Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:
He can't get more money from NY.

He gets more money as a result of NY buying him out. NY pays him his contract then some other team gives him a contract on top of the Knicks. He's a greedy MFer.

Not necessarily.

This is where you need to focus your anger and use tools available to you as opposed to shooting off theories.

There is something called a set-off. Now I'm not going to explain it to you, but it is in fact the default of the CBA. It can be waived, usually during a negotiated buyout, as opposed to release but I'm pretty sure you don't even know what it is.

It means a team releasing a player pays him LESS by a formulaic amount depending on the new contract he signs for.

Knicks cannot pay him more. Your premise is literally wrong.

What you meant is Melo can make more and, as a result the Knicks would almost certainly pay less.

The part I fault Melo for here then is his constant talking about how NY first he is and how much he wants to be here because he's a NYer. Another lie like when he said he was going to play within the triangle? Or how he posts workout videos every summer teasing that he won't be a fat fk during the season?

Stop listening to professional athletes try to downplay the money in public comments. More of them are telling white lies.

When you stop taking them seriously like I have, that problem is immediately solved.

We just got a fat scammer. No need to become totally jaded. There are players out there that care more about more than scamming NYers out of money. Just look at what our current champions are doing.

How much personal accolades Curry passed over for the betterment of his team and franchise.

Look how much KD risked. Imagine what he'd be facing if he lost because he values being a champion and winning.

When a man publicly makes a statement about his loyalties I hold him to it. He deserves criticisms if he doesn't follow through which is what he is doing now.

Right. You were wrong about making more money, so you just move on like it didn't happen. While you're spending time getting all worked up about "when a man publicly makes a statement," why don't you apply those standards to yourself and acknowledge you were posting out of your ass. But it's probably just OTHER people that have to stand behind their words, not you.

Okay, he deserves criticism.

And?

You didn't want to go more into it. You told me to do my own research. I know enough to know the different between buying out, waiving and trading. I know which are good for the Knicks and which cost the Knicks more money and assets.

Melo is making moves to get bought out and not revoke his NTC. That tells you all you need to know.

It will not cost the Knicks "more" money IF any of those things happen.

It will very likely cost them less and at worst cost them no more than he's contracted for.

Why can't you just acknowledge you were wrong?

If buying him out will save the Knicks money and won't cost them assets, whats the hold up?

It's not a question of "if". You're just stalling.

The obvious answer its Jun 26 and there is absolutely no reason to.

Do you need another?

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:
He can't get more money from NY.

He gets more money as a result of NY buying him out. NY pays him his contract then some other team gives him a contract on top of the Knicks. He's a greedy MFer.

Not necessarily.

This is where you need to focus your anger and use tools available to you as opposed to shooting off theories.

There is something called a set-off. Now I'm not going to explain it to you, but it is in fact the default of the CBA. It can be waived, usually during a negotiated buyout, as opposed to release but I'm pretty sure you don't even know what it is.

It means a team releasing a player pays him LESS by a formulaic amount depending on the new contract he signs for.

Knicks cannot pay him more. Your premise is literally wrong.

What you meant is Melo can make more and, as a result the Knicks would almost certainly pay less.

The part I fault Melo for here then is his constant talking about how NY first he is and how much he wants to be here because he's a NYer. Another lie like when he said he was going to play within the triangle? Or how he posts workout videos every summer teasing that he won't be a fat fk during the season?

Stop listening to professional athletes try to downplay the money in public comments. More of them are telling white lies.

When you stop taking them seriously like I have, that problem is immediately solved.

We just got a fat scammer. No need to become totally jaded. There are players out there that care more about more than scamming NYers out of money. Just look at what our current champions are doing.

How much personal accolades Curry passed over for the betterment of his team and franchise.

Look how much KD risked. Imagine what he'd be facing if he lost because he values being a champion and winning.

When a man publicly makes a statement about his loyalties I hold him to it. He deserves criticisms if he doesn't follow through which is what he is doing now.

Right. You were wrong about making more money, so you just move on like it didn't happen. While you're spending time getting all worked up about "when a man publicly makes a statement," why don't you apply those standards to yourself and acknowledge you were posting out of your ass. But it's probably just OTHER people that have to stand behind their words, not you.

Okay, he deserves criticism.

And?

You didn't want to go more into it. You told me to do my own research. I know enough to know the different between buying out, waiving and trading. I know which are good for the Knicks and which cost the Knicks more money and assets.

