Knicks whim on those. If you want Jackson and Hornachek to exercise that power more, your issue is with them.

No you position doesn't stop there. You talk about how if the Knicks franchise benches him, it will be at great detriment to the Knicks because it's some sort of disrespectful move to Melo.

If we 100% agree then you have no problem sitting Melo all season if that's what management and coaching staff deem is best for the team.

And if it's gotten to that point it means Melo has made a real effort not to follow the game plan.

No, I like basketball and I like the Knicks and I'm not a big fan of Melo's game, all at the same time. That's it. That's what I am.

You think you're in some kind of war and you have to declare a side and/or a position and even more you possess some ability to decide who is what.

And that's great of that does something for you.

But at the end of the day, Melo is a knicks, Melo will likely continue to play like Melo has always played and he has a NTC and a 2018-19 option, and NOTHING you have to say about him or me or who is or isn't a real fan is going to change that.

It's just odd that your position is so supportive for Melo at the expense of the Knicks. You say one thing but the arguments you paint clearly put you on another side.

CrushAlot wrote:Stein reporting that Melo is trying to negotiate a buyout. Knicks are resisting.

We better not buy him out. He made us give away a ton of assets to get him so if he is going to another team we better be getting something in return. I would rather sit him than buy him out.

Knickoftime wrote:

Clean wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Stein reporting that Melo is trying to negotiate a buyout. Knicks are resisting.

We better not buy him out. He made us give away a ton of assets to get him so if he is going to another team we better be getting something in return. I would rather sit him than buy him out.

No, he didn't.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2014/08/retrospective-carmelo-anthony.html
The relevant section

"Anthony pushed for the trade during the 2010/11 season primarily because of the new CBA in the works that would reduce the maximum contract amount he would be able to re-sign for. With the labor agreement ending June 30th, 2011, and uncertainty surrounding what the next pact would look like, it was in Anthony’s best financial interests to sign an extension as part of an extend-and-trade transaction with the Knicks rather than wait for free agency."