Same with Monk. He is in a great spot with the Hornets. With Walker and Batum he can just come in and drop buckets in an identified role. Rather then having to come to NY and try to make him a PG. Role player on a possible playoff team over being looked at as a main piece on a rebuilding team.

Players that can score come into the league every yr. Its not hard to add players who can score as long as you have your draft picks. Building a team of unselfish professionals who are willing to sacrifice, do the dirty work, play defense, guard multiple positions, but can also knock down 3s, put the ball on the floor, create for others. You want to add a Smith and Monk to a team that has already been successful within that culture. Because they will either conform and elevate themselves to fit in the culture. Or add the go to scoring elements that compliment the team.

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:Fran Fraschilla said that Fran is neither a pure pg nor a shooting guard. After watching more film on Frank, I think in order for him to reach his full potential and be a legit starter in this league, I think he needs to be groomed as a point. 6'5 is big for a pg, not so much as a shooting guard specially at 170...Below is a clip I found of him running the point and for the most part, running exclusive PNR...If he can play the point and more importantly defend pg's, he has a chance to be a starter in this league....

while this video is vs. his peers this shows a few things. 1) that athletically he is most certainly an NBA athlete and above average there at worst. 2) he most certainly can be a lead guard with a killer instinct. It was that which put him on the map in the first place 3) he's been playing among men and his job is to defend and play mistake free BB

This board is funny...

"Phil has drafted well... look at KP and Willy."
- those are Gaine's picks

"The same staff that scouted KP and Willy picked Ntilikina"
- Phil has phucked up this draft by not taking Dennis Smith

Admittedly, I was one of the main ones venting about selecting Frank over Smith. I still feel like Smith is a better prospect and that if the Knicks were zeroing in on Frank, they probably could have traded back, picked up an asset and select Frank a few picks later. But, Frank is a Knick now, so its time to move forward and hope that he can flourish here.

This. Phil has done well in the past but that doesn't make him or his scouting team God. I just hope Ntilikina can blossom soon and hopefully turn into George Hill.

I take solace in the fact that Nitty has already improved considerably since those games in the videos. The kid has a great work ethic. No he's not the elite explosive player that others in the draft are but his IQ is higher and his D should be top of class. He's a perfect fit in the Triangle as well. Finally HE WILL LISTEN and not buck the system!!! That was likely a HUGE factor for Phil.

yea lets see on the bold. His challenges are athletic. He can do anything there he tries. I think his "lack of explosiveness" is way overblown. He plays tentative and considering his role that is not a negative. When the reigns are let loose a bit I am pretty sure there is another gear there. Keep looking...

It might be overblown, but he does not seem not THAT quick.

The scouts kept stating...he's more "fluid" than quick. The weaknesses video on DraftExpress shows some issues with creating off the dribble, and for a lead guard his handle and decision making while under pressure is something that must improve if he has any chance of being an NBA level guard, none-the-less, PG.

I'm generally cool with the pick, but I think his weaknesses are fairly glaring for a lottery pick for a player at his position. It's his age along with his strengths, and huge leap in improvement over the past year that has put him there, it seems. I think all that combined is why it's a riskier selection than KP or Willy based on their comparable draft positions.

PresIke wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:Fran Fraschilla said that Fran is neither a pure pg nor a shooting guard. After watching more film on Frank, I think in order for him to reach his full potential and be a legit starter in this league, I think he needs to be groomed as a point. 6'5 is big for a pg, not so much as a shooting guard specially at 170...Below is a clip I found of him running the point and for the most part, running exclusive PNR...If he can play the point and more importantly defend pg's, he has a chance to be a starter in this league....

while this video is vs. his peers this shows a few things. 1) that athletically he is most certainly an NBA athlete and above average there at worst. 2) he most certainly can be a lead guard with a killer instinct. It was that which put him on the map in the first place 3) he's been playing among men and his job is to defend and play mistake free BB

This board is funny...

