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GoNyGoNyGo
Posts: 23559 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/29/2003 Member: #411 USA |
6/23/2017 3:11 PM
SAS was wrong about KP too.
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BigRedDog
Posts: 22118 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 1/23/2004 Member: #569 |
6/23/2017 7:11 PM
TPercy wrote:fishmike wrote:TPercy wrote:God.. no, but how about benefit of the doubt?Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:Uptown wrote:Fran Fraschilla said that Fran is neither a pure pg nor a shooting guard. After watching more film on Frank, I think in order for him to reach his full potential and be a legit starter in this league, I think he needs to be groomed as a point. 6'5 is big for a pg, not so much as a shooting guard specially at 170...Below is a clip I found of him running the point and for the most part, running exclusive PNR...If he can play the point and more importantly defend pg's, he has a chance to be a starter in this league....while this video is vs. his peers this shows a few things. 1) that athletically he is most certainly an NBA athlete and above average there at worst. 2) he most certainly can be a lead guard with a killer instinct. It was that which put him on the map in the first place 3) he's been playing among men and his job is to defend and play mistake free BB C'mon DSJ has very little defensive upside. Now you are just making crap up. He has short arms and hasn't really shown any desire to expend himself on the defensive side. Probably if you did compare all "these boxes" of these 2 players, Frankie would check off more boxes--passing, shooting, defense, team player. DSJ gets more athletic, better penetrator.. Briggs-- Frank is 2 yrs away from being 2 years away
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fishmike
Posts: 53117 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
6/23/2017 7:34 PM
BigRedDog wrote:exactly. Smith is a scorer and a ball handler. There are no boxes to check for defense and guys with knee operations always get a check box for that also. Smith also shows no court vision. He is a fantastic scorer who like Marbury could get any shot. His passes were always good because he drew so much attention so any ball movement off that is going to a plus. Thats it. Other check boxes are not the positive ones. I liked DS but to say its some given he's the better prospect doesnt have much basis in reality.TPercy wrote:fishmike wrote:TPercy wrote:God.. no, but how about benefit of the doubt?Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:Uptown wrote:Fran Fraschilla said that Fran is neither a pure pg nor a shooting guard. After watching more film on Frank, I think in order for him to reach his full potential and be a legit starter in this league, I think he needs to be groomed as a point. 6'5 is big for a pg, not so much as a shooting guard specially at 170...Below is a clip I found of him running the point and for the most part, running exclusive PNR...If he can play the point and more importantly defend pg's, he has a chance to be a starter in this league....while this video is vs. his peers this shows a few things. 1) that athletically he is most certainly an NBA athlete and above average there at worst. 2) he most certainly can be a lead guard with a killer instinct. It was that which put him on the map in the first place 3) he's been playing among men and his job is to defend and play mistake free BB "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Paris907
Posts: 21146 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/4/2015 Member: #6099 USA |
6/23/2017 8:03 PM
Does anyone else think he moves slowly ? His crossover and moves are against slower players. That's my # 1 concern. He may not be able to get his own shot off
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 29859 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
6/23/2017 9:15 PM
Whats the rate of euros that enter the league compared to Americans? Within this draft alone there were 7 euros drafted out of 60 players taken actually 6 because Ferguson is American. Last yr was 16 out of 60, the year before 13 out of 60. Out of those some of them will stay in Europe and never even come to the NBA.
Euros doesn't produce the amount of players America does. So their players all have to be superstars in order to make up for the smaller amount of players they produce. Using the same flawed logic, there will be more American bust in total out of this draft then Euro bust. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27186 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
6/23/2017 9:22 PM LAST EDITED: 6/23/2017 9:28 PM
fishmike wrote:BigRedDog wrote:exactly. Smith is a scorer and a ball handler. There are no boxes to check for defense and guys with knee operations always get a check box for that also. Smith also shows no court vision. He is a fantastic scorer who like Marbury could get any shot. His passes were always good because he drew so much attention so any ball movement off that is going to a plus. Thats it. Other check boxes are not the positive ones. I liked DS but to say its some given he's the better prospect doesnt have much basis in reality.TPercy wrote:fishmike wrote:TPercy wrote:God.. no, but how about benefit of the doubt?Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:Uptown wrote:Fran Fraschilla said that Fran is neither a pure pg nor a shooting guard. After watching more film on Frank, I think in order for him to reach his full potential and be a legit starter in this league, I think he needs to be groomed as a point. 6'5 is big for a pg, not so much as a shooting guard specially at 170...Below is a clip I found of him running the point and for the most part, running exclusive PNR...If he can play the point and more importantly defend pg's, he has a chance to be a starter in this league....while this video is vs. his peers this shows a few things. 1) that athletically he is most certainly an NBA athlete and above average there at worst. 2) he most certainly can be a lead guard with a killer instinct. It was that which put him on the map in the first place 3) he's been playing among men and his job is to defend and play mistake free BB Pinned! Come on Fish? I guess all those involved in USA basketball who thinks DS is a top prospect and future star is not living in reality. At least not UK reality. The only unrealistic reality is thinking this was a better talent pick and not a Triangle pick. Which fair enough, Presidents pick their own road map, but why not trade down and get two of those Triangle picks and not just one? As everyone else in the world prefers talent over Triangle fit. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 29859 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