Melo is making moves to get bought out and not revoke his NTC. That tells you all you need to know.

It will not cost the Knicks "more" money IF any of those things happen.

It will very likely cost them less and at worst cost them no more than he's contracted for.

Why can't you just acknowledge you were wrong?

If buying him out will save the Knicks money and won't cost them assets, whats the hold up?

It's not a question of "if". You're just stalling.

The obvious answer its Jun 26 and there is absolutely no reason to.

Do you need another?

lol. Get a grip man. You're the one claiming to have the answers. So what are they? When the date comes we're definitely going to buy him out because that is easily the best and right move for the Knicks. Can I get that guarantee from Knickoftime?

Ideally you add a reason why this is so but my hopes are not high at this point.

Knickoftime wrote:
Souns more appropriately like a criticism of the teams who did, right?

For sure it's a criticism for how the Knicks treated him. They made a mistake. I did too. I was convinced Melo was going to change his game for the triangle as his career winded down. We were wrong.

What is fans "waking up" going to do?

Boo him out of NY unless he waives his NTC. I'll be booing him this season.

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:
Souns more appropriately like a criticism of the teams who did, right?

For sure it's a criticism for how the Knicks treated him. They made a mistake. I did too. I was convinced Melo was going to change his game for the triangle as his career winded down. We were wrong.

Would seem them a dose of humility and no finger-pointing would be a wise idea.

What is fans "waking up" going to do?

Boo him out of NY unless he waives his NTC. I'll be booing him this season.

So that's your entire point?

You're going to really stick it to the guy making $24m to play basketball with verbal gestures?

Knickoftime wrote:So that's your entire point?

You're going to really stick it to the guy making $24m to play basketball with verbal gestures?

Don't give me this is just basketball stuff. We're both on a forum here dissecting very specific points.

This is millions of dollars at stake and a franchise sport we all put a lot of time and energy into.

If Melo is going to be a selfish b*tch I'm going to boo him because I care about the Knicks. I know Melo cares about his reputation too. If he gets a chorus of boos it's going to hurt him.

Melo needs to take a shot right now. I understand why Phil's done it in public. Melo is very hard headed and needs to get the picture. More people need to get on him because he clearly has not gotten the message yet.

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:So that's your entire point?

You're going to really stick it to the guy making $24m to play basketball with verbal gestures?

Don't give me this is just basketball stuff. We're both on a forum here dissecting very specific points.

This is millions of dollars at stake and a franchise sport we all put a lot of time and energy into.

If Melo is going to be a selfish b*tch I'm going to boo him because I care about the Knicks. I know Melo cares about his reputation too. If he gets a chorus of boos it's going to hurt him.

Fan are powerless, they are observers, not participants. What you're discussing only matters to fan who don't know this.

Worse, you acknowledge you stuck up for him, maybe even defended him against people who felt that way about him sooner than you did. Now you're arguing with people who have not arrived at exactly what did exactly when you did.

Melo needs to take a shot right now. I understand why Phil's done it in public. Melo is very hard headed and needs to get the picture. More people need to get on him because he clearly has not gotten the message yet.

Been seeing tons of Melo criticism on message boards since the day he was traded here.

Only difference is now you've changed your mind, so you expect now to be the tipping point.

Briefly, this is really about you.

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:Alright I'm starting to understand the feeble argument you're trying to put forward. Let me explain this to you. You ever hear the term 'opportunity cost'?

When we signed Melo we are paying him for work he's expected to do. Because he is difficult personality to work with, he will not carry out managements game plan which hurts the Knicks. By hurting the Knicks he hurts the franchises wallet. He costs the Knicks in this regard. Then as he doesn't play, because he doesn't follow the game plan, it becomes more and more difficult to trade him away.

Eventually we'll have to pay him to leave. We won't have to pay him MORE but it will cost us more than if he were traded. And we are probably going to be rushed to do this because it's clear Melo isn't a good role model for our young players based on KPs behavior this past year.

Compare this all to the situation he was in with Denver where he made an effort to get traded. He will and has not do the same for the Knicks.

Except you didn't respond with any of this when I originally and simply responded to you that he can't get more money from the Knicks.

You replied simply "He gets more money as a result of NY buying him out. NY pays him his contract then some other team gives him a contract on top of the Knicks."

