crzymdups wrote:Look if Phil trades Melo, the Knicks are losing 60+ games next year. There's just no way around it. It's Phil's genius plan. Frank can learn on the job and help get us Doncic next year. Frank and Doncic backcourt is interesting.

Disagree. We will likely win the same amount of games. Melo and Rose brought nothing to the team as far as real win value. KP and Willy will improve. This team won't be any worse, they might even be a little better.

wargames wrote:

Chandler wrote:Intrigued by Frank at sg. We need a 2 who can pass and is good w basketball decision.

Yeah, I am too. He would have good size for it, and his handle and outside shot means he would have traditional SG skills you just don't see a lot of these days. Add defense and he sounds even better.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Look if Phil trades Melo, the Knicks are losing 60+ games next year. There's just no way around it. It's Phil's genius plan. Frank can learn on the job and help get us Doncic next year. Frank and Doncic backcourt is interesting.

Hernangomez, Porzingis, Kuzminskas, Doncic and Ntilikina. I must have been sleeping, but when did America fall behind Europe in basketball training so much that the recipe for an NBA championship has become in assembling a team of young Eurostars? Is playing in a US high school or college now detrimental to an NBA career?

I think it's more due to European ball being more system oriented and they have a culture where teams tend to emphasize players with skills who play team ball. Whereas most American players tend to focus on individual accolades and Physical potential. History shows both are viable for making a championship team. Anyhow this is also the same reason the Knicks have been looking at upperclassmen who got better in their programs over time. That increase in skill is ususally due to them buying into the system more as they get older.

Anyhow that core (minus Kuz) is young and fits the Tryangle. No reason to discourage it. If it happens we'll be in a much better place a few seasons from now.

Yeah, I think Phil might stick with what has worked - and what has worked so far is that Euro players have done better in his system in New York than other players.

Doncic looks really promising.

I'm not down on Ntilikina, but I'm more intrigued by the athleticism of someone like Jonathan Isaac.

Also, at the beginning of the season OG Anonuby was very high on my draft board. I wouldn't be opposed to drafting him. Maybe even trading back a few slots for him. I've seen him slotted from 11 to 15. I think he'll be very very good. Legit NBA athletic defensive wing with playmaking and scoring potential. I like him a lot.

I honestly have no idea what to expect or hope for from this draft. We just need a player. And then we need another player in the next draft. And so on.

PhilinLA wrote:I don't like Fox for the Knicks. Which isn't to say I don't like him as a player. I do. He just needs strength work. But I think he might get into the play before KP and Willy make it up court. I like Ball or Frank. And I've seen Frank show passing skill, and I love the way he gets after it on D. I also think we might be adding another first round pick somewhere from a trade, and that could get us the young 2 r 3 we'll need.

Btw, I also don't like Josh Jackson, who reminds me of Kenny Walker, or Isaac who I don't think is worthy of moving KP off the 4.

agree with all this

WaltLongmire wrote:

anrst wrote:

PhilinLA wrote:I don't like Fox for the Knicks. Which isn't to say I don't like him as a player. I do. He just needs strength work. But I think he might get into the play before KP and Willy make it up court. I like Ball or Frank. And I've seen Frank show passing skill, and I love the way he gets after it on D. I also think we might be adding another first round pick somewhere from a trade, and that could get us the young 2 r 3 we'll need.

Btw, I also don't like Josh Jackson, who reminds me of Kenny Walker, or Isaac who I don't think is worthy of moving KP off the 4.

agree with all this

The curse of the 18/19 yr old 1&done player or a very young Euro... you have to imagine how their bodies and their skills are going to develop.

I still see Isaac as a 3, and his frame would be less of an issue, there. Would be very happy with him, and he could be a true glue guy on D...potentially a Rodman-like player on that end if he stops growing and keeps his weight at the 220-230 range.

Ball actually needs a lot of work on his upper body strength. Two things surprise me about his father's influence on him...little weight training, and he let him develop that jump shot he has. The court vision he has is amazing though, and I see him as a guy who would have no problems being a J Kidd type player as a leader on offense.

I think Phil wants Ntilikina at this point, and I think folks are downplaying his athleticism because they equate being an "athlete" with 40+" vertical leaping ability.

We will see...maybe we luck out an move up and have even more choices to pick from.

Yeah, I agree that I slot Isaac as a three. But I like the potential to play "small ball" with Kp at the 5 and Isaac at the 4. Normal alignments, I'd have KP 4 and Isaac 3.

