martin wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:who?

exactly

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Berman of the post cleared the air. Longstaff was fired long before this. Before KP skipped the meeting. Completely changes the narrative.

Link: http://nypost.com/2017/05/23/the-real-reason-behind-firing-of-a-kristaps-porzingis-favorite/

Perhaps this was part of KP's little hissy fit at exit meeting time? Not Phil being vindictive as some of you would liked?
Whats next? "Concession hot dog vender "Mike the hot dawg guy" was moved fem the lower lodge seating to the blue seats, in what is an obvious move by phil to continue to disrupt KP's pre game routine of waving to him........."
or....
"In an obvious move to shake up the culture of the garden, Lorenzo smith, one of the security guards in the parking area in the service tunnel got a new job in queens. Some garden staffers think it was a deliberate snub by phil as he did not match the raise he received. An ananomous source said "No man, "Renzo lives in queens, its like 10 minutes from his apartment and he gets to spend more time with is new baby girl!". The security guard was friendly with many of the players, including Melo who usually kept a good parking spot for him. With Lorenzo gone, its not sure if Melo will lift his NTC. Just another example of Phil being short sighted?

I actually think it may have factored into KP skipping the meeting. He clearly wouldn't agree with this. But it makes perfect sense that it happened long before it was reported.

wargames wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

wargames wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

wargames wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

wargames wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

wargames wrote:

mlby1215 wrote: In reading this, I　found it that the trust people have is very low. Everything good happened, like Willy, Baker, Lance and Gallo, must not relate to Phil and/or Rambis. It must be someone else. And everything bad must be Phil and/or Rambis. I mean, it is silly. Rambis has four champs. As a player he won 2, and as assistant coach won 2. He sucked because the Twolf he coached was really bad? or because of 9-21 when he was Knicks coach? I don't really get that. If win/loss can really reflect how good a coach is, then Mike Brown must be genius. Look at GSW now.

No, Rambis is notorious for being a bad coach. Also A lot of players including KP seemed to really not like him. This was leaked by multiple sources as the last two seasons have happened.

With that said I don't know what this has to do with KP..... but its definitely more smoke pointing to internal problems. Usually when there is a player on your team you value highly you keep their assistant coach. You could argue that they had always intended to let his contract expire..... but the why sent him to Latvia of all places to train with KP? It doesn't add up......

Stop bashing Rambis. Its been established that Rambis is being used as the excuse for some players unwilling to learn the triangle or participate in rigorous workout schedules.

As a point of comparison, what has Thibodeau won in Minnesota with full control and far more talent. Rambis accepted a kamikazee coaching job and has paid the price.

Wait Thibs Wolves are not Rambis wolves and I don't think you can draw a direct line between the two. Also you're totally overlooking Rambis time here as a HC which was dismal at best. The man is not a good HC or assistant coach. Even him cursing out Melo during the Half Time of that Nyets game the Knicks loss is bad coaching.

Yes holding Melo accountable for not playing defense is bad coaching. The level of putrid crap you guys are spewing is obnoxious.

I am surprised you can spell obnoxious when you obviously can't count the win losses he had as the Knicks HC and yeah yelling and cursing Melo out in front of everyone is bad coaching. I would assume you would know that but from the way your coming at me here you obviously wasn't raised well enough to know that so continue to spew your basura opinion as if its something more than that.

Quit while you are behind. Or maybe Melo has personally confided in you that Rambis never tried to Costco him in the lockerrom or in practice before trying to address it publicly? If so please share your source of information.

What are you even talking about? What does Costco him mean? Also you spelled Locker room really wrong. Its two words and one of those words is room...... Maybe if you were taking your time to write your opinion out instead of rushing to be rude to people I wouldn't consider your opinion to be trash.

I am using a phone to type so yes there are words it forms wrong from the swype type feature. As for being rude, you seem to do a pretty good job. As most Melo fans you change topics with lightning speed when Melo, defense and accountability are mentioned in the same post. I did fix my post almost immediately but never saw a response, nor was I expecting one.

Once again you sound confused. I am not a Melo fan, look at my post history. I am actually for trading him. However what is the point of that if Phil seems on the verge of moving KP or mentally tries to mess with him to the point he learns to hate the franchise? The only non petty reason to move Melo is to restart the rebuild sooner. However, Phil is coming off as hell of petty in his recent moves in regards to KP which sure does paint his back and forth with Melo in a similar light.

He isn't trying to move KP. Only report is he had a meeting with his brother to try to fix the issues. Anything else is just media fluff. For example, Longstaff was let go back at the end of the season. Phil trying to "mess" with KP is a media-driven agenda that most are just falling for.