Pretty clear you meant exactly what you wrote. And it was and still is incorrect.

That's because you're playing semantics and I'm not.

jrodmc wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:Dude is all about his money and has been playing a PR game to snag more from NY.

He can't get more money from NY.

Keep in mind this is the guy that forced a trade to NY and in the process the Knicks gave up all their valuable assets.

No.

Melo doesn't bleed blue and orange.

No fan bleeds their team's colors. I've been on enough sports messages boards for enough teams for enough years to know fans bleed their own colors.

It's all about what they think and believe and what they want.

Nobody wants anything for a greater good. They want it for themselves.

+1 This

Another great, well thought out hate thread. Filled with idiotic "facts", the same rehash of how we got 'raped' in 'The Trade', with no thought to backing any of this up. Too bad you left out some Linlove and how much Pringles could have meant to the franchise.

Fanatics are exactly that. They are fans of your game when winning 54 games, and you're a selfish, me-first mangina when you're not. As stated, the most rabid, are usually first and foremost fans of their own thought process, and their accepted way of how they would run the universe.

Is anyone blind enough to continue posting pointless hate rants, regurgitating the same vomit over and over, and hoping for different outcome?

Don't buy him out, that costs money. But bench him, that doesn't cost money. That just pays him $27 million to sit on his couch.

Truly brilliant.

Some more thread ideas:
1) Fat Melo. He's fat! Include lots of pictures.
2) Stupid Hat Melo. Easy.
3) Cancer Melo. Make sure you don't accidentally include any links to pre-season PR minicamps.
4) Rape case Melo. Oh wait, wrong mangina.
5) Suspended Melo. Oops, wrong guy again.
6) Teammates secretly hate Melo in their hearts. This might be tricky, but give it a try.
7) Can't Won't Doesn't Play Defense Melo. This is a hallmark, and really can't be overstated. Try to start at least 3 of these at once. martin or Andrew may only care enough to lock one of them.

U2 bitch you are the worst. I should out u btch but I'm not a punk. That little ***** may have coward to your safety patrol lucky it wasn't me I wouldn't care. To bad Oakley didn't get to u

Sinix wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:Alright I'm starting to understand the feeble argument you're trying to put forward. Let me explain this to you. You ever hear the term 'opportunity cost'?

When we signed Melo we are paying him for work he's expected to do. Because he is difficult personality to work with, he will not carry out managements game plan which hurts the Knicks. By hurting the Knicks he hurts the franchises wallet. He costs the Knicks in this regard. Then as he doesn't play, because he doesn't follow the game plan, it becomes more and more difficult to trade him away.

Eventually we'll have to pay him to leave. We won't have to pay him MORE but it will cost us more than if he were traded. And we are probably going to be rushed to do this because it's clear Melo isn't a good role model for our young players based on KPs behavior this past year.

Compare this all to the situation he was in with Denver where he made an effort to get traded. He will and has not do the same for the Knicks.

Except you didn't respond with any of this when I originally and simply responded to you that he can't get more money from the Knicks.

You replied simply "He gets more money as a result of NY buying him out. NY pays him his contract then some other team gives him a contract on top of the Knicks."

Pretty clear you meant exactly what you wrote. And it was and still is incorrect.

That's because you're playing semantics and I'm not.

No.

You said it would cost the Knicks more money. I briefly explained why that's literally impossible. All you had to do was say "okay, thanks, I didn't know that" Instead You've gone to great lengths to explain the indirect meaning of what you wrote.

THAT's semnatics.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:Dude is all about his money and has been playing a PR game to snag more from NY.

He can't get more money from NY.

Keep in mind this is the guy that forced a trade to NY and in the process the Knicks gave up all their valuable assets.

No.

Melo doesn't bleed blue and orange.

No fan bleeds their team's colors. I've been on enough sports messages boards for enough teams for enough years to know fans bleed their own colors.

It's all about what they think and believe and what they want.

Nobody wants anything for a greater good. They want it for themselves.

What a fcking dick you are. Yeah I know who you are by the way Mr Princeton. Don't tell fans anything you fcking pos. I have never been aggressive ever on these message boards for 15 years but I'd love for you to say it to my face. And I bet a lot you'd be fcking surprised arsehole. Same thing with Dolan banning that fan-- he only did it because he had protection. STFU

I have no interest in responding to this in kind. Martin can attest to your false claim.