6/23/2017 9:52 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:BigRedDog wrote:exactly. Smith is a scorer and a ball handler. There are no boxes to check for defense and guys with knee operations always get a check box for that also. Smith also shows no court vision. He is a fantastic scorer who like Marbury could get any shot. His passes were always good because he drew so much attention so any ball movement off that is going to a plus. Thats it. Other check boxes are not the positive ones. I liked DS but to say its some given he's the better prospect doesnt have much basis in reality.TPercy wrote:fishmike wrote:TPercy wrote:God.. no, but how about benefit of the doubt?Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:Uptown wrote:Fran Fraschilla said that Fran is neither a pure pg nor a shooting guard. After watching more film on Frank, I think in order for him to reach his full potential and be a legit starter in this league, I think he needs to be groomed as a point. 6'5 is big for a pg, not so much as a shooting guard specially at 170...Below is a clip I found of him running the point and for the most part, running exclusive PNR...If he can play the point and more importantly defend pg's, he has a chance to be a starter in this league....while this video is vs. his peers this shows a few things. 1) that athletically he is most certainly an NBA athlete and above average there at worst. 2) he most certainly can be a lead guard with a killer instinct. It was that which put him on the map in the first place 3) he's been playing among men and his job is to defend and play mistake free BB I think they view Frank as a really talented prospect, as well as a system fit. He was projected in the lottery in this draft for a reason. If he was only viewed as a project and/or a low ceiling player then he would be like Ferguson, Hartensten, Bolden, Lessort be projected and selected in the mid first round to 2nd round. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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blkexec
Posts: 27816 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/3/2004 Member: #748 |
6/23/2017 11:14 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:BigRedDog wrote:exactly. Smith is a scorer and a ball handler. There are no boxes to check for defense and guys with knee operations always get a check box for that also. Smith also shows no court vision. He is a fantastic scorer who like Marbury could get any shot. His passes were always good because he drew so much attention so any ball movement off that is going to a plus. Thats it. Other check boxes are not the positive ones. I liked DS but to say its some given he's the better prospect doesnt have much basis in reality.TPercy wrote:fishmike wrote:TPercy wrote:God.. no, but how about benefit of the doubt?Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:Uptown wrote:Fran Fraschilla said that Fran is neither a pure pg nor a shooting guard. After watching more film on Frank, I think in order for him to reach his full potential and be a legit starter in this league, I think he needs to be groomed as a point. 6'5 is big for a pg, not so much as a shooting guard specially at 170...Below is a clip I found of him running the point and for the most part, running exclusive PNR...If he can play the point and more importantly defend pg's, he has a chance to be a starter in this league....while this video is vs. his peers this shows a few things. 1) that athletically he is most certainly an NBA athlete and above average there at worst. 2) he most certainly can be a lead guard with a killer instinct. It was that which put him on the map in the first place 3) he's been playing among men and his job is to defend and play mistake free BB It didn't matter who we pick....couldve been Jesus. Until we develop a winning culture like the spurs, there's always a group of knick fans complaining. and I don't blame them...we sucked so long, its very common to have a lack of confidence in your team. But in order to build a winning franchise, u have to add enough glue guys to form your structure.....and then u take a chance on a young kobe or potential MJ. Phil took the sure route....and added a player he knew would contribute. Most scoring guards .....especially under sized....will do more hurt than help. they only impact the game with scoring....and too selfish to work on team ball and lead a team of grown men. instead they come in with a selfish agenda.... I've always give Phil credit was making the best decision...not always the most popular one. only Phil has the ego for that. Born in Brooklyn, Raised in Queens, Lives in Maryland.
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nyknickzingis
Posts: 23029 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/8/2015 Member: #6207 |
6/24/2017 12:15 AM
Paris907 wrote:Does anyone else think he moves slowly ? His crossover and moves are against slower players. That's my # 1 concern. He may not be able to get his own shot off He's not a beat you off the dribble, drive and score PG. He's more of a come off a screen or motion, pull up. Get a screen on ball set and then drive, look to pass or score. Looks to set up the offense. Push the ball in transition. In a way I think he's got Rondo potential with a better jumpshot. |
BigDaddyG
Posts: 37500 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
6/24/2017 12:53 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:Paris907 wrote:Does anyone else think he moves slowly ? His crossover and moves are against slower players. That's my # 1 concern. He may not be able to get his own shot off He plays at his own pace. Plus, he'll be able to get his shot off with his size alone. Think of guys like Sam Cassell, Jrue Holiday, Derrick Harper etc. Don't get caught up with crossovers. All a crossover is designed to do is get you from point A to point B. Mark Jackson never had a crossover and he was able to manuever wherever he needed. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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DJMUSIC
Posts: 22827 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/30/2007 Member: #1283 |
6/24/2017 2:48 AM
Nalod wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:Jmpasq wrote:nixluva wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:Give me a name of euro player's?