"Phil has drafted well... look at KP and Willy."
- those are Gaine's picks

"The same staff that scouted KP and Willy picked Ntilikina"
- Phil has phucked up this draft by not taking Dennis Smith

Admittedly, I was one of the main ones venting about selecting Frank over Smith. I still feel like Smith is a better prospect and that if the Knicks were zeroing in on Frank, they probably could have traded back, picked up an asset and select Frank a few picks later. But, Frank is a Knick now, so its time to move forward and hope that he can flourish here.

This. Phil has done well in the past but that doesn't make him or his scouting team God. I just hope Ntilikina can blossom soon and hopefully turn into George Hill.

I take solace in the fact that Nitty has already improved considerably since those games in the videos. The kid has a great work ethic. No he's not the elite explosive player that others in the draft are but his IQ is higher and his D should be top of class. He's a perfect fit in the Triangle as well. Finally HE WILL LISTEN and not buck the system!!! That was likely a HUGE factor for Phil.

yea lets see on the bold. His challenges are athletic. He can do anything there he tries. I think his "lack of explosiveness" is way overblown. He plays tentative and considering his role that is not a negative. When the reigns are let loose a bit I am pretty sure there is another gear there. Keep looking...

It might be overblown, but he does not seem not THAT quick.

The scouts kept stating...he's more "fluid" than quick. The weaknesses video on DraftExpress shows some issues with creating off the dribble, and for a lead guard his handle and decision making while under pressure is something that must improve if he has any chance of being an NBA level guard, none-the-less, PG.

I'm generally cool with the pick, but I think his weaknesses are fairly glaring for a lottery pick for a player at his position. It's his age along with his strengths, and huge leap in improvement over the past year that has put him there, it seems. I think all that combined is why it's a riskier selection than KP or Willy based on their comparable draft positions.

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Well that's good to hear. I won't claim to know more than Gaines, Wilson or Brickley when it comes to projecting this kid's potential. I just hope he surprises all of us and shows this great talent for the Knicks. We NEED that kind of good fortune like with KP and Willy. I would love for Brickley to do a breakdown of what he sees in Nitty.

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Frank would be a college freshman this fall....think about that and already 4 years of professional experience/training.

Franks game reminds me of Clyde when he 1st entered the league -- he was a big combo guard...not necessarily a pure PG who was primarily a defender 1st and Clyde was never a pure blow by you guy with the ball. Franks intangibles remind me of Clyde as well....quiet but team first and not looking for all the glory.

Feel very comfortable with Frankie.

newyorker4ever wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:Fran Fraschilla said that Fran is neither a pure pg nor a shooting guard. After watching more film on Frank, I think in order for him to reach his full potential and be a legit starter in this league, I think he needs to be groomed as a point. 6'5 is big for a pg, not so much as a shooting guard specially at 170...Below is a clip I found of him running the point and for the most part, running exclusive PNR...If he can play the point and more importantly defend pg's, he has a chance to be a starter in this league....

while this video is vs. his peers this shows a few things. 1) that athletically he is most certainly an NBA athlete and above average there at worst. 2) he most certainly can be a lead guard with a killer instinct. It was that which put him on the map in the first place 3) he's been playing among men and his job is to defend and play mistake free BB

This board is funny...

"Phil has drafted well... look at KP and Willy."
- those are Gaine's picks

"The same staff that scouted KP and Willy picked Ntilikina"
- Phil has phucked up this draft by not taking Dennis Smith

Admittedly, I was one of the main ones venting about selecting Frank over Smith. I still feel like Smith is a better prospect and that if the Knicks were zeroing in on Frank, they probably could have traded back, picked up an asset and select Frank a few picks later. But, Frank is a Knick now, so its time to move forward and hope that he can flourish here.

This. Phil has done well in the past but that doesn't make him or his scouting team God. I just hope Ntilikina can blossom soon and hopefully turn into George Hill.

G.Hill is the guy i've been comparing him to and hoping he can become in the NBA. I was actually hoping we could get G.Hill in free agency.