If you are, however, interested in discussing the virtues of Frank Kaminsky, I'd look forward to that.

knicks1248 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Sinix wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:WHOA! This was rough. I don't know if Melo wants to leave. I know he LOVES it here in NY and I think he's too comfortable. Still if he was to return to how he played as DadMelo the previous year then I'd have no problem at all with Melo staying. It's really just about him BUYING IN as Phil has been asking. That's it.

I think he would return to DadMelo if Rose is let go. There was an article awhile back about how Rose's presence killed DadMelo. Unfortunately, exit meetings are very important with the Pres. Phil was impressed with Rose's exit meeting and if you believe Charlie Rosen, Phil will try to bring Rose back.

think about it... imagine Melo explaining that. How would he? "With Derrick gone I can now go back to playing fundamentally sound basketball...." that's nuts.

The only thing I could see is something personal come from him. Like admitting that while going through a terrible year on the domestic front it was tough to be ready and focused night after night despite being in good physical shape. That I could see... Melo then says "regardless of team direction I am here to play hard do what I can for the NY Knicks..."

something like that *might* float. But man... when folks talk about Melo and the major down tick his game took last year the excuses are impressive reaches

When you look back at Melos career as a whole it really isn't that impressive compared to other HOFers. There's countless amounts of guys who have had many all star appearances and only 1 WCF appearance. It's not that special in the grand scheme of the NBA. Yet Melo has had so many excuses, large contracts and teams catered to him over the years. Not just 1 or 2 years. Melo's had over a decade of teams built for him.

What other player, in the history of the NBA, has wielded so much power to kick coaches and players off the team yet only made it to a conference finals once and lost?

What coach did melo get fired?

George karl has been fired from every coaching job he's had without melo, phil never gave woodson a shot, and melo had zero to do with fisher getting wack, MDA needs a PG, not a ball dominating sf.. he's a 10x all star..

Im not a melo fan at all, but your arguments trying to discredit his career are weak as hell, and screams of just hate, with no merit.

you can't come to grips with the weak ass support that phil brought in to so call help..baker, sasha, randle..wtf is that

Which coach did he get fired.... better question is, which of his coaches did he actually get along with?

He point blank got MDA fired because he didn't want to pass the ball. MDA just won coach of the year by getting his current star to buy into the system that Melo wouldn't. Now Melo is pulling the SAME EXACT THING with the triangle.

What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Was D'Antoni's contract up at the end of the season making him a lame duck? Did the new gm hire his successor and make him associate head coach in charge of defense? Did the new gm amnesty his point guard to add a defensive center and go with a more traditional roster? Did D'Antoni resign and get paid the rest of the money owed him on his contract?

Why are you complicating this? D'antoni told Dolan point blank he couldn't work with Melo anymore.

“Anthony said the team needed to choose between him and D’Antoni.”

“I just went in and quit,” D’Antoni said.

This is the second time in two years D’Antoni has placed the blame on Anthony for sabotaging his coaching in New York, claiming on a podcast with The Vertical last summer that players held resentment toward Jeremy Lin and he couldn’t get Anthony to move to power forward to accommodate the point guard.

The excuses people make for Melo is unreal. No other player has ever been so unaccomplished and has so many excuses attached.

Funny how MDA was getting ripped apart because he didn't coach a lick of defense, now your defending him because of your hate for melo..cmon dude..woodson, fisher, and JH don't have a problem with melo.

How many players have came out this yr and said the coaching staff had a different system every other game and it was a ball of confusion, Rose, kp, Melo, Jennings, do you take things like that into consideration?

I'll be 100% honest, I wanted D'antoni gone at the time and I was a huge Melo fan.

I believed that was the right move at the time and based on the information we had at the time, I wouldn't kill myself for making that call.

Now we have to look at that judgement based on information we've received since 2012. We see what Melo has done. We've seen what D'antoni has done. D'antoni just won COTY. Melo is floundering with the same problems he had with D'antoni.

I was and we were wrong. Melo was the problem all along, not D'antoni. I'll be the first one to say I made the wrong judgement then.

I don't just hate Melo just because. He hurt me through his actions related to the Knicks. I was a big Melo fan once. I want what's best for the Knicks. If that coincides with good things for Melo then that's great for all of us. If Melo's fortunes get in the way of the Knicks I side with the Knicks 100% of the time.