anyhow I am going to get soft on my complaining since ..Phil has not only ticked off me but other knick fans cause of The France kid is good natured smart kid Horrible.. I like the SG drafted from teams But I dont see alot of the Knick philosophy other than STUFFING TRIANGLE OFFENSE DOWN Ny fans throats. Good luck ! to us Turntable Musiclover & Mix-Master-ologist
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Paris907
Posts: 21146 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/4/2015 Member: #6099 USA |
6/24/2017 7:12 AM
Smith will be a 22 ppg scorer, and Momk too will fill it up and perhaps without the need of the ball in his hand excessively. 'Kina to me looks slow ... it could be me ...I like the stroke but it looks slow as well. If in 3 years he averages 16.5ppg and is a starter I guess that's good. Yet D Smith and Momk are aggressive scorers in a league where we just saw the NBA finals with scores in the 130s (like the ABA days)... I've defenses Phil and hate the media. He's a contrarian but I hope it's not for contrarian sake. Has the game passed Phil by? Is the triangle dead? Is respect too much to ask. Maybe Phil is picking young European players he believes he can "control" and that won't be tainted by social media and other Brash non conforming (i.e. Melo) type of players. That's from an article I read yesterday and frankly objectively thought it might have merit. I'd obviously want to see Phil succeed but in this his 4th year he's ostracized the media, Melo and now Porzingis. I'll be keen to see how he's gonna mend fences.
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
6/24/2017 10:26 AM
TPercy wrote:Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:Uptown wrote:Fran Fraschilla said that Fran is neither a pure pg nor a shooting guard. After watching more film on Frank, I think in order for him to reach his full potential and be a legit starter in this league, I think he needs to be groomed as a point. 6'5 is big for a pg, not so much as a shooting guard specially at 170...Below is a clip I found of him running the point and for the most part, running exclusive PNR...If he can play the point and more importantly defend pg's, he has a chance to be a starter in this league....while this video is vs. his peers this shows a few things. 1) that athletically he is most certainly an NBA athlete and above average there at worst. 2) he most certainly can be a lead guard with a killer instinct. It was that which put him on the map in the first place 3) he's been playing among men and his job is to defend and play mistake free BB G.Hill is the guy i've been comparing him to and hoping he can become in the NBA. I was actually hoping we could get G.Hill in free agency. |
Jmpasq
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6/24/2017 11:38 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:Paris907 wrote:Does anyone else think he moves slowly ? His crossover and moves are against slower players. That's my # 1 concern. He may not be able to get his own shot off This would be best case scenario which would be a real nice player Check out My NFL Draft Prospect Videos at Youtube User Pages Jmpasq,JPdraftjedi,Jmpasqdraftjedi. www.Draftbreakdown.com
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Jmpasq
Posts: 25242 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/10/2012 Member: #4182 |
6/24/2017 11:41 AM
Paris907 wrote:Smith will be a 22 ppg scorer, and Momk too will fill it up and perhaps without the need of the ball in his hand excessively. 'Kina to me looks slow ... it could be me ...I like the stroke but it looks slow as well. If in 3 years he averages 16.5ppg and is a starter I guess that's good. Yet D Smith and Momk are aggressive scorers in a league where we just saw the NBA finals with scores in the 130s (like the ABA days)... I've defenses Phil and hate the media. He's a contrarian but I hope it's not for contrarian sake. Has the game passed Phil by? Is the triangle dead? Is respect too much to ask. Maybe Phil is picking young European players he believes he can "control" and that won't be tainted by social media and other Brash non conforming (i.e. Melo) type of players. That's from an article I read yesterday and frankly objectively thought it might have merit. I'd obviously want to see Phil succeed but in this his 4th year he's ostracized the media, Melo and now Porzingis. I'll be keen to see how he's gonna mend fences. He may be off on the Euro control theory considering Porzingis has broke new grounds in terms of me first NBA players Check out My NFL Draft Prospect Videos at Youtube User Pages Jmpasq,JPdraftjedi,Jmpasqdraftjedi. www.Draftbreakdown.com
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 29859 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
6/24/2017 11:50 AM
Jmpasq wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Paris907 wrote:Does anyone else think he moves slowly ? His crossover and moves are against slower players. That's my # 1 concern. He may not be able to get his own shot off Rondo was a great rebounder though. I havent really seen Frank get after the boards which he needs to change given his length. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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