Nalod wrote:Dave Bliss, is the coach in charge of developement.
http://www.nba.com/knicks/dave-bliss/

This guy is also from OKC.
Funny, nobody gave either of these guys any cred or props before. Now he is "one of the brightest basketball minds"?
Be interesting to see if Bliss is retained.
Im facinated by the notion that the riff is considered widened when nobody knows a thing other than Janis.

EnySpree wrote:All this drama from a 2nd year dude.... I'm not into that.

KP to sactown for #5 and 10....

No Eny! Let me argue with my orange and blue brother-
1st- I hear you- KP put on the Punky Brewster suit - if he felt the way he did-
instead of having some no risk after the season punky press move- he should have been barking from Game 20 when things started going bad- risking his bland easy early granted star **** and getting up in Rose and Melo and forcing them to connect even if he came off e=geeky of green - risk it for the win! The vets respect that- and he punked out w Janis in media...........
2nd However- It's all about his ceiling and what Phil sees- if he can really rocket we need to see it happen here. We can't let a great talent go. I love this draft class- and if Phil makes that move I'll still trust him- but I can't start screaming for it. But I hear you..............

Nalod wrote:Dave Bliss, is the coach in charge of developement.
http://www.nba.com/knicks/dave-bliss/

This guy is also from OKC.
Funny, nobody gave either of these guys any cred or props before. Now he is "one of the brightest basketball minds"?
Be interesting to see if Bliss is retained.
Im facinated by the notion that the riff is considered widened when nobody knows a thing other than Janis.

CrushAlot wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I keep thinking back to a podcast Isola did with Wojo where they talked about Fisher and what went wrong with Fish and Phil. Isola was telling Wojo that Fisher came to the knicks and was running his practices based on the OKC model. It involved small groups of players working on individual skills with coaches. There wasn't a lot of whole group drills or instruction. If I recall correctly, this was not how Phil/Rambis wanted things done and was one of the reasons that Fish was eventually let go. The two guys that did not have their contracts renewed were both from OKC. Some of this maybe more getting rid of anybody that isn't all in with the triangle. It does stink that the guys credited with being a big part of developing the young players were let go. Also, Longstaff was described as the hardest working guy on the staff and a bright, young basketball mind.

Funny enough I feel that the whole "KP asked players how their teams were run and him saying that he didn't want to come back for the triangle training camp, and wanting to be in a better team environment" are all related to this issue. He wants the Knicks to focus on player development, but Phil wants a focus on the triangle.

wargames wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

wargames wrote:

mlby1215 wrote: In reading this, I　found it that the trust people have is very low. Everything good happened, like Willy, Baker, Lance and Gallo, must not relate to Phil and/or Rambis. It must be someone else. And everything bad must be Phil and/or Rambis. I mean, it is silly. Rambis has four champs. As a player he won 2, and as assistant coach won 2. He sucked because the Twolf he coached was really bad? or because of 9-21 when he was Knicks coach? I don't really get that. If win/loss can really reflect how good a coach is, then Mike Brown must be genius. Look at GSW now.

No, Rambis is notorious for being a bad coach. Also A lot of players including KP seemed to really not like him. This was leaked by multiple sources as the last two seasons have happened.

With that said I don't know what this has to do with KP..... but its definitely more smoke pointing to internal problems. Usually when there is a player on your team you value highly you keep their assistant coach. You could argue that they had always intended to let his contract expire..... but the why sent him to Latvia of all places to train with KP? It doesn't add up......

Stop bashing Rambis. Its been established that Rambis is being used as the excuse for some players unwilling to learn the triangle or participate in rigorous workout schedules.

As a point of comparison, what has Thibodeau won in Minnesota with full control and far more talent. Rambis accepted a kamikazee coaching job and has paid the price.

Wait Thibs Wolves are not Rambis wolves and I don't think you can draw a direct line between the two. Also you're totally overlooking Rambis time here as a HC which was dismal at best. The man is not a good HC or assistant coach. Even him cursing out Melo during the Half Time of that Nyets game the Knicks loss is bad coaching.

Yes holding Melo accountable for not playing defense is bad coaching. The level of putrid crap you guys are spewing is obnoxious.

meloshouldgo wrote:

wargames wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

wargames wrote:

mlby1215 wrote: In reading this, I　found it that the trust people have is very low. Everything good happened, like Willy, Baker, Lance and Gallo, must not relate to Phil and/or Rambis. It must be someone else. And everything bad must be Phil and/or Rambis. I mean, it is silly. Rambis has four champs. As a player he won 2, and as assistant coach won 2. He sucked because the Twolf he coached was really bad? or because of 9-21 when he was Knicks coach? I don't really get that. If win/loss can really reflect how good a coach is, then Mike Brown must be genius. Look at GSW now.