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

anrst wrote:

PhilinLA wrote:I don't like Fox for the Knicks. Which isn't to say I don't like him as a player. I do. He just needs strength work. But I think he might get into the play before KP and Willy make it up court. I like Ball or Frank. And I've seen Frank show passing skill, and I love the way he gets after it on D. I also think we might be adding another first round pick somewhere from a trade, and that could get us the young 2 r 3 we'll need.

Btw, I also don't like Josh Jackson, who reminds me of Kenny Walker, or Isaac who I don't think is worthy of moving KP off the 4.

agree with all this

The curse of the 18/19 yr old 1&done player or a very young Euro... you have to imagine how their bodies and their skills are going to develop.

I still see Isaac as a 3, and his frame would be less of an issue, there. Would be very happy with him, and he could be a true glue guy on D...potentially a Rodman-like player on that end if he stops growing and keeps his weight at the 220-230 range.

Ball actually needs a lot of work on his upper body strength. Two things surprise me about his father's influence on him...little weight training, and he let him develop that jump shot he has. The court vision he has is amazing though, and I see him as a guy who would have no problems being a J Kidd type player as a leader on offense.

I think Phil wants Ntilikina at this point, and I think folks are downplaying his athleticism because they equate being an "athlete" with 40+" vertical leaping ability.

We will see...maybe we luck out an move up and have even more choices to pick from.

Yeah, I agree that I slot Isaac as a three. But I like the potential to play "small ball" with Kp at the 5 and Isaac at the 4. Normal alignments, I'd have KP 4 and Isaac 3.

I sometimes forget how the game has changed...Not much post play by PF's for the most part...Much more likely that a 225 lb Isaac could play the 4 now as a good perimeter defender, and someone able to out-quick many who now play the stretch 4.

I just think he will be gone by 7. Hopefully, we luck out when the balls are drawn, so we don't depend as much on what the teams picking ahead of us do.

I still see Philly as a wild card...because I feel Monk is the perfect player for them at this point. This pushes others I like back.

Just have to wait and see.

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

anrst wrote:

PhilinLA wrote:I don't like Fox for the Knicks. Which isn't to say I don't like him as a player. I do. He just needs strength work. But I think he might get into the play before KP and Willy make it up court. I like Ball or Frank. And I've seen Frank show passing skill, and I love the way he gets after it on D. I also think we might be adding another first round pick somewhere from a trade, and that could get us the young 2 r 3 we'll need.

Btw, I also don't like Josh Jackson, who reminds me of Kenny Walker, or Isaac who I don't think is worthy of moving KP off the 4.

agree with all this

The curse of the 18/19 yr old 1&done player or a very young Euro... you have to imagine how their bodies and their skills are going to develop.

I still see Isaac as a 3, and his frame would be less of an issue, there. Would be very happy with him, and he could be a true glue guy on D...potentially a Rodman-like player on that end if he stops growing and keeps his weight at the 220-230 range.

Ball actually needs a lot of work on his upper body strength. Two things surprise me about his father's influence on him...little weight training, and he let him develop that jump shot he has. The court vision he has is amazing though, and I see him as a guy who would have no problems being a J Kidd type player as a leader on offense.

I think Phil wants Ntilikina at this point, and I think folks are downplaying his athleticism because they equate being an "athlete" with 40+" vertical leaping ability.

We will see...maybe we luck out an move up and have even more choices to pick from.

Yeah, I agree that I slot Isaac as a three. But I like the potential to play "small ball" with Kp at the 5 and Isaac at the 4. Normal alignments, I'd have KP 4 and Isaac 3.

In some ways, if we had them, Isaac and KP would basically mature into the 4 & 5 positions, respectively, down the line.

I sometimes forget how the game has changed...Not much post play by PF's for the most part...Much more likely that a 225 lb Isaac could play the 4 now as a good perimeter defender, and someone able to out-quick many who now play the stretch 4.

I just think he will be gone by 7. Hopefully, we luck out when the balls are drawn, so we don't depend as much on what the teams picking ahead of us do.

I still see Philly as a wild card...because I feel Monk is the perfect player for them at this point. This pushes others I like back.

Just have to wait and see.

Yeah, if Philly somehow gets the Lakers pick (if it's bumped out of the top three), I could see them taking Monk. I could even see them taking Monk at 4/5 no matter what, because he's a perfect shooter next to Ben Simmons.

I have no idea what Orlando or Minnesota might do. They're the wildcards to me because they could take Tatum, Isaac... or something I have no concept of... I don't see Orlando or Minnesota taking Fox though, with Minnie having Dunn and Rubio and Orlando having Peyton who is similar to Fox. So maybe Fox somehow gets bumped down to us? Hard to say. Yeah, it's all academic for now.

I'm still high on Fox so if he dropped that would be GREAT! If not I like Isaac.