Knixkik wrote:

wargames wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

wargames wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

wargames wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

wargames wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

wargames wrote:

mlby1215 wrote: In reading this, I　found it that the trust people have is very low. Everything good happened, like Willy, Baker, Lance and Gallo, must not relate to Phil and/or Rambis. It must be someone else. And everything bad must be Phil and/or Rambis. I mean, it is silly. Rambis has four champs. As a player he won 2, and as assistant coach won 2. He sucked because the Twolf he coached was really bad? or because of 9-21 when he was Knicks coach? I don't really get that. If win/loss can really reflect how good a coach is, then Mike Brown must be genius. Look at GSW now.

No, Rambis is notorious for being a bad coach. Also A lot of players including KP seemed to really not like him. This was leaked by multiple sources as the last two seasons have happened.

With that said I don't know what this has to do with KP..... but its definitely more smoke pointing to internal problems. Usually when there is a player on your team you value highly you keep their assistant coach. You could argue that they had always intended to let his contract expire..... but the why sent him to Latvia of all places to train with KP? It doesn't add up......

Stop bashing Rambis. Its been established that Rambis is being used as the excuse for some players unwilling to learn the triangle or participate in rigorous workout schedules.

As a point of comparison, what has Thibodeau won in Minnesota with full control and far more talent. Rambis accepted a kamikazee coaching job and has paid the price.

Wait Thibs Wolves are not Rambis wolves and I don't think you can draw a direct line between the two. Also you're totally overlooking Rambis time here as a HC which was dismal at best. The man is not a good HC or assistant coach. Even him cursing out Melo during the Half Time of that Nyets game the Knicks loss is bad coaching.

Yes holding Melo accountable for not playing defense is bad coaching. The level of putrid crap you guys are spewing is obnoxious.

I am surprised you can spell obnoxious when you obviously can't count the win losses he had as the Knicks HC and yeah yelling and cursing Melo out in front of everyone is bad coaching. I would assume you would know that but from the way your coming at me here you obviously wasn't raised well enough to know that so continue to spew your basura opinion as if its something more than that.

Quit while you are behind. Or maybe Melo has personally confided in you that Rambis never tried to Costco him in the lockerrom or in practice before trying to address it publicly? If so please share your source of information.

What are you even talking about? What does Costco him mean? Also you spelled Locker room really wrong. Its two words and one of those words is room...... Maybe if you were taking your time to write your opinion out instead of rushing to be rude to people I wouldn't consider your opinion to be trash.

I am using a phone to type so yes there are words it forms wrong from the swype type feature. As for being rude, you seem to do a pretty good job. As most Melo fans you change topics with lightning speed when Melo, defense and accountability are mentioned in the same post. I did fix my post almost immediately but never saw a response, nor was I expecting one.

Once again you sound confused. I am not a Melo fan, look at my post history. I am actually for trading him. However what is the point of that if Phil seems on the verge of moving KP or mentally tries to mess with him to the point he learns to hate the franchise? The only non petty reason to move Melo is to restart the rebuild sooner. However, Phil is coming off as hell of petty in his recent moves in regards to KP which sure does paint his back and forth with Melo in a similar light.

He isn't trying to move KP. Only report is he had a meeting with his brother to try to fix the issues. Anything else is just media fluff. For example, Longstaff was let go back at the end of the season. Phil trying to "mess" with KP is a media-driven agenda that most are just falling for.

He with the "longest staff", usually wins?

NBA does have a history of letting good coach's go if they don't have an opportunity to promote them.
Sounds silly but if they like Bliss and think he is the next to be promoted then LongStaff should be given other opportunities.
Really, Longstaff resume is not that impressive. He was a high school coach who went into sales but his former coach in college recommended him for a job as video guy in OK, and he got promoted with knicks. Im sure he did a good job, but maybe knicks want a guy like Pablo to be part of the staff as well. If he is good, he'll find other work quickly.

KP should know as a pro that players and coaches will come and go from his life. The issue of being pissed about Melo, or Longstaff seems like a stretch. The real issues I think are how he is to be used, his role on the court, and knicks plan for him. KP has played well but he has had two coach's in two years (Three with rambis)and perhaps a lack of consistency regarding the schematic of play is why he skipped the meeting. If so, while immature and not the right thing to do, it was a basketball issue and "I understand".

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Berman of the post cleared the air. Longstaff was fired long before this. Before KP skipped the meeting. Completely changes the narrative.

Link: http://nypost.com/2017/05/23/the-real-reason-behind-firing-of-a-kristaps-porzingis-favorite/

Perhaps this was part of KP's little hissy fit at exit meeting time? Not Phil being vindictive as some of you would liked?
Whats next? "Concession hot dog vender "Mike the hot dawg guy" was moved fem the lower lodge seating to the blue seats, in what is an obvious move by phil to continue to disrupt KP's pre game routine of waving to him........."
or....
"In an obvious move to shake up the culture of the garden, Lorenzo smith, one of the security guards in the parking area in the service tunnel got a new job in queens. Some garden staffers think it was a deliberate snub by phil as he did not match the raise he received. An ananomous source said "No man, "Renzo lives in queens, its like 10 minutes from his apartment and he gets to spend more time with is new baby girl!". The security guard was friendly with many of the players, including Melo who usually kept a good parking spot for him. With Lorenzo gone, its not sure if Melo will lift his NTC. Just another example of Phil being short sighted?