No, Rambis is notorious for being a bad coach. Also A lot of players including KP seemed to really not like him. This was leaked by multiple sources as the last two seasons have happened.

With that said I don't know what this has to do with KP..... but its definitely more smoke pointing to internal problems. Usually when there is a player on your team you value highly you keep their assistant coach. You could argue that they had always intended to let his contract expire..... but the why sent him to Latvia of all places to train with KP? It doesn't add up......

Stop bashing Rambis. Its been established that Rambis is being used as the excuse for some players unwilling to learn the triangle or participate in rigorous workout schedules.

As a point of comparison, what has Thibodeau won in Minnesota with full control and far more talent. Rambis accepted a kamikazee coaching job and has paid the price.

Wait Thibs Wolves are not Rambis wolves and I don't think you can draw a direct line between the two. Also you're totally overlooking Rambis time here as a HC which was dismal at best. The man is not a good HC or assistant coach. Even him cursing out Melo during the Half Time of that Nyets game the Knicks loss is bad coaching.

Yes holding Melo accountable for not playing defense is bad coaching. The level of putrid crap you guys are spewing is obnoxious.

I am surprised you can spell obnoxious when you obviously can't count the win losses he had as the Knicks HC and yeah yelling and cursing Melo out in front of everyone is bad coaching. I would assume you would know that but from the way your coming at me here you obviously wasn't raised well enough to know that so continue to spew your basura opinion as if its something more than that.

wargames wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

wargames wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

wargames wrote:

mlby1215 wrote: In reading this, I　found it that the trust people have is very low. Everything good happened, like Willy, Baker, Lance and Gallo, must not relate to Phil and/or Rambis. It must be someone else. And everything bad must be Phil and/or Rambis. I mean, it is silly. Rambis has four champs. As a player he won 2, and as assistant coach won 2. He sucked because the Twolf he coached was really bad? or because of 9-21 when he was Knicks coach? I don't really get that. If win/loss can really reflect how good a coach is, then Mike Brown must be genius. Look at GSW now.

No, Rambis is notorious for being a bad coach. Also A lot of players including KP seemed to really not like him. This was leaked by multiple sources as the last two seasons have happened.

With that said I don't know what this has to do with KP..... but its definitely more smoke pointing to internal problems. Usually when there is a player on your team you value highly you keep their assistant coach. You could argue that they had always intended to let his contract expire..... but the why sent him to Latvia of all places to train with KP? It doesn't add up......

Stop bashing Rambis. Its been established that Rambis is being used as the excuse for some players unwilling to learn the triangle or participate in rigorous workout schedules.

As a point of comparison, what has Thibodeau won in Minnesota with full control and far more talent. Rambis accepted a kamikazee coaching job and has paid the price.

Wait Thibs Wolves are not Rambis wolves and I don't think you can draw a direct line between the two. Also you're totally overlooking Rambis time here as a HC which was dismal at best. The man is not a good HC or assistant coach. Even him cursing out Melo during the Half Time of that Nyets game the Knicks loss is bad coaching.

Yes holding Melo accountable for not playing defense is bad coaching. The level of putrid crap you guys are spewing is obnoxious.

I am surprised you can spell obnoxious when you obviously can't count the win losses he had as the Knicks HC and yeah yelling and cursing Melo out in front of everyone is bad coaching. I would assume you would know that but from the way your coming at me here you obviously wasn't raised well enough to know that so continue to spew your basura opinion as if its something more than that.

Quit while you are behind. Or maybe Melo has personally confided in you that Rambis never tried to coach him in the locker room or in practice before trying to address it publicly? If so please share your source of information.

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martin wrote:Why do folks keep saying the Knicks fired Longstaff or reference something that does? Kinda makes you look stupid. What if it's Longstaff that didn't want to come back?

Lots of reasons this didn't work out. What if this was a Jeff decision?

I find it hard to believe - well maybe not - that none of the papers dug into any of these possibilities.

Any quote from Longstaff? Any?

Yes, i'm kind of surprised no official reasoning has been named yet. The narrative seems to be that Phil fired him strictly to play tick for tack with Kristap. But I find that extremely hard to believe. I doubt Phil would just play with someones career and lively hood like that just to play mind games.

If more detailed information does come out and the separation contradicts the narrative then these writers credibility is shot. As those who have covered the story have all went full tilt on pushing the narrative above.