matt wrote:Building up the Dleague team is neat and fun, but he's the President of the New York Knicks, not the Westchester Knicks. The dleague is almost useless. Nobody is banging on the door to sign Ron Baker or Plumlee or Randle or Travis Wear or Galloway or... Jimmer... uh... it's hard to remember how many d-league studs the knicks have had. I will get back to you as soon as they can be tracked down.

Our young talent is KP and Hernangomez _that's it_ and Phil's pissing one of them off pretty nicely.

Phil has had 3 summers to "turn it around" and it's only gotten worse and more circus-like. I seriously don't understand defending Phil at this point. It's okay to not like him as the Knicks GM/Preident.

Disagree about Baker. Believe he will catch on somewhere as a bench player, and do well. That is if he doesn't stay in NY.

To your last point. If Phil decided to find a quality GM. One who just doesn't do "paperwork". A GM who will tell Phil to put down the bong (diplomatically) when he comes up with some of these trades, the team would be much better off.

Let Phil focus on turning the Knicks into one of the best run organizations in the league. Phil should see it as his next challenge. Because too much of him still wishes he could be part of the game.

Its time for Phil to let it go and be the best team president he can. The most impactful way he can do that is to hire the best GM he can, and let Jeff run the team any way he wants. That's what most team presidents do.

Not calling for Phil to be fired, just want him to focus mainly on revamping the front office. Thats where he can do the most good as an exec, and leave a legacy he can be proud of.

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

matt wrote:Building up the Dleague team is neat and fun, but he's the President of the New York Knicks, not the Westchester Knicks. The dleague is almost useless. Nobody is banging on the door to sign Ron Baker or Plumlee or Randle or Travis Wear or Galloway or... Jimmer... uh... it's hard to remember how many d-league studs the knicks have had. I will get back to you as soon as they can be tracked down.

Our young talent is KP and Hernangomez _that's it_ and Phil's pissing one of them off pretty nicely.

Phil has had 3 summers to "turn it around" and it's only gotten worse and more circus-like. I seriously don't understand defending Phil at this point. It's okay to not like him as the Knicks GM/Preident.

Disagree about Baker. Believe he will catch on somewhere as a bench player, and do well. That is if he doesn't stay in NY.

To your last point. If Phil decided to find a quality GM. One who just doesn't do "paperwork". A GM who will tell Phil to put down the bong (diplomatically) when he comes up with some of these trades, the team would be much better off.

Let Phil focus on turning the Knicks into one of the best run organizations in the league. Phil should see it as his next challenge. Because too much of him still wishes he could be part of the game.

Its time for Phil to let it go and be the best team president he can. The most impactful way he can do that is to hire the best GM he can, and let Jeff run the team any way he wants. That's what most team presidents do.

Not calling for Phil to be fired, just want him to focus mainly on revamping the front office. Thats where he can do the most good as an exec, and leave a legacy he can be proud of.

it sad when were looking guys like Baker and randle as players that will take us to the next level

Runs the gamut here. Some picks, signings, are treated like stars without really deserving it. Some bench players who have shown that they can be good role players in time are talked down. Because they dont play like starters, right out of the gate.

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

matt wrote:Building up the Dleague team is neat and fun, but he's the President of the New York Knicks, not the Westchester Knicks. The dleague is almost useless. Nobody is banging on the door to sign Ron Baker or Plumlee or Randle or Travis Wear or Galloway or... Jimmer... uh... it's hard to remember how many d-league studs the knicks have had. I will get back to you as soon as they can be tracked down.

Our young talent is KP and Hernangomez _that's it_ and Phil's pissing one of them off pretty nicely.

Phil has had 3 summers to "turn it around" and it's only gotten worse and more circus-like. I seriously don't understand defending Phil at this point. It's okay to not like him as the Knicks GM/Preident.

Disagree about Baker. Believe he will catch on somewhere as a bench player, and do well. That is if he doesn't stay in NY.

To your last point. If Phil decided to find a quality GM. One who just doesn't do "paperwork". A GM who will tell Phil to put down the bong (diplomatically) when he comes up with some of these trades, the team would be much better off.

Let Phil focus on turning the Knicks into one of the best run organizations in the league. Phil should see it as his next challenge. Because too much of him still wishes he could be part of the game.

