fishmike wrote:So we start with an article from the Post. Then a sentence later we learn that Phil Jackson would trade KD, Curry, or even Labron for Ron Baker if Baker was a better fit in the shanannings offense. Well that escalated quickly!

Could be a looooong offseason.

LMAO

fwk00 wrote:

fishmike wrote:So we start with an article from the Post. Then a sentence later we learn that Phil Jackson would trade KD, Curry, or even Labron for Ron Baker if Baker was a better fit in the shanannings offense. Well that escalated quickly!

Could be a looooong offseason.

LMAO

I could imagine Phil cringing every time Curry steps across the half court line and launches a 3.Thats a triangle sin.. He already thinks the 3 ball are cheap lazy shots

mlby1215 wrote:If they are that good should we trade them back now? We can give up what we have now to bring them back actually. KP plus Willy plus picks should be enough.

Shockingly, I think of both Z Bo and Crawford - and how they would have been starters for us this year.

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:If they are that good should we trade them back now? We can give up what we have now to bring them back actually. KP plus Willy plus picks should be enough.

Shockingly, I think of both Z Bo and Crawford - and how they would have been starters for us this year.

which would have accomplished what?

solid veterans on the roster with some value

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:If they are that good should we trade them back now? We can give up what we have now to bring them back actually. KP plus Willy plus picks should be enough.

Shockingly, I think of both Z Bo and Crawford - and how they would have been starters for us this year.

which would have accomplished what?

solid veterans on the roster with some value

If you good with numbers, then look at their salary then subtract whose place they take.
Better yet, go back and reconstruct the team before before it was decided to make a run for Lebron?

Zbo was the same guy here? Mature and devoted to his craft? Did knicks have an in prime Marc Gasol and Michael Conley as a base as well? These guys on the same team now for years!!!!
Numbers don't like, but deleting facts does.

A lot change's if JC and ZBO were not traded, their certainly wouldn't be no Amare, we would still have gallo,and chandler.. Probably would have traded for a real pg instead of Melo.

franco12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:If they are that good should we trade them back now? We can give up what we have now to bring them back actually. KP plus Willy plus picks should be enough.

Shockingly, I think of both Z Bo and Crawford - and how they would have been starters for us this year.

which would have accomplished what?

solid veterans on the roster with some value

If you good with numbers, then look at their salary then subtract whose place they take.
Better yet, go back and reconstruct the team before before it was decided to make a run for Lebron?

Zbo was the same guy here? Mature and devoted to his craft? Did knicks have an in prime Marc Gasol and Michael Conley as a base as well? These guys on the same team now for years!!!!
Numbers don't like, but deleting facts does.

A lot change's if JC and ZBO were not traded, their certainly wouldn't be no Amare, we would still have gallo,and chandler.. Probably would have traded for a real pg instead of Melo.

When we traded guys away to make our Lebron run - we gave up assets, made bad deals just to try to be in a position to go after Lebron. That was the start of digging the hole on the franchise, and it's a hole we're still in.

I don't know that we would be better if we hadn't made some of those moves, kept guys like Zach & Crawford.

But I feel like Phil's decision to build with triangles and trade Melo and interfere with how Jeff want's to coach has the same feel to making moves that negatively impact our franchise.

We overpaid for assets in the Isiah era. Because of bad play and other factors (Zbo was awful here) they were removed for less than their eventual fair market. Thus we bought high and sold low. Melo was purchased at MSRP, and performed up to his contract and projections. Yes, Im not blaming him. But, you pay high and sell low you end up with depleted assets.
Phil in 3 years dismantled a 37 win team that was floundering enroute to a 17 win season. The common Phil hate mantra is he somehow created this problem. Not at all true. This problem was build over a long period of time. Trade a first round pick for Bargnani? Thnk that has no effect? Numbers don't lie, but also numbers that don't exist need to speak their truth.

Connecting the dots lie.
Knicks 1248 lies.

The Knicks record speaks for itself.

Tim Hardaway Jr: 4-18 shooting, 13pts
Calderon: 2-4 shooting, 6 points
Lopez- 10pts 5rebs
J Grant: 4pts 0 assists
Felton: 1-4 shooting, 2pts, 1 assist

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:If they are that good should we trade them back now? We can give up what we have now to bring them back actually. KP plus Willy plus picks should be enough.

Shockingly, I think of both Z Bo and Crawford - and how they would have been starters for us this year.

which would have accomplished what?

solid veterans on the roster with some value

If you good with numbers, then look at their salary then subtract whose place they take.
Better yet, go back and reconstruct the team before before it was decided to make a run for Lebron?

Zbo was the same guy here? Mature and devoted to his craft? Did knicks have an in prime Marc Gasol and Michael Conley as a base as well? These guys on the same team now for years!!!!
Numbers don't like, but deleting facts does.

A lot change's if JC and ZBO were not traded, their certainly wouldn't be no Amare, we would still have gallo,and chandler.. Probably would have traded for a real pg instead of Melo.

When we traded guys away to make our Lebron run - we gave up assets, made bad deals just to try to be in a position to go after Lebron. That was the start of digging the hole on the franchise, and it's a hole we're still in.

I don't know that we would be better if we hadn't made some of those moves, kept guys like Zach & Crawford.

But I feel like Phil's decision to build with triangles and trade Melo and interfere with how Jeff want's to coach has the same feel to making moves that negatively impact our franchise.

We overpaid for assets in the Isiah era. Because of bad play and other factors (Zbo was awful here) they were removed for less than their eventual fair market. Thus we bought high and sold low. Melo was purchased at MSRP, and performed up to his contract and projections. Yes, Im not blaming him. But, you pay high and sell low you end up with depleted assets.
Phil in 3 years dismantled a 37 win team that was floundering enroute to a 17 win season. The common Phil hate mantra is he somehow created this problem. Not at all true. This problem was build over a long period of time. Trade a first round pick for Bargnani? Thnk that has no effect? Numbers don't lie, but also numbers that don't exist need to speak their truth.

Connecting the dots lie.
Knicks 1248 lies.

The Knicks record speaks for itself.

you call a team that won 70% of their final 21 games, and had been hammered by injuries all season long, floundering..

Guys were traded because they could not fit the system and phil never gave it a 2nd thought.... period

Yes, that team was floundering. Injuries matter. The core of that team are role players elsewhere. Here they were founding on expiring contracts, or had little trade value.
Next to Lebron and two other all stars, they did well.
Jordans/Phil's last year in Chicago might have been a premature teardown. Knicks teardown? Naw, the 17win team started awful. Blame the triangle. OK, team raised the bar and its the triangles fault. Blame must be assigned. Guess what, Knicks for years mismanaged its talent acquisition. It added up.