No to trading KP for the 1000th time. He was unhappy with this season like all of us. He will get over it.

I'd even be a bit more ambitious and try to get the Sixers pick by packaging Jaylen Brown and the 8th pick to get the 3rd pick. That would position us to get three franchise-changing talents in just two short years, which is the type of maneuvering that successful franchises always seem to do.

For the record though, I'd push my luck even further and try to trade down from 1st to SACs 5th and 10th, which could allow me to walk away with both Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum at 3rd, with Jonathan Isaac at 5th....then add my 2018 lottery pick to that mix.

STARTERS
G: Terry Rozier
10th pick in 2017
F: Josh Jackson
F: Jonathan Isaac
BKN pick in 2018

That looks very intriguing to me!

franco12 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Knicks already traded Rolo who was the kind of low post player this team hasn't seen since KT. Now you want to trade the best big man we've had since Ewing, who hasn't even entered his prime yet. Some of you guys might enjoy hitting the reset button every season, but I dont. Its beyond played out.

This is not trading Rolo - that was a bad move - what do we have to show for it? Nothing, or worse, the bad deal we handed to Noah.

We're talking about trading KP for a lottery pick this year. That isn't garbage.

I don't think Boston would trade the #1 pick this year for KP- let alone any of the other assets thrown out in the original proposal above.

But, if Boston would trade the #1 pick straight up for KP, you do it - assuming you feel that you believe Fultz or Ball are legit franchise talents.

Why I make that trade?

Betting now - is KP a franchise talent - I say no. I could be wrong, but it's a bet.

I reset things back 2 years, and now I'm adding two players this year that can perhaps be foundation franchise players.

If you're betting KP is a franchise talent, then you don't trade him.

Now - I said this in another thread, I need to see something from KP this year. He needs to bulk up, he needs to play 70 games at least. And he needs to NOT FADE after December. His 3pt shooting % has to increase a lot. And I need to see a pt different on his offense/defense #s.

If he is a franchise caliber talent, you'll see that in year three.

But otherwise, we have a really nice player. Maybe the next Kevin Love. But do you build around Kevin Love? Or With a Kevin Love?

For me, it's WITH or AROUND.

You need both, but AROUND is the harder talent to find, we we don't have that, in my evaluation.

Could KP become that? Yes, there is still time.

But gun to my head, right this moment. NO.

franco12 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Knicks already traded Rolo who was the kind of low post player this team hasn't seen since KT. Now you want to trade the best big man we've had since Ewing, who hasn't even entered his prime yet. Some of you guys might enjoy hitting the reset button every season, but I dont. Its beyond played out.

This is not trading Rolo - that was a bad move - what do we have to show for it? Nothing, or worse, the bad deal we handed to Noah.

We're talking about trading KP for a lottery pick this year. That isn't garbage.

I don't think Boston would trade the #1 pick this year for KP- let alone any of the other assets thrown out in the original proposal above.

But, if Boston would trade the #1 pick straight up for KP, you do it - assuming you feel that you believe Fultz or Ball are legit franchise talents.

Why I make that trade?

Betting now - is KP a franchise talent - I say no. I could be wrong, but it's a bet.

I reset things back 2 years, and now I'm adding two players this year that can perhaps be foundation franchise players.

If you're betting KP is a franchise talent, then you don't trade him.

Now - I said this in another thread, I need to see something from KP this year. He needs to bulk up, he needs to play 70 games at least. And he needs to NOT FADE after December. His 3pt shooting % has to increase a lot. And I need to see a pt different on his offense/defense #s.

If he is a franchise caliber talent, you'll see that in year three.

But otherwise, we have a really nice player. Maybe the next Kevin Love. But do you build around Kevin Love? Or With a Kevin Love?

For me, it's WITH or AROUND.

You need both, but AROUND is the harder talent to find, we we don't have that, in my evaluation.

Could KP become that? Yes, there is still time.

But gun to my head, right this moment. NO.

KP has broken enough NBA records in his first 2 seasons to suggest that he has the skills to be a franchise player. His numbers went up in spite of being known commodity, and spending most of his second season playing with a starting PG who almost exclusively called his own number. Not to mention playing in a dumpster fire of an offense.

Porzingis came back in better shape, bulked up some, but this isn't an overnight process. It took a few years for Dirk to develop an NBA body. Im surprised anyone could look at all the dysfunction this season, and believe the answer isnt to surround KP with better players, a more useful offense, but to trade him. Pass.

Knixkik wrote:Never did i think so many trade threads would constantly come up in KP's 2nd season. NY has a truly unique fan base.

unique is one way of putting it... more like pathetic. and we think we deserve to be good, when we have people trying to to trade the best player we've drafted since patrick ewing?