Its time for Phil to let it go and be the best team president he can. The most impactful way he can do that is to hire the best GM he can, and let Jeff run the team any way he wants. That's what most team presidents do.

Not calling for Phil to be fired, just want him to focus mainly on revamping the front office. Thats where he can do the most good as an exec, and leave a legacy he can be proud of.

it sad when were looking guys like Baker and randle as players that will take us to the next level

I call straight BS on this post. Who has said that? Next level? Come on man

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

matt wrote:Building up the Dleague team is neat and fun, but he's the President of the New York Knicks, not the Westchester Knicks. The dleague is almost useless. Nobody is banging on the door to sign Ron Baker or Plumlee or Randle or Travis Wear or Galloway or... Jimmer... uh... it's hard to remember how many d-league studs the knicks have had. I will get back to you as soon as they can be tracked down.

Our young talent is KP and Hernangomez _that's it_ and Phil's pissing one of them off pretty nicely.

Phil has had 3 summers to "turn it around" and it's only gotten worse and more circus-like. I seriously don't understand defending Phil at this point. It's okay to not like him as the Knicks GM/Preident.

Disagree about Baker. Believe he will catch on somewhere as a bench player, and do well. That is if he doesn't stay in NY.

To your last point. If Phil decided to find a quality GM. One who just doesn't do "paperwork". A GM who will tell Phil to put down the bong (diplomatically) when he comes up with some of these trades, the team would be much better off.

Let Phil focus on turning the Knicks into one of the best run organizations in the league. Phil should see it as his next challenge. Because too much of him still wishes he could be part of the game.

Its time for Phil to let it go and be the best team president he can. The most impactful way he can do that is to hire the best GM he can, and let Jeff run the team any way he wants. That's what most team presidents do.

Not calling for Phil to be fired, just want him to focus mainly on revamping the front office. Thats where he can do the most good as an exec, and leave a legacy he can be proud of.

it sad when were looking guys like Baker and randle as players that will take us to the next level

I call straight BS on this post. Who has said that? Next level? Come on man

This is the problem with a lot of Knicks Fans. There's no sense of reason regarding this team.
If we got rid of Phil it wouldn't guarantee immediate change in the team's fortunes. This is a long term problem that Phil tried to find a quick fix for but now it's clear that couldn't be done.

So now Phil has to focus on the only successful part of his work. YOUTH! This is how Phil can build for success LONG TERM! His Principles of Defense, Ball and Player Movement will find more receptiveness with the younger talent which has been proven already.

Only KP seems to have been infected with the attitudes of the Vets which is RESISTANT to Phil's Principles and need to go. We don't need these kids learning the wrong things from selfish vets!!!

fishmike wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2705408-kristaps-porzingis-absolutely-wants-to-stay-with-knicks-talks-on-phil-jackson

As a player who wants to be leader someday—when I saw things we need to change and be better at—I tried to speak up in the locker room. But there are many players used to playing this kind of basketball for more than ten years so you can’t change them. Coaches can try but it is what it is.

In a one way this was a good year for me to see how can I handle so crappy a time and learn from that. It was unpleasant but valuable experience to learn from, to get through it and continue to play with the right attitude and maximum concentration. If you want to be a leader you have to start with yourself — first you have to look in the mirror and ask yourself: what can you do better? And only then tell your teammates what they should do better…a real test for the brains.

This is why Phil has to get rid of RESISTANT VETS! This team needs players that actually LISTEN and give max effort on both ends. All the drama will calm down once we clean out the guys that simply refuse to buy in.

fishmike wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2705408-kristaps-porzingis-absolutely-wants-to-stay-with-knicks-talks-on-phil-jackson

As a player who wants to be leader someday—when I saw things we need to change and be better at—I tried to speak up in the locker room. But there are many players used to playing this kind of basketball for more than ten years so you can’t change them. Coaches can try but it is what it is.

In a one way this was a good year for me to see how can I handle so crappy a time and learn from that. It was unpleasant but valuable experience to learn from, to get through it and continue to play with the right attitude and maximum concentration. If you want to be a leader you have to start with yourself — first you have to look in the mirror and ask yourself: what can you do better? And only then tell your teammates what they should do better…a real test for the brains.