He's been on my list for a while. Would be a dream but if we do he'd cost nice a bit.

Jmpasq wrote:

TPercy wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

TPercy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:Fran Fraschilla said that Fran is neither a pure pg nor a shooting guard. After watching more film on Frank, I think in order for him to reach his full potential and be a legit starter in this league, I think he needs to be groomed as a point. 6'5 is big for a pg, not so much as a shooting guard specially at 170...Below is a clip I found of him running the point and for the most part, running exclusive PNR...If he can play the point and more importantly defend pg's, he has a chance to be a starter in this league....

while this video is vs. his peers this shows a few things. 1) that athletically he is most certainly an NBA athlete and above average there at worst. 2) he most certainly can be a lead guard with a killer instinct. It was that which put him on the map in the first place 3) he's been playing among men and his job is to defend and play mistake free BB

This board is funny...

"Phil has drafted well... look at KP and Willy."
- those are Gaine's picks

"The same staff that scouted KP and Willy picked Ntilikina"
- Phil has phucked up this draft by not taking Dennis Smith

Admittedly, I was one of the main ones venting about selecting Frank over Smith. I still feel like Smith is a better prospect and that if the Knicks were zeroing in on Frank, they probably could have traded back, picked up an asset and select Frank a few picks later. But, Frank is a Knick now, so its time to move forward and hope that he can flourish here.

This. Phil has done well in the past but that doesn't make him or his scouting team God. I just hope Ntilikina can blossom soon and hopefully turn into George Hill.

God.. no, but how about benefit of the doubt?

Frank is a gym rat, has a good family and support and is a winner. He's shown he can play with pros, fit in as an 18 year old and have an impact playing a role. Before playing that role he took over the U18 and established himself as the best prospect in EU. People act like Smith is a sure thing in Frank is a total mystery. Simply not the case.

Not that Frank is a total mystery but that Smith would provide better long term and short term prospect down the line. From everything I've seen and resaerched, DSJ is the prototypical PG who kills defenses in many ways,takes a chunk of the scoring and has plenty defensive upside. He ticks more boxes than Frank. Nevertheless I could be very wrong and Frank ends up being perfect for us and given Phil's record with foreign players I probably am.

C'mon DSJ has very little defensive upside. Now you are just making crap up. He has short arms and hasn't really shown any desire to expend himself on the defensive side. Probably if you did compare all "these boxes" of these 2 players, Frankie would check off more boxes--passing, shooting, defense, team player. DSJ gets more athletic, better penetrator..

I'm not making anything up. He moves his feet very well when locked in and he uses his strength to fight through screens. There was an analysis video by NBAEstein that confirmed that.
Frank is not a proven better passer than Dsj either, noe you are making crap up.

Look, bottom line is that this a guards league where you must have a guard who can break down defenses in a variety of ways regardless of the system especially as a ball handler in PnR. And with the Knicks needing a scorer with Rose gone and Memo declining, DSJ is better equipped to help us in that regard.

This kid can't create off the dribble, at least he has a nice jumper and he can defend at a high level.

He would be a college freshman NEXT season so he has time to improve on things. His defense is real and unrelenting and his shot and grace excellent already.

Case and point: Frank woke up Thursday morning to work out at a midtown gym, mere hours before the draft.

The work ethic is real.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Does anyone else think he moves slowly ? His crossover and moves are against slower players. That's my # 1 concern. He may not be able to get his own shot off

He's not a beat you off the dribble, drive and score PG.
He's more of a come off a screen or motion, pull up.
Get a screen on ball set and then drive, look to pass or score.
Looks to set up the offense.
Push the ball in transition.

In a way I think he's got Rondo potential with a better jumpshot.

This would be best case scenario which would be a real nice player

Rondo was a great rebounder though. I havent really seen Frank get after the boards which he needs to change given his length.

In some of the videos out there he's seen fighting hard for boards and competing with 3's and 4's. I think he'll be a helluva rebounder at 1-2.