I actually think it may have factored into KP skipping the meeting. He clearly wouldn't agree with this. But it makes perfect sense that it happened long before it was reported.

When did KP hear about Longstaff not being renewed?

Sounds like Phil is trying to get his side of the story out with this article. This is good news because it looks like an attempt by Phil to bring the temperature down between the Knicks and Porzingis. Too many times we've seen the opposite approach, so this is a welcome development.

If the reporting was done properly then there would be no need for Phil to turn down the temperature. He has to interrupt his attention and energy that should be used for scouting and working the phones building possible trade packages or scouting players already in the NBA to see fits that other team may want to dump.

Phil didn't retain Longstaff which in Phil's eyes *will improve the Knicks* since Longstaff apparently didn't work well with the other coaches besides Bliss.

But how does any of the false narratives and negative attention created by the media *help the Knicks*??

Of course Phil had to turn down the temperature. Phil's passive aggressive tweets, unnecessary comments about players through the media. Hiring Rambis (apparently the highest paid assistant in the league), in spite of being one of the worst coaches in NBA history. His only talent seems to be pissing off players.

No other team president as far as I can tell has made things more unnecessarily complicated. From the mandated system, to antagonizing players. Chalking all this up to being the media's fault is creating a very false narrative. As I said, Phil trying to cool things down is a good thing. Hope its a change in direction.

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Berman of the post cleared the air. Longstaff was fired long before this. Before KP skipped the meeting. Completely changes the narrative.

Link: http://nypost.com/2017/05/23/the-real-reason-behind-firing-of-a-kristaps-porzingis-favorite/

Perhaps this was part of KP's little hissy fit at exit meeting time? Not Phil being vindictive as some of you would liked?
Whats next? "Concession hot dog vender "Mike the hot dawg guy" was moved fem the lower lodge seating to the blue seats, in what is an obvious move by phil to continue to disrupt KP's pre game routine of waving to him........."
or....
"In an obvious move to shake up the culture of the garden, Lorenzo smith, one of the security guards in the parking area in the service tunnel got a new job in queens. Some garden staffers think it was a deliberate snub by phil as he did not match the raise he received. An ananomous source said "No man, "Renzo lives in queens, its like 10 minutes from his apartment and he gets to spend more time with is new baby girl!". The security guard was friendly with many of the players, including Melo who usually kept a good parking spot for him. With Lorenzo gone, its not sure if Melo will lift his NTC. Just another example of Phil being short sighted?

I actually think it may have factored into KP skipping the meeting. He clearly wouldn't agree with this. But it makes perfect sense that it happened long before it was reported.

When did KP hear about Longstaff not being renewed?

Sounds like Phil is trying to get his side of the story out with this article. This is good news because it looks like an attempt by Phil to bring the temperature down between the Knicks and Porzingis. Too many times we've seen the opposite approach, so this is a welcome development.

If the reporting was done properly then there would be no need for Phil to turn down the temperature. He has to interrupt his attention and energy that should be used for scouting and working the phones building possible trade packages or scouting players already in the NBA to see fits that other team may want to dump.

Phil didn't retain Longstaff which in Phil's eyes *will improve the Knicks* since Longstaff apparently didn't work well with the other coaches besides Bliss.

But how does any of the false narratives and negative attention created by the media *help the Knicks*??

Of course Phil had to turn down the temperature. Phil's passive aggressive tweets, unnecessary comments about players through the media. Hiring Rambis (apparently the highest paid assistant in the league), in spite of being one of the worst coaches in NBA history. His only talent seems to be pissing off players.

No other team president as far as I can tell has made things more unnecessarily complicated. From the mandated system, to antagonizing players. Chalking all this up to being the media's fault is creating a very false narrative. As I said, Phil trying to cool things down is a good thing. Hope its a change in direction.

Media's job is to report the news and uncover truth. Not make **** up. In this case Berman is the only one who seems to have done did his job. Longstaff was not renewed but it was reported that he was fired. The decision to not renew Longstaff was decided before KPs exit meeting. Not to be vindictive toward KP for missing out on the exit meeting. KPs actions of missing the exit meeting created this narrative not Phil's tweeting history. The reasoning for Longstaff not being renewed was said to be because he didn't work well with other coaches on staff. Doing actual reporting work by Berman seems to have uncovered the reasoning rather then spewing out a agenda driven narrative. So Phil did not act dysfunctional but Longstaff may have caused some type of dysfunction within the coaching staff and this move might clean up some of that up.

Everything you named Phil has done at the end of the day is what he believes will help make the Knicks better. Based off his track record of dealing with personalities to championships there might be something to that. Rambis may or may not suck as a head coach since he never really had talented teams to work with. But I doubt that you can give an honest assessment of his abilities as an assistant to claim what he should or shouldn't be getting paid. .