I read this and remain perplexed as to why KP liked Melo's post that was post-Phil-press- conference, and why he blew off the exit interview. There is an untold story here. KP had some odd tweets and other comments this year. All in all, KP seems like a super smart guy so his behavior is befuddling. I don't buy that this is simply Melo and Rose rubbing off -- his quote above seems consistent with Phils criticism that you can't change a tiger's stripes.

Just like we didn't know about the locker room blow up, I have a strange suspicion there is more dysfunction than we know. My own guess is KP heard that Phil wants Melo out of town and that he is considering keeping Rose, and KP must have a strong feeling that that is exactly backwards. If you're keeping one keep Melo because he's his mentor, and get rid of Rose because he's too selfish with the ball (plus Awol and perhaps reserved in the locker room)

CrushAlot wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

matt wrote:Building up the Dleague team is neat and fun, but he's the President of the New York Knicks, not the Westchester Knicks. The dleague is almost useless. Nobody is banging on the door to sign Ron Baker or Plumlee or Randle or Travis Wear or Galloway or... Jimmer... uh... it's hard to remember how many d-league studs the knicks have had. I will get back to you as soon as they can be tracked down.

Our young talent is KP and Hernangomez _that's it_ and Phil's pissing one of them off pretty nicely.

Phil has had 3 summers to "turn it around" and it's only gotten worse and more circus-like. I seriously don't understand defending Phil at this point. It's okay to not like him as the Knicks GM/Preident.

Disagree about Baker. Believe he will catch on somewhere as a bench player, and do well. That is if he doesn't stay in NY.

To your last point. If Phil decided to find a quality GM. One who just doesn't do "paperwork". A GM who will tell Phil to put down the bong (diplomatically) when he comes up with some of these trades, the team would be much better off.

Let Phil focus on turning the Knicks into one of the best run organizations in the league. Phil should see it as his next challenge. Because too much of him still wishes he could be part of the game.

Its time for Phil to let it go and be the best team president he can. The most impactful way he can do that is to hire the best GM he can, and let Jeff run the team any way he wants. That's what most team presidents do.

Not calling for Phil to be fired, just want him to focus mainly on revamping the front office. Thats where he can do the most good as an exec, and leave a legacy he can be proud of.

Great post. I agree. I am really concerned about Phil's desire to mentor/coach versus working on becoming a better executive or making the front office better.

If Phil wanted my advice he would mentor Hornacek on coaching -- how to do whatever psychology to keep players motivated; in game adjustments (e.g., sitting under-perfrmers vs letting them play through mistakes)
He would also mentor on system -- teach Hornancek what he thinks is particularly important about triangle, and Horny can tell him how he's modernizing

All of that though, IMO, should be away from the players. It sends a weird signal otherwise, as if Phil doesn't trust Horny. It's fine for Phil to sit in on practices, even to discuss game plans with Horny, player development etc. Phil was not brought here as a contracts, number cruncher. He was brought here because he has a great basketball mind. However he has to avoid stepping on the court unless he is asked by a player or coach to do so -- otherwise it seems to undermine.

And for all of those saying let Horny be Horny and Phil should stay out -don't be a dodo. Again Phil was put here because he knows basketball. Phil has a lot to teach a coach and Horny seems smart enough to know this and secure enough in his own abilities to accept input. (Unlike Fisher who was an insecure ding dong -- more interested in acting the part than in learning from a great)

And I agree with others that the team needs a GM who contributes. I am clueless what our current GM does

Chandler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

matt wrote:Building up the Dleague team is neat and fun, but he's the President of the New York Knicks, not the Westchester Knicks. The dleague is almost useless. Nobody is banging on the door to sign Ron Baker or Plumlee or Randle or Travis Wear or Galloway or... Jimmer... uh... it's hard to remember how many d-league studs the knicks have had. I will get back to you as soon as they can be tracked down.

Our young talent is KP and Hernangomez _that's it_ and Phil's pissing one of them off pretty nicely.

Phil has had 3 summers to "turn it around" and it's only gotten worse and more circus-like. I seriously don't understand defending Phil at this point. It's okay to not like him as the Knicks GM/Preident.

Disagree about Baker. Believe he will catch on somewhere as a bench player, and do well. That is if he doesn't stay in NY.

To your last point. If Phil decided to find a quality GM. One who just doesn't do "paperwork". A GM who will tell Phil to put down the bong (diplomatically) when he comes up with some of these trades, the team would be much better off.

Let Phil focus on turning the Knicks into one of the best run organizations in the league. Phil should see it as his next challenge. Because too much of him still wishes he could be part of the game.

Its time for Phil to let it go and be the best team president he can. The most impactful way he can do that is to hire the best GM he can, and let Jeff run the team any way he wants. That's what most team presidents do.

Not calling for Phil to be fired, just want him to focus mainly on revamping the front office. Thats where he can do the most good as an exec, and leave a legacy he can be proud of.

Great post. I agree. I am really concerned about Phil's desire to mentor/coach versus working on becoming a better executive or making the front office better.

If Phil wanted my advice he would mentor Hornacek on coaching -- how to do whatever psychology to keep players motivated; in game adjustments (e.g., sitting under-perfrmers vs letting them play through mistakes)
He would also mentor on system -- teach Hornancek what he thinks is particularly important about triangle, and Horny can tell him how he's modernizing

All of that though, IMO, should be away from the players. It sends a weird signal otherwise, as if Phil doesn't trust Horny. It's fine for Phil to sit in on practices, even to discuss game plans with Horny, player development etc. Phil was not brought here as a contracts, number cruncher. He was brought here because he has a great basketball mind. However he has to avoid stepping on the court unless he is asked by a player or coach to do so -- otherwise it seems to undermine.

And for all of those saying let Horny be Horny and Phil should stay out -don't be a dodo. Again Phil was put here because he knows basketball. Phil has a lot to teach a coach and Horny seems smart enough to know this and secure enough in his own abilities to accept input. (Unlike Fisher who was an insecure ding dong -- more interested in acting the part than in learning from a great)

And I agree with others that the team needs a GM who contributes. I am clueless what our current GM does

Hey Tweety, whats the record of the coaches in Phil Jackson's coaching tree? Pretty sure the one season in Phoenix where Hornacek didnt have to deal with mgmt interference, he had a better winning pct than all of them. When mgmt lets him coach, Jeff had the team competing in a tough Western conference. Former players said that the subsequent losing was because of mgmt. interference, not the coach.

No one said that Phil cant give Hornacek advice, but this is well beyond that. Its coaching by proxy.
Phil can help Jeff without dictating the offense and its implimentation.

CrushAlot wrote:

Chandler wrote:

fishmike wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2705408-kristaps-porzingis-absolutely-wants-to-stay-with-knicks-talks-on-phil-jackson

As a player who wants to be leader someday—when I saw things we need to change and be better at—I tried to speak up in the locker room. But there are many players used to playing this kind of basketball for more than ten years so you can’t change them. Coaches can try but it is what it is.

In a one way this was a good year for me to see how can I handle so crappy a time and learn from that. It was unpleasant but valuable experience to learn from, to get through it and continue to play with the right attitude and maximum concentration. If you want to be a leader you have to start with yourself — first you have to look in the mirror and ask yourself: what can you do better? And only then tell your teammates what they should do better…a real test for the brains.

I read this and remain perplexed as to why KP liked Melo's post that was post-Phil-press- conference, and why he blew off the exit interview. There is an untold story here. KP had some odd tweets and other comments this year. All in all, KP seems like a super smart guy so his behavior is befuddling. I don't buy that this is simply Melo and Rose rubbing off -- his quote above seems consistent with Phils criticism that you can't change a tiger's stripes.

Just like we didn't know about the locker room blow up, I have a strange suspicion there is more dysfunction than we know. My own guess is KP heard that Phil wants Melo out of town and that he is considering keeping Rose, and KP must have a strong feeling that that is exactly backwards. If you're keeping one keep Melo because he's his mentor, and get rid of Rose because he's too selfish with the ball (plus Awol and perhaps reserved in the locker room)

That is an interesting idea about Rose/Melo. Phil did resign Melo but he has been very reluctant to give him credit and seemed to want to move out any player that he didn't bring in. He brought in Rose so maybe he wants to try to make that work. Rose also lines up nicely as the topic for next year's press conference either as the injury that held the Knicks back or the player that sabotaged the triangle.

This does seem plausible and would also supply support to why Noah was needed more. I believe KP said something along the lines that he told players and coaches what to do.

Even thinking about bringing back Rose would be dumb so there should not be any rumors this summer about bringing him back. Of they do try to bring Rose back it